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A call to SF Anons to protest human trafficking

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Anonymous, Apr 7, 2012.

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Should we raid on this issue?

Yes 11 vote(s) 64.7%
No 4 vote(s) 23.5%
Not sure 2 vote(s) 11.8%
  1. Anonymous Member

    SF Anons:

    Here's a NYT article from March 16 about the sex trafficking market. San Francisco is one of the biggest centers for sex trade in the United States so, if a raid is going to start somewhere, it might as well begin here.

    First things first. Vote on the idea, as a general concept.

    If there's enough anon support for this kind of movement/raid, we can start talking about the logistics. Individual locations to raid (City Hall? BART stations? I'm sure there are others), or maybe we can make a parade out of this. Pamphlets/fliers? Petitions? When and where? These are all things to discuss when the time comes.

    So before we get into the the tactical considerations, let's just have a vote. Carry on!
  2. Anonymous Member

    Not in favor of sex trafficking, but wondering where this effort comes from.
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  3. Raid what? Police are trying to stamp sex trafficking out but you are talking about organised crime, triads, mafia shit like that, a bit of dancing in masks handing out fliers ain't going to do jack!
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  4. Anonymous Member

    I'm not talking about kamikaze missions into the Tenderloin. I'm talking about focusing on parties with both the motive and the power to make changes happen. Politicians. And all who work for Them.

    This is where we currently stand, according to New American Media (http://newamericamedia.org/2012/02/how-lakireddy-case-spurred-california-sex-trafficking-laws.php)

    Here's an excerpt:

    The media circus that resulted as the sex trafficking case broke in early 2000, with daily outraged headlines about Lakireddy’s “sex slaves,” started a statewide conversation that led directly to the passage in 2005 of Assembly Bill 22, California’s first law setting higher criminal penalties for human trafficking.

    This year’s campaign to get tougher anti-trafficking laws on the November ballot as a voter initiative is the latest attempt to deal with what proponents call the unfinished business of legal reform.

    Former Assemblywoman Sally Lieber, the chief sponsor of the 2005 state law, said the Lakireddy case “was confirmation of what the problem was,” and “was definitely on our minds” when she and colleagues in the Legislature drafted the law. The final version established human trafficking for forced labor or services as a felony, punishable by a sentence of 3, 4 or 5 years (depending on severity of the case) in state prison for trafficking of an adult, and a sentence of 4, 6 or 8 years for trafficking of a minor.

    The minimum sentence for trafficking at the state, federal, and international levels needs to be discussed. On May 12, Obama issued a document concerning accomplishments with respect to human trafficking. I found this DOJ prosecution success story particularly disturbing:

    U.S. v. Mozie, et al. (S.D. Fla.) – DOJ secured the conviction of three defendants on charges relating to their sex trafficking of minors. Two of the defendants, a common-law husband and wife, acted as pimps and prostituted adults and minors out of a house near Ft. Lauderdale, Florida, at which the third defendant provided security. Defendant Mozie would “initiate” the minor victims by engaging in sexual intercourse with them. At least four minor girls between the ages of 13-17 were identified as victims. Defendant Laschell “Shelly” Harris was sentenced to 13 years in prison. Defendant Willie David Rice, who provided security, was sentenced to four years in prison. Sentencing for Mozie is scheduled for 2012.
  5. grebe Member

    Do you think that if we just shot all the adults involved with children who were having sex for money that "human trafficking" would be reduced?
  6. Anonymous Member

    Sounds like <Demand would lead to <Supply, would lead to <?, would lead to <PROFIT!

    So yeah, going all killtacular on them would do the trick.

    But don't forget about unintended consequences. Demand for coffins goes up, demand for wood goes up, deforestation happens. Don't shoot 'em. For the leaves, man.
  7. Anonymous Member

    Heh! OSA looking to paint Anon being opposed to Village Voice.
  8. anon walker Moderator

    When people raid Scientology, Inc. they are protesting human trafficking.
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  9. n3uromanc3r Member

    I guess you can make that comparison.

    I'll make this comparison:

    100,000-200,000 Scientologists worldwide
    2.4 million trafficking victims at any given time (including child soldiers and sex slaves)

    You do the math.
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  10. Anonymous Member

    If you really want to know: the effort comes from having had an ex-girlfriend who was kidnapped and made into a sex slave. Watching and trying to help her through flashbacks and dissociative states made me see what these atrocities do to victims. So I did my research, and here we are.
  11. Like I've said before, human trafficking is the realm of organised crime, Chinese, east European, west African etc etc, you take your pick, authorities all round the world have been trying to stamp it out but fear and secrecy hinders the fight. To protest in masks aiming at politicians and all that work for them would definitely be to define the phrase barking up the wrong tree!

    If you want to protest against human trafficking then find your nearest Triad HQ or Russian mafia mansion and mask up, good luck with that though!!!!!
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  12. Anonymous Member

    Congress is not too afraid to pass legislation of this kind. This kind of legislation would help. It would only require negligible resources. Legislation of this kind should happen.
  13. Anonymous Member

    This is pure politics. This is like seeing the Youth for Human Rights banner and support it without looking into anything, even though other people say that's a bad organisation.

    This is really about elimination of prostitution (and most of the activitists will go against porn after that). Sex workers will plead that it's their human rights to work safely, as the recent legislation in Canada supports.

    Failing the above, they use the human trafficking banner to hide what they wants. Closing down all adult classified.

    Like SOPA etc, it isn't possible. Classified is the bread and butter of many local newspapers. Then those classified went onto the net. They used a distorted story to close down the adult session of Craigslist. Then those ads went on to Backpages, same owner of Village Voice. Well before Craigslist, there are many online sites specialise in adult advertising. And they are still big businesses. They can shut down Backages and Craigslists because they are vulnerable with non-adult contents. The specialised sites are untouchable. Try to find these guy to protest!

    My argument is, the ads will still be on the other sites. Sites like Backages are cooperating with LE to fight trafficking. The revenue actually goes back to the community like having a good newspaper. Profits on the specialised sites just go back to pimps.

    The NYT story is basically distorted and some are false without fact checking. It is like reading Scientology press releases, and how they use politicians and apologetics to support their cause.

    They always use ONE distorted story to generate uproar. Without establishing a pattern, and without the honest truth, there cannot be effective solutions. They have something to hide.

    Backages and Craigslists have hotlines like procedures to work with LE. Other adult only sites do not.

    If you have doubts about the effectiveness of closing down Backpages, you should base your opinion on "freedom of expression". Many unfortunate souls are depending on Backpages to carry on their lives.
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  14. Anonymous Member

    The ads wouldn't have to go away--we just need to discourage potential buyers from buying.

    Consider this chain of events:

    Government raises penalties against human traffickers caught. This makes some traffickers leave the market. This lowers supply, so traffickers have to pay more. To cover their costs, they have to raise prices to clients. Jon Doe is on Craigslist looking for an "escort." They used to cost $200 and now they cost $450. Jon Doe sighs and closes out the page.

    Point being, the fact that there are ads ubiquitously available doesn't change the fact that harsher penalties create disincentives that will help reduce the problem.
  15. Anonymous Member

    Let it be clear that these guys are not fighting organised crime syndicates doing human trafficking. These guys do not advertise, and you need clearance to get near to them. Those who advertise are not doing hardcore human trafficking as LE would like, because they don't need to thanks to the US laws. If you build a joint, money will come. LE and trafficking task forces come out emptied handed with statistics, or victims. It's about rare deranged desperado's that went on a crime spree. That's about as difficult to deal with as school shooting.
  16. Anonymous Member

    Hasher penalties have nothing to do with closing down Backpages. Any politicians are welcome to work at it as if the penalties are lenient. The govt can raise the penalties any time. It seems that you only want to raise the price of an escort and make all the adult sex workers go away.
  17. Anonymous should be protesting Village Voice, and their support of child prostitution and slavery. But the real problem is a culture of hate, intolerance and greed. It's the reason Tony Ortega attacks defenseless religions, and looks the other way at real human rights abuses.

    After they stop human trafficking, Anons should go after religious bigots like Ortega. And then porn, because it's less of a problem than the other two.

    [IMG]
  18. Anonymous Member

    You're conflating sex slavery with prostitution. Very few prostitutes are kept in cages in basements and raped a dozen times a day.
  19. Anonymous Member

    ...with no compensation whatsoever.
  20. Anonymous Member

    O at last. Here you are.
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  21. Anonymous Member

    You are using sex slaving to advance your anti-prostitution agenda. You cannot establish the truth with anecdotal evidence. You don't even have that. Tony Octega has done to human right that you put together. Don't waste your time here.
  22. Anonymous Member

    Now this is ridiculous. I'm not even opposed to prostitution. If I had the money, I'd go to Amsterdam.
  23. Anonymous Member

    Hey you! When they'd get you? About fifth grade I reckon. Hells, you could be a recent fifth grader manning the computer because all the adults have fled, but your parents basically offloaded your ass and there you are.

    If you lurked more, I think you'd find that anons are pretty much unconcerned with porn, except the kiddie kind.

    They've also taken a bite out of the cyber side of kiddie porn, etc. In Real Life. There are dox.

    Think about it. What child exploiter (verrry illegal if you didn't know) Is going to advertise?

    As anon above suggested, take that sagging diaper of yours over to Mafia headquarters, or maybe the CIA complex in Bethesda or wherever and complain to the people who really keep the trade going.
  24. Anonymous Member

    This isn't about not having prostitution. If a woman chooses to rent out her body, that's her choice. Rights to rights to life, liberty, and property, etc. But if a woman is forced into it, there goes her liberty, property, and pursuit of happiness. If you weren't so busy worrying that I was trying to start a movement to get rid of your favorite pastimes, you'd realize that these are two separate issues.
  25. whatever.

    I thought Anons were superheroes against evil? Are you saying we support the exploitation of women?

    This story might have legs.

    [IMG]

    /r/ Octony shoops.

    Octony runnin' scared from the Anonymous anti-porn crusade.
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  26. Anonymous Member

    Since when are you the spokesperson for Anonymous? I didn't elect you.
  27. Two votes in favor, no votes against.
    Looks like we have a consensus, so we can start planning.

    How about next thursday, 1:00pm?
    City hall and BART works for me.
    I can bring pamphlets.
  28. Anonymous Member

    Only three votes so far, so more votes are probably in order. Plus, if we wait a little longer, we can get the word out and make this bigger and more visible.
  29. Anonymous Member

    This is starting to look like more of a consensus.
  30. Anonymous Member

    Guy walks down to the beach. High surf has littered the sand with hundreds of starfish. A guy is throwing them back into the ocean, so the walker goes up to him and says, "Why are you wasting time with these starfish? There are hundreds of them, the ones you save don't matter."

    "Matters to the starfish," says the guy, hucking another one into the surf.

    What kind of people would we be to spend our time fighting human trafficking in China when it's going on right here in LA and Clearwater?
  31. n3uromanc3r Member

    I haven't heard about Scilons being sex slaves, though I could be wrong.

    With respect to your question: not limiting ourselves to LA and Clearwater would make us citizens of the world.
  32. Anonymous Member

    Why do you need to protest against human trafficking? Everybody will support that. What do you want to do? Close down Backpages. That's supposed to be a solution to a problem with only two broken stories. Whereas many lives are affected if you suppress advertisements that you don't like.
  33. Anonymous Member

    Tony Ortega has done more to human rights than all you nuts put together.
    Don't waste our time here, go and join Youth for Human Rights. They will sort out your brain too.
  34. Anonymous Member

    It's not about gathering public support--of course that's already there. What isn't there is proper legislation to minimize trafficking. It's not a new issue, it's an approach. And it's an approach that has been almost entirely overlooked. That's the change in mind here.
  35. Anonymous Member

    This has nothing to do with Tony Ortega.
  36. Anonymous Member

    I need a proper legislation to make a better blue pill. It' aint working for me.
  37. Anonymous Member

    That's why you are wasting your time here. We are all about Tony.
  38. grebe Member

    Sure is retarded in here.
  39. Anonymous Member

    Full Moon. Moonbats. WITP has risen from the dead, or something.
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