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Alex Gibney: Going Clear

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  1. The Wrong Guy Member

    Going Clear 2: Scientology Exposé



    Published by Tin Can Brothers on April 7, 2015

    In partnership with HBO Documentaries, the Tin Can Brothers dig even deeper into the operations of the Church of Scientology.
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  2. tbh all this joking and funny videos takes away from the serious issues the HBO documentary brought to light. In fact (tinfoil alert) I feel the cult might have contacted SNL and help them make the video to make it look "funny". I have read many posts on Twitter of people saying things like "after seeing the hbo docu, i saw the SNL video and it was funnYy" ... NOT A GOOD THING!

    Anyhow, notice how the SNL parody had no xenu stuff in it ... coincidence

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  3. Anonymous Member

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  4. Hugh Bris Member

    tbh, mockery is the best policy, where COS is concerned. It gives it all the importance it deserves
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  5. It certainly talked about aliens a lot.
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  6. Since I haven't seen the HBO documentary yet and now must wait six months, I'd like to know if the HBO program addressed the area of religious cloaking and the Brennan affidavit on it.

    The petition to have Scientology's tax exemption revoked is having a difficult time, and I wonder if some people are reluctant to sign a petition that "attacks a Church"?
  7. Hugh Bris Member

    I don't remember anything about the religious cloaking or the Brennan affidavit.
  8. Sorry to hear that. It was a missed opportunity then.
  9. BigBeard Member

    From what I'm seeing in the comments at the news sites where JT's interview is being recycled, the comments are overwhelmingly negative about JT and his statements. A lot of them from 'never ins' reference the "Going Clear" documentary, and are pretty scathing about his ability to "stick his head in the sand".

    Somehow I don't see much of a crowd showing up for the premere of "The Forger". Unless they bus in a bunch of Sea Ogres.

    BigBeard
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  10. The Wrong Guy Member

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  11. The Wrong Guy Member

    This mention is from Australia:

    Lid lifted on Scientology

    The controversial HBO documentary Going Clear: Scientology and the Prison of Belief has set a ratings record in the US, drawing 1.7 million viewers to its debut screening, a figure expected to double once subsequent broadcasts, DVR playback and plays on the HBO streaming service HBO Go are factored in.

    The documentary will screen at the Sydney Film Festival and then go into cinemas in June.

    It will air on Foxtel's Showcase channel later this year, as part of Foxtel's overall deal with HBO.

    http://www.smh.com.au/entertainment...ad-of-the-streaming-pack-20150402-1mdc0n.html
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  12. mojo Member

    Hope it hits far more film festivals and then springs to general release all over the world. as for Travolta's not intending to see the film, how could he? ostriches gotta be ostriches til they get bit on the butt!
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  13. anoninoob Member

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  14. TrevAnon Member

    How about this John?
    Or would this be out ethics or something? :confused:
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  15. jensting Member

    There's only two hours(!), and the documentary does answer the question "Why do normal people join, let alone stay in the Co$?" and "Is the Co$ really bad - are not all religions starting out small, blah, blah, blah?"

    And that's just a great start for the millions of viewers who are not subject specialists.
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  16. From what I've seen of the documentary it's great, but mentioning the deceptive religious cloaking program and that a top legal executive for Scientology, after leaving, wrote about it, and perhaps reading some of the powerful content in that executive's statement, would have taken, maybe, 30 seconds - or less.

    This is the Scientology organizations number one lie upon which all else depends, especially in the United States.
  17. The Wrong Guy Member

    Reporters asking better questions of Scientology celebrities

    By Tony Ortega

    Alex Gibney’s documentary Going Clear hits Scientology celebrities Tom Cruise and John Travolta very hard, and many of the millions of people who have seen the film wondered how the actors would react to it. Stories spread quickly yesterday that Travolta was asked and said he doesn’t plan to watch it. “I’ve been so happy with my (Scientology) experience in the last 40 years,” he said, “that I really don’t have anything to say that would shed light on (a documentary) so decidedly negative.”

    What few noted, however, was the context in which those comments came up. Tampa Bay Times movie critic Steve Persall had called Travolta because the actor will be in Clearwater this month for the premiere of his latest movie, The Forger. And Persall didn’t waste the opportunity to ask Travolta what everyone wanted to know — his thoughts on Gibney’s film. We’re thrilled to see Persall be so bold.

    Meanwhile, Salon writer Anna Silman called us up to talk about the very same thing — what are the ground rules for reporters interviewing celebrities as far as bringing up the controversies of the church they belong to? We told her there’s nothing wrong with a reporter questioning someone like Elisabeth Moss about a group which has been accused of human rights abuses, shocking examples of child labor, decades of forced abortion, families ripped apart through political leverage, and the strange imprisoning of its own executives.

    This wasn’t in her piece, but we told her we understand that entertainment reporters might be concerned about losing access if they dared to ask questions an actor didn’t like. But Persall, as a movie critic, showed how it can be done.

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    http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/08/ge...ate-character-actor-and-an-ot5-scientologist/
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  19. The Wrong Guy Member

    Tosh.0 - Scientology



    Published by Comedy Central on April 8, 2015

    Daniel offers his take on HBO's "Going Clear" and throws his hat in the ring to be the new celebrity face of Scientology.

    Daniel Tosh Wants to Replace Tom Cruise as the ‘Face of Scientology’ | Mediaite

    Daniel Tosh wants to be the new “celebrity face” of Scientology. On this week’s episode of Comedy Central’s Tosh.0, the comedian used the release of HBO’s Going Clear documentary to explain why he thinks he would be a perfect spokesperson for the “fake religion.”

    “Spoiler alert! It’s a cult and their buildings are nothing but tax shelters,” Tosh said of the film. “The one thing that all members have in common is that they are mind-blowingly stupid.”

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/daniel-tosh-wants-to-replace-tom-cruise-as-the-face-of-scientology/
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  20. RightOn Member

    THANKS WG!!!
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  21. jensting Member

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  22. anon8109 Member

    The message from the movie is reaching people who might have otherwise fallen for the religious cloaking. At 0:45 the 700 club christian program gets it right. This is heartening and I hope that Christian churches will stop cooperating with the cult through multi-faith groups.

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  23. RightOn Member

    ha ha! the 700 club! They have TONS of followers!
    Never thought I would be thanking the 700 club, but thank you!
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  24. YO YO YO ANYBODY posted this in this or its own thread ?

    http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2014/03/shelly-miscavige-scientology-queen-de-throned

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  25. The Wrong Guy Member

    There's a related thread here:

    The Wrap: 'Going Clear,' star defections, parodies - How Scientology lost its grip on Hollywood

    Gibney told TheWrap that there’s still a lot more of the Scientology story yet to be told.

    “There was a ton of stuff that ended up on the cutting room floor,” he said. “There’s some thinking that we may go back in and do something at a later date.”

    https://whyweprotest.net/threads/th...cientology-lost-its-grip-on-hollywood.125468/
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  26. RightOn Member

    I just saw a commercial for HBO and it was showing a montage of different movies they offer and Tom Cruise's last movie was in the mix.
    Doesn't that make him PTS now? :D
    So tell us Tom, is it ok for HBO to show your movies? Since they are such SP's, why is it ok?
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  27. Tom is relevant as an actor, as a person not so much
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  28. Django Member

    Hey David Miscavige!

    When you're done Fair Gaming SNL, you go right ahead and sic those PIs on ol' Reverend Pat here. C'mon, Dave - "Never Defend, Always Attack". Here's a guy with tens of thousands of followers - a LOT more than you got, Chief, and he's dissing your cult right on his Prahm Tahm Tel-o-bishun pogrom. You gotta respond, Kiddo. Have this guy tailed AT ONCE, or we're gonna suspect that maybe, just maybe, you might not be the Almighty Ecclesiastical Leader of the World's Fastest Growing Religion, but a cheap, spineless thug that can't back up his bluster.

    Tick tock, Tiny Guy. Oh, and yes, I know how to spell "program", you dickless festering cunt....
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  29. Esquire Magazine: Marty Rathbun Is Scientology's Public Enemy No. 1. And He's Okay with That

    http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/interviews/a34259/scientology-marty-rathbun-interview/

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    The ex-member of the Church and Going Clear subject talks about the enemies who ambush him, and how he encourages people to speak out about Scientology's abuses.

    Though it made its HBO premiere nearly two weeks ago, people are still talking about Going Clear, Oscar-winning documentarian Alex Gibney's enlightening (and frightening) expose on the Church of Scientology and its members. Which says a lot about the public's fascination with L. Ron Hubbard's widely known but little understood philosophy. And the movie has also put the Church itself on the defensive (or into attack mode, depending on your perspective). It's a position that Mark "Marty" Rathbun understands all too well.

    As a former senior executive within the Church, Rathbun—who appears as one of Gibney's talking heads in Going Clear—has spent the past decade attempting to reconcile the 27 years he spent in the Church of Scientology (he joined in 1977), including time at the top of its ranks. In addition to a popular blog, Rathbun has connected with and counseled other former Church members, whom he has also encouraged to speak out. Which has made him Scientology's public enemy number one. Which suits Rathbun just fine, as he explained in his recent interview with Esquire.

    ESQUIRE: What was it that most appealed to you about the concept of Scientology when you became involved?

    MARK "MARTY" RATHBUN:


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  30. The Wrong Guy Member

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  32. The Wrong Guy Member

    Scientology ‘On Lockdown!’ Church Bans TV, Internet, Newspapers In The Wake Of ‘Going Clear,’ Former Member Claims

    By Jen Heger, Radar Online, April 10, 2015

    HBO’s bombshell documentary Going Clear has sent the Church of Scientology scrambling for cover, according to a former member. One-time high-ranking Scientologist Tom DeVocht tells RadarOnline.com exclusively that church leader David Miscavige has put members on “lockdown” mode in an attempt to stem the fall-out from recent explosive allegations.

    DeVocht told Radar exclusively, “I have spoken with someone within the Church. This person is one of the higher-ups, and David Miscavige has ordered the Church to go on lockdown in response to Going Clear.”

    “The order told members to not watch any television, read newspapers, or go online because the Church is under attack,” DeVocht claimed.

    “Everyone is extremely paranoid that they are being watched or risk being tattled on if caught doing one of those things.”

    <snipped>

    Reps for the Church didn’t immediately respond to request for comment.

    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2015/04/scientologist-church-lockdown-going-clear-documentary/
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  33. Try reading a Radar article and taking a drink every time they use a variant of "exclusive".
  34. The Wrong Guy Member

    Patrick Clouden Responds To HBO And Going Clear | Sec Check

    We don’t know what a Fifth Floor Broker is, but it seems to make a lot of money. Clouden is the CEO of Consumer Energy Solutions, and a major donor to Scientology. In 1999 he helped register fake charity groups in an attempt to prevent the Lisa McPherson Trust from naming itself after the deceased Scientologist.

    This is my answer to HBO and anyone else who seeks to crush me down. If you need help flourishing and prospering, we will help you handle that. Send an email to my assistant at Kathy@gmail.com and we will help you get stats way up!

    Continued here:
    https://seccheck.wordpress.com/2015/04/10/patrick-clouden-responds-to-hbo/
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  35. The Wrong Guy Member

    Watch Out Scientology, ‘Going Clear 2′ Is In The Works! Filmmaker Teases Of Plenty Of ‘Cutting Room Floor’ Footage

    By Radar Online staff, April 10, 2015

    Following the firestorm started by HBO’s Going Clear, filmmaker Alex Gibney teased that he “may go back in and do something at a later date” with “a ton of” unused footage.

    “There was a ton of stuff that ended up on the cutting room floor,” Gibney told The Wrap, adding that there’s a lot of potential content that could justify another chapter in the project.

    Nothing new here:
    http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...al-sequel-controversial-documentary-released/
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  36. Ogsonofgroo Member

    *shudderz* ^^^ ' graphs & statistics'.... yup, proves everything eh... :rolleyes: At least there are numbers on Clouden's graph, real or not, they look so nice there when they're big.
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