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UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

Discussion in 'Fair Game Reports and Personal Experiences' started by getbeckyout, Oct 26, 2010.

  1. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Of course a young man like Anton can always get as many attractive women and girls as he wants. [strike]Women like his hairy apelike chest.[/strike] A certain type of woman likes his family’s money and may well flatter him about the hairy apelike chest. The wife or regular partner of a rich man can face a lonely life while he goes off with the women he finds attractive.

    Now that was a good start to page 13. Thirteen doesn't mean anything special in Scientology does it?
  2. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    We’re targeting Anton because he and his family are wrecking the life of a young woman, Natalie and her family. Also we want to see to it that Anton doesn’t use his limited talent or hairy chest to get raw meat into Scientology.

    Below are quotes from Families Separated by Scientology Disconnection Policies



    It's to stop tragedies like the one described above that I want to prevent Anton becoming successful though he probably hasn't enough talent anyway.
  3. RolandRB Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    What a horrible thought. Can you imaging walking into the London Ideal Org and thinking you just walked in on a remake of "Planet of the Apes"?
  4. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    If the Scilons play a video of Anton will people think it's a remake of Planet of the Apes?

    LOL

    The quote below from here isn't so funny though.

    That's typical of how Scientologists behave when they set out to break someone psychologically.
  5. RolandRB Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    It will attract all the young aspiring singers in London with excessively hairy chests to join staff there.
  6. Smurf Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Update:

    On October 30, two self-proclaimed "Independent Scientologists" sent emails to XenuTV wanting to get in contact with Tony Leigh after viewing his "Get Nat Out" video. Mark forwarded the messages to Tony.

    The message:

    "Anton is newly married into my family and has also disconnected and Anton’s family encouraged my brother Matt to disconnect from us just only a couple weeks ago. I know John, Anton and their whole family as I was just in London last year when my brother married into their family. my cell is xxxxxx I'm in Colorado but it's still a Tampa phone #. Call anytime."

    An investigation ensued with multiple sources contacted. The news of Anton getting married caused Natalie's mom more distress, which could have been avoided, as the investigation confirmed the information as *erroneous*. (I use the word "erroneous" because I have no info whether the person(s) that sent the email to XenuTV were simply mistaken or it was a deliberate attempt on their part to cause further suffering to Nat's mom who has been deeply affected by the disconnection from her daughter).

    First, I have confirmed Anton is not and has never been married. A relative of the family contacted Anton's dad (who now lives in Massachusetts with his 2nd wife) inquiring when Anton was married and to whom?

    His father said Anton has never been married, but mentioned that Anton’s step-brother Luke Simons was married to a fellow Brit Scientologist who met one another when they attended the same school (Greenfield's School). His daughter, Talena, is married & living in the UK with husband Russell.

    His father said his son as been busy working on a music album. Duncan & his wife, Sallee Slagle:

    Duncan Roy Lorien | Facebook

    Duncan Lorien:

    Sallee Slagle | Facebook

    The "Matt" the message refers to is Matt Thompson, a close friend of Serena Lorien. They were close friends when Serena lived in Clearwater. Both now reside in Burbank. Serena is an actress; Matt is in construction.

    Matt Thompson | Facebook

    A sources that know the individual's who sent the message to XenuTV says:

    "Last I knew, they both live in Clearwater and are uplines at FLAG. xxxxx claims to be a former member and has often posted on Marty Rathbun’s blog using only his first & middle name.

    Several people have told me they’ve emailed xxxxxx for their stories of leaving the cult and they're either evasive or ask a lot of personal questions of people contacting him.

    Several “Independent Scientologists" think he & his wife are OSA plants possibly working under intimidation & threats because their entire family (immediate & extended) are Scientologists living in Clearwater."

    Anton’s father Duncan divorced Avyes Lorien in the mid 1990’s. Both remarried. Anton has 2 sisters, Serena & Talena Lorien-Prain who is married to another Brit, Russell Prain. (Anton’s mom was born in the U.S.) Anton’s stepfather is John Simons. His 3 children are: Kelly, Lucy & Luke. They all have Facebook pages.

    Luke is a member of the UK band, Far West Battlefront.

    FAR WEST BATTLEFRONT [WRITING ALBUM] on Myspace Music - Free Streaming MP3s, Pictures & Music Downloads

    John Simons & wife Avye Lorien own & operate Cleaningwise, Ltd., a janitorial services company. It's former title was Lorien Contract Services Ltd.

    CLEANINGWISE LTD
    Company No: 05808698
    Registered Office: Incorporated: 08/05/2006
    2 CLIPSTONE HOUSE
    AUBYN SQUARE
    LONDON, ENGLAND, SW15 5PW
    Company Type: Private Limited Company
    Company Status: Active
    Accounts Type: TOTAL EXEMPTION SMALL

    Anton Marcus Lorien & his girlfriend, Natalie Jeanette Ferreira Milsom, continue to co-rent a flat in London.
  7. Random guy Member

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  8. CarltonBANKS Member

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    Just FYI, Luke can be seen singing in this video:



    He is the guy that starts with the lyrics "Let us just be free...", on directly after the mime act, about #6.
  9. CarltonBANKS Member

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    Also, IIRC, Luke Simons was/is dating Marie Mercer, French chick - hairdresser. (She didn't go to Greenfields as a child, IIRC?)

    Although, here she is at the Greenfields School "reunion gala" in 2006, she prob went as a guest of Luke.

    [IMG]


    Smurf: thanks for the info, but my head hurts. Maybe someone could volunteer to draw a simple diagram (family tree?) of the key players, if it's relevant to helping Natalie.
  10. COREarg Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    The sad epsilons and betas from Brave New World were happy...since they were teached that they slavery was the most amazing thing in the damn whole world.

    In case I wasn't clear... Sleep-learning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I know Wikipedia isn't the most awesome thing ever,but I can't lurk in other sites with this horrid pc.
    ____

    On Thread:

    I can't help since I'm in a far away country,but I will try to get people know about this. Hope they can get Natalie out.

    This is why. And you know the rest.
  11. CarltonBANKS Member

    Some nuggets; a recap

    So, kind of a recap, some nuggets of information:


    • Natalie has communicated the disconnection notice [source: Smurf in this post]
    • Late-night stranger visit from John Simons [no image available]
      • John Simmons has three biological children:
        • Kelly Louise Simons, works as HR Manager at Diskeeper:

          [IMG]
        • Lucy:

          [IMG]

          Photo from 2007, taken in Flordia. Lucy on the left
        • Luke:
          2nv5ce8.jpg

    Avye Lorien has three biological children:

    • Anton, the asipiring singer
    • Serena, the actress/voice actress with a part in the new Superman film. Appears to hang out with lots of well-to-do people in LA
    • Talena, a house-wife living in England

    For Natalie's mom - who could she get a visit from next? Let's hope it's no-one, she's made it clear she doesn't want any strangers turning up at her home, late at night, unanounced. [How does Scientology know all this stuff? Most likely, Natalie has written pages & pages of SP/PTS handling reports, sent to RTC on a daily basis]
  12. CarltonBANKS Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

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  13. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    If Anton and his family want any chance of Anton becoming a successful singer they’d better stop preventing a mother and daughter being in contact. See here for more about why we're so angry.
  14. Smurf Member

    Re: Some nuggets; a recap

    Thanks, Carlton. Nat's mom has a support circle now in the UK and she is incredibly thankful for all the support she is receiving in this matter. I have conveyed to her the concern we have for her here.

    And a special message to the OSAbots that are monitoring this thread:

    I dare you to fuck with Natalie's family.
  15. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    lol wut. I can tell your the prime example who will save Nat and all Scientologists (coughs). You realize you sound like your dehumanizing all Scientologists now. Thats going to work against you if your goal really is to "liberate" Scientologists from Co$.

    I know, its great isn't it, lol.
  16. CarltonBANKS Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    It's laughable to suggest that "Anonymous" could have any significant negative impact on his music career. It's very easy to mitigate against a bunch of teenagers using LOiC, even GS solved the problem after a few days. GMLegal.co.uk (the successor to ACS:Law) also mitigated against the problem by buying internets tubes with more girth.

    It's silly to try to use Anton's career as leverage. Let him get on with his music, if he feels victimised, he will just turn to the cult and become more dependent on them. Seeing stuff like this may cause him anxiety. (And what's the "solution"? Dianetics!!!)

    Important point: Natalie can still disconnect without John Simons or Anton Lorien's influence, sadly. They socialise with other clams like 24/7. If she splits up with Anton, she might just fall deeply in love with (for example) Martin Polak.

    [IMG]

    Look at Agneiskza's PTS Handling Reports

    • Also a female Londoner
    • Immediate and extended family very critical of Scientology
    • Her partner is/was a pauper. Felix had/has no income/job (apart from being 'on staff') and she was still fine with disconnection (from her entire family in Poland); such is the power of mind-control.


    To reiterate, I think

    • a better strategy is to get information (the t r u t h) to all of these people. The cult is attempting to stop the flow of information to Natalie. Let's get as much info as possible to everyone (i.e. Natalie, Anton, Serena, Talena, Luke, Lucy etc).
    • They are all victims - yes, including John Simons and Anton Lorien. Many of these people were born into Scientology. They all deserve dignity and respect. People like Smurf are able to properly empathise, in a way that many of us can't.
  17. Anonymous Member

  18. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Lol @ your impotent threats. Also, fair game much?
  19. Anonymous Member

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    any recent news from Nat's Mum, Tony?
  20. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Hope Nat's Mom hangs in there. Seems obvious she has a daughter that is infatuated with a handsome, wannabe "star". Unfortunately, she seems to be in a mindset of "apparent" victim of abuse and control. Maybe Nat's Mom can get some tips from women's groups and how to deal with family members in this grip.

    Other than that, Anton is the kind of character that will eventually expel or dispel Nat all on his own, so it could just be a waiting game, unless she has $$ or some other lasting enabling carrot to keep him motivated to stick around.
  21. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    We can continue to create embarrassment for the CO$ so they tell Natalie to reconnect with her parents or tell her to leave Scientology.
  22. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY


    How do you know???
  23. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Because I was once a young and naive maiden enthralled with handsome stars.
    Are you kidding? This one is easy, and universal and classic. Ask any woman.

    And yes, Scientology is worse than any other ? But if Anton is a narcisstic control freak, if it wasn't Scientology, it would be something else. Sorry, that's just true.
    And it's also true, with honest due respect to her family, that Natalie is lobbing on to some control freak for reasons she needs to address with a therapist.

    I mean, she allowed her boyfriend and his stepfather? to hassle her own mother, rather than talk to her herself. What does that say?

    My point was Anton will show his true colors, dump Nat in some very harsh way, and hopefully she will do the right thing then and call her Mom for comfort, wisdom, and a soft place to land.
  24. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Anton is an aspiring star, he isn't a star so we can't assume he's like the stars, and not all of them are control freaks. I'm not even sure if Anton's a control freak or if he's controlled by Scientology as this disconnection is typical of what Scientology tells its members to do. For all we know someone higher up in the Scilon hierarchy told Anton and told Anton’s father to visit Nat’s mother.

    I’m not for Anton I’m just trying to sort out what we know and what we don’t know. If it turns out Anton if the control freak you say he is we needn’t feel guilty at all if we mess with him.

    Further we don't even know if Anton has the talent to become a star. If Scientology is trying to turn him into a star who can promote Scientology then he'll have the drive to stardom. At least he'll have the drive till Scientologists develop different plans for him or till he leaves.

    Yes, he's artistic as the post below says, his photo could or could not be narascistic, if trying to be a star was his choice he may well be narscistic.

    As the post below reminds us Anton and is dad visited Nat's mother, Nat didn't, why? Because Scientology high ups were afraid Nat would weaken if she spoke to her mother and sent the two men instead.
  25. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Look, Nat didn't contact her mom. Anton and stepdad did. And check out beginning of thread. But Nat's #1 responsible. No one else. If she's in love, you just can't navigate or negotiate that. If she's in love with a narcisstic, artistic cult member, she'll learn soon enough. Neither of them seem to have done much courses or auditing. That means less brainwashing. Wish them all well.
  26. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    What gives you the right to screw with this woman's life like this?
  27. Smurf Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Tony and others are staying in close contact with Silene.
  28. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY


    We aren't screwing with her life - the cult is.

    Scientology hurts people and destroys families.

    If she remains in the cult she will lose people who love her, she will waste her life on a con.

    Her mother has asked for help. We will help.

    Planning thread required?
  29. Smurf Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Actually, only Anton's cowardly stepfather, John Simons, made the surprise visit to Silene, after her husband had left for work. (This follows the cult's line of intimidation tactics.. surprise with a visit & catch the victim off-guard.)

    It puts the victim off-balance and easier to control & intimidate, especially if it's a man working on a woman alone in her house. It worked well on Nat's mom who was a distraught & crying mess which John Simons, obviously, enjoyed inducing. Simons also told Silene he owned a construction company in East Grinstead where Anton's mother & 100 employees worked. This proved to be a lie.

    I wish I was in the UK. I'd take great joy in personally removing some of Anton's front teeth.

    Update: I've been informed by Tony that Anton personally visited Silene at her home. Evidently, in the UK "calling" someone is defined differently than in the U.S. I took "calling" to mean Anton telephoned Silene. He didn't call (phone) her but called upon her at her home (visited).
  30. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    LOL - didn't know you are a dentist.
  31. COREarg Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    The same right that gives the CULT the liberty to screw up people's mind for taking away their money, and then build up an empty shell in Connecticut or Nepal or somewhere very far away, like Kansas.
  32. getbeckyout Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    The only news that i have SADLY is that at present Natalie has NOT MADE ANY CONTACT with any of Silene's family.

    DISCONNECTION.

    Natalie if you read this please, please, phone or even better visit your Mum she is
    in a very bad state, and she puts no blame on you at all and she never will.

    This is your Mum, not a criminal or someone that wishes to hurt you.

    She loves you, you need to think for yourself you are 28 think about it and make contact now. You can have as many families as you wish but your Mum and Dad must come first.

    Contact my daughter if you wish or me, she will tell you the COS are not worth it,
    Mums and Dads come first.

    Make her Day and your Dads.
  33. Smurf Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Anton & his sister, Serena has been marketing their friend, Matt Thompson's contracting business like crazy on their Twitter.

    Anton Lorien (AntonLorien) on Twitter

    Matt Thompson (YourDeckBuilder) on Twitter

    Los Angeles Deck Builder, www.YourDeckBuilder.com
    1220 N CATALINA STREET
    BURBANK, CA 91505
    Business Phone Number: (323) 423-2226
    Sole Ownership - Matthew W. Thompson

    https://www2.cslb.ca.gov/OnlineServices/CheckLicenseII/LicenseDetail.aspx?LicNum=907689
  34. CarltonBANKS Member

    Can you spare £1, please, sir?

    Can anyone spare a pound? (£1 UK Sterling) Would like to get docs from Companies House
  35. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    It looks like John Simons helped 100 or more people to become members of the IAS, or contributed to IAS expansion in some stellar fashion. Can anyone get info on him?

    Ii would be really cool to see that nasty, slimy sadistic worm DOOMED!
  36. Anonymous Member

    Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    What gives this little Peter Gabriel wannabe stars-in-his-eyes horse-faced fool Anton Lorien the right to prevent Natalie Milsom contacting her own mother, then with his vile little inbred family of $cilons pay her threatening and unwanted visits in the night to tell her with great delight that her daughter does not wish to speak with them any more??

    If you support the notion of "disconnection" here, then you are the enemy. D.I.A.F.

    Oh and congratulations, your comment has only made me MORE determined to free Natalie Milsom from the clutches of this stupid little sect.

    This is not going to go away until, as with Becky, the common sense prevails and she just phones home - and the idea that families should be "disconnected" in the name of David Miscavige (a man who has suspicious links to the multiple shotgun blast death of his wife's mother, as well as the apparent disappearance of his own wife) is treated with the utter contempt that 99 percent of LRH nonsense is treated with by normal non-brainwashed people.

    And if it so happens that any chance Anton Lorien has of hitting the elusive fame he so craves is forever tainted by clear evidence of his own direct involvement in the nastier aspects of this evil, dying little cult, then so be it. Nothing of value would be lost.

    You may sign your stupid billion year contract with the corporate cult of greed, but we will still be here when that contract expires.

    Expect us. We're not going to go away.
  37. Mrs Basil Member

    Re: Can you spare £1, please, sir?

    Not a problem. Let's see what I can find you. Awaiting download availability from CH website now but let's hope this can help - what specifically is it you're looking for?


    Status: Active
    Date of Incorporation: 08/05/2006

    Country of Origin: United Kingdom

    Company Type: Private Limited Company
    Nature of Business (SIC(03)):
    4525 - Other special trades construction
    7470 - Other cleaning activities

    Accounting Reference Date: 31/05
    Last Accounts Made Up To: 31/05/2009 (TOTAL EXEMPTION SMALL)
    Next Accounts Due: 28/02/2011
    Last Return Made Up To: 08/05/2010
    Next Return Due: 05/06/2011

    Last Members List: 08/05/2010

    Previous Names:
    Date of change Previous Name
    17/02/2010 LORIEN CONTRACT SERVICES LIMITED


    AR01 28/07/2010 08/05/10 FULL LIST

    LATEST SOC 28/07/2010 28/07/10 STATEMENT OF CAPITAL;GBP 1000

    CH01 27/07/2010 DIRECTOR'S CHANGE OF PARTICULARS / AVYE LORIEN / 07/05/2010

    AD01 26/02/2010 REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 26/02/2010 FROM
    6 EDINBURGH WAY
    EAST GRINSTEAD
    WEST SUSSEX
    RH19 4RU

    AA 23/02/2010 31/05/09 TOTAL EXEMPTION SMALL

    CERTNM 17/02/2010 COMPANY NAME CHANGED LORIEN CONTRACT SERVICES LIMITED
    CERTIFICATE ISSUED ON 17/02/10

    RES15 17/02/2010 CHANGE OF NAME 05/02/2010

    CONNOT 17/02/2010 NOTICE OF CHANGE OF NAME NM01 - RESOLUTION

    363a 03/06/2009 RETURN MADE UP TO 08/05/09; FULL LIST OF MEMBERS

    AA 02/01/2009 31/05/08 TOTAL EXEMPTION FULL

    287 10/12/2008 REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 10/12/08 FROM:
    GISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 10/12/2008 FROM
    2 CLIPSTONE HOUSE
    AUBYN SQUARE
    LONDON
    SW15 5PW

    363a 06/06/2008 RETURN MADE UP TO 08/05/08; FULL LIST OF MEMBERS

    288b 17/04/2008 APPOINTMENT TERMINATED SECRETARY ANTON LORIEN

    AA 06/03/2008 31/05/07 TOTAL EXEMPTION FULL

    363a 24/05/2007 RETURN MADE UP TO 08/05/07; FULL LIST OF MEMBERS

    288c 17/05/2007 DIRECTOR'S PARTICULARS CHANGED

    288c 17/05/2007 SECRETARY'S PARTICULARS CHANGED

    287 12/03/2007 REGISTERED OFFICE CHANGED ON 12/03/07 FROM:
    G OFFICE CHANGED 12/03/07
    NORTH LODGE, GOTWICK MANOR
    HAMMERWOOD
    EAST GRINSTEAD
    WEST SUSSEX RH19 3PY

    NEWINC 08/05/2006 INCORPORATION DOCUMENTS
    CERTIFICATE OF INCORPORATION
    STATEMENT OF DIRECTORS & REGISTERED OFFICE
    DECLARATION OF COMPLIANCE
    MEMORANDUM OF ASSOCIATION
    ARTICLES OF ASSOCIATION



    Downloaded documents don't show anything of any real interest, John Simons & Avye Lorien are the two directors of the company and own 500 ordinary shares each. Paperwork up to date. They're at MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service if you want 'em.

    I'll add the download costs to my Pfizer expenses at the end of the month.
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  38. Re: UK Anons: GET NAT OUT OF THE CULT OF SCIENTOLOGY

    Many Anons are angry enough to say D.I.A.F. over that.
  39. CarltonBANKS Member

    Re: Can you spare £1, please, sir?


    Thanks very much, mate. Please can you PM me with the PDFs? (I can make them available to everyone). I am looking for the Company Directors' details (e.g. Managing Director, company secretary etc). There should be scanned handwritten (or maybe typed) forms.


    --

    I was going to call for cutting people like John Simons much greater slack, but Smurf can empathise much more, so I'll bow to his greater knowledge.

    I'll just say that he's been manipulated for years & years. He's not necessarily a bad person?
  40. Mrs Basil Member

    Re: Can you spare £1, please, sir?

    MEGAUPLOAD - The leading online storage and file delivery service for some documents you may find useful.

    John and Avye have 500 ordinary shares each in the company. Nothing particularly outstanding or "out of place" that I can see unless you have specific things I should be looking for?

    Curious about "17/04/2008 APPOINTMENT TERMINATED SECRETARY ANTON LORIEN" listed in light of previous posts.

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