Amanda Palmer's Sea Org Scientology Connections

Discussion in 'Media' started by KlaatuBaradaNichto, May 5, 2012.

  1. krampus Member

    The more Gaiman/Palmer avoid the question, the weirder it looks. AFP essentially says, "I'm not answering. Here, look at my tits."
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  2. anonanchovie Member

    I feel that this a classic example wrong target, maybe even a diversionary tactic.

    The idiots that need to be constantly exposed are actual cult apologists, actual cult staff, the PROs and DSA of whatever local org or mission an anon might be near, the ED the OT committee and any SO dupe.

    Palmer and Gaiman are promoting music and literature and their actual viable funding and contact with the cult is evidentially spurious.

    The cult still needs investigation, challenging, more so now actually as they have way tightened up security and cut back front line activities as a result of anons pushing them into a corner. Now I am certain that OSA strat could well be an effort to ensure that WWP and others can be trolled into fighting wrong targets and fighting each other. That is what I have seen on the FB boards and among people organizing the Irish SP gathering.

    It is really wank this stupid thread on Gaiman and Palmer.

    I know plenty of 2nd gen scientologist who are out and want fuck all to do with the cult but don't want to loose their family.

    I think that this whole Palmer and Gaiman expose effort needs a bit of intelligent consideration, I think it is bad strategy; makes WWP look like a bunch of losers actually.
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  3. Why Herro wants to get on and talk about whether or not Gaiman and Palmer are artists is beyond me. I don't care about Will Smith's latest movie, but I do care he has funded a Scientology school.

    Gaiman and Palmer underwrite the cult. Public figures who underwrite the cult are a serious problem. All I wanted to do with this thread was document the connection between Amanda Palmer and the Sea Org and suggest that the cult may now be using Kickstarter to fund their celebrities. This is legitimate.

    It is important to observe the way Scientology funds celebrities and spins information. The fact that celebrity's are downplaying their status within the cult is a good sign.
  4. Anonymous Member

    Any dox on Gaiman or Palmer's last IAS medal or donation or completions?
  5. anonanchovie Member

    I agree that formerly vocal celebs are now battening down sci pr hatches is brilliant and anon has done fabulous work.

    I would agree in this case were we talking about people that have explicitly acted as recruitment whores or pr whores for the cult, a la Jenna Elfman, Kelly Preston, Cruise, Travolta, Cartright and Alley et al.

    These two have not used their status to promote the cult and there the evidence is not definitive as to any funds being funneled cult wise herein.

    Going through back issues of Celebrity and fining celebs who have fronted directly for the cult or indirectly as has Will Smith

    These people just don't act like scientfacistculties.

    These are wrong targets and attacking them makes, as I said, WWPers look a bit like losers to the considerable fan bases both these people have.
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  6. zalgo Member

    In the time of chimpanzees I was a monkey....
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  7. Anonymous Member

    Agreed. Also, AFP's appearance with Kate Bornstein is telling. A current, active scn would not be able to cavort with a known SP. I see no evidence of them being in the cult, let alone funneling money to it.
  8. zalgo Member

    forces of evil with a bozo nightmare?

    i like how wwp cares moar about David Gaiman's dead penis then Amanda Palmer's live boobies
  9. zalgo Member

    unless they were a celebrity.
    celebrities have different rules, and the boundries arent clear.
    Gaiman-spawn could even special rules that even other celebrities don't get.

    but partying with Kate is pretty rude!
    i think its transgressive and suppresive, make of it what you will
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  10. Gaiman was born into Scientology and is listed in their own magazines as having donated large enough sums to be considered a patron and founding patron of Scientology.

    Gaiman was photographed at Wealden House, the Scientology "Improvement" center in East Grinstead run by his sister, Lizzie Calcione, where people are audited and handled. ks-wealden-house-life-improvement-centre.php

    Below is a list of known donations by The Gaiman Family USA and UK with separate donations by G & G Vitamins. This is probably a partial list of donations since it is research intensive to assemble these figures. Pooks has been tireless in assembling this kind of extremely useful data Thank you Pooks for your diligence, and endurance and clarity, you should get a medal.

    It's from this kind of hard data published in Scientology's own journals, that we can build a picture of the money trail and who is involved in Scientology, since the Scientologists themselves will lie about their status, as Will Smith continues to do, even as he builds Scientology schools to indoctrinate children. This is a known pattern with Scientologists and I believe it will grow more pervasive as Anonymous turns up the heat.

    Ideal Continent News

    2010 Mary Gaiman /Gold Humanitarian Award ($500,000.00)

    Cornerstone Newsletter/November (Donation to the “Super Power” Building)*

    Cornerstone stats: $142 million plus given to Super Power Scam - Ex Scientologist Message Board

    2003: THE GAIMAN FAMILY USA Impact magazine #105 Patrons ($100,000.00) You will find them listed in CAPS because they are Patrons with Honors ($100,000.00)

    2004: Impact #109 G & G Foods Patrons ($40,000.00)

    2004: THE GAIMAN FAMILY USA Impact Magazine #109 Founding Patrons ($100,000.00)[circa September 2004 ]:Founding Patrons are those who became Patrons by the IAS 20th Anniversary (October/November 2004).

    The following list appears in Impact 114 [ circa September 2006 ]:

    2006: G & G FOOD SUPPLIES Patrons Impact #114 ($40,000.00)

    2006: THE GAIMAN FAMILY USA Impact magazine #114 Patrons ($100,000.00) You will find them listed in CAPS because they are Patrons with Honors ($100,000.00)

    2006: Impact magazine #114 DAVID & SHEILA GAIMAN UK Silver Meritorious ($750,000.00)

    Cornerstone Newsletter: List of Members in GOOD STANDING

    2009: MARY AND NEIL GAIMAN Cornerstone Newsletter (circa November 2009 ($35,000.00)

    2010: $500,000.00 contributed Minnesota Org by Gaiman's Blank Corporation.Patrons are those who became Patrons by the IAS 20th Anniversary (October/November 2004).

    Try these threads:

    One thing you need to understand about Scientology:

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  11. I respect your point of view, Bro. But the fact is, Neil Gaiman is building an Org in Minnesota. Art or no art, Gaiman is a Cornerstone club member. He is building an Org and until Scientology stops torturing people, I have a serious problem with it.
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  12. Herro Member

    No, she's laughing at / making fun of the idiots asking the question. Remember, Amanda Fucking Palmer > you.
  13. Herro Member

    Why can't you produce any evidence to support your assertions? Do you realize how foolish you're making yourself look? I've avoided asking you this thus far because quite frankly you're hilarious, but at this point even I'm starting to feel sorry for you.
  14. muldrake Member

    The first time I know of the Gaiman Family being listed as "Patrons With Honors" was in Impact #94, from around April of 2001. It may have appeared even earlier. The last listing I have is in Impact 115, about September 26, 2006, where they are still listed as Patrons With Honors. In other words, the last donations reflected in the Impact lists are in 2001, well over a decade ago.

    This listing first appeared, that I can tell, in Impact #68, from some time in 1995 (they don't date these things). So in other words, the last movement in this donation level was 17 years ago. Ho-hum. Let's see some more moldy oldies.

    [Snip duplicates and donations for Gaiman's PARENTS, who are not Neil Gaiman, needless to say.]

    Cornerstone Newsletter: List of Members in GOOD STANDING

    This is the one donation that actually has Neil's name on it that is actually from about 2009. It was not listed in the (unnumbered) Cornerstone list from August of 2007, so can't be earlier than that. Of course, Mary is now his ex-wife.

    What's the evidence that this wasn't actually a donation by Mary Gaiman, since it was her name acknowledged? Both of them are principals in that company and presumably, Mary got a large chunk of the fortune in the divorce settlement.
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  15. Here is Mary Gaiman being honored for her God Humanitarian Award. She is in the bottom photo to the left:


    Here is Mary Gaiman's Facebook:

    You can make a visual ID that this is the same Mary Gaiman.

    Gold Humanitarian Award Winners have given half a million.
  16. OTeleventy Member

    I don't disagree with you KBN, but drop it, okay? Points - many of them - made. Let it simmer for a while. A few day, months, years, then come back. Dead horse is dead. No one cares.

    (AFP=no talent skank. Heh.)
  17. Neil lost a lot when he left Mary.
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  18. I'm curious about Amanda's connection to the SO or from a SO family. If those wedding photos are of her father I assure you he is not in a SO uniform. I'm pretty sure it's US or merchant navy dress whites. While I'm not positive if the uniform is US navy, I am positive it's not SO. I just had my partner who is ex-SO confirm it and he pointed out the glaring points that show it's not a SO uniform - the "fruit salad" is worn on the wrong side, none of those medals are SO, no laynard, etc... My partner was recruited very, very young, was at a high level and had to dress in the uniform daily for years (and early on one of her/his posts required care and cleaning of the SO uniforms of the cult VIPs) so they know a SO uniform when they see one.

    But besides some wedding photo what evidence is there of AP's family being some deeply entrenched SO family? I saw the link about her Dad being a contractor for an ideal org but wouldn't that prove he isn't in the SO? Last I checked SO slaves don't run and own businesses on the side.

    Ive always been curious about how deeply involved Neil still is in the cult and if he married another Scio then I think it proves he's still neck deep. But I'd like to see some proof of Palmer's supposed connection. Seriously,if her family is "dedicated SO" as is being claimed itshould be pretty easy to verify. She would have been raised on site in the cult if her parents are SO and with the number of exes around surely she or her family would be remembered by some of them.
  19. muldrake Member

    I'm not sure what your point is. I think we're both agreed that Mary Gaiman is Mary Gaiman.

    Are we in disagreement that Mary Gaiman is not Neil Gaiman and that they have been divorced for some time?
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  20. Anonymous Member

    Also, Amanda Palmer is not fucking you.

    (there could be an exception for Herro)
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  21. anonanchovie Member

    AP's dad is not is Sea Org Dress Whites - a uniform that only came into being in 1988, prior to that there were only official Dress Blue or Class A uniforms.

    A dear friend of ours gives a demonstration for our enlightenment and edification here:

  22. anonanchovie Member

    The Mockett image is from 1968, and indeed the style of the uniform and the medals are all wrong.

    The 1968 SO uniform on the Apollo is shown here, along with a Sea Org drill:

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  23. We are agreed. I was just backing up your point.
  24. LOL. Where is this photo from?
  25. Zak McKracken Member

    The guy on the left is Neil Gaiman, the chick on the right is Amanda Palmer,
    the gross out tech in the middle is Herro.
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  26. Anonymous Member

    LOL that they were made to pose like that until the fat clusterfuck Hubbard remembered to remove the lens cap...
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  28. I like the mod guy with the dandy whiskers in the uniform. Reminds me of the old Monty Python animation about the modern, cool Nay-Veee!
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  29. anonanchovie Member sp squirrles... all of you. Ron says:


    "This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the trap now,
    we may never again have another chance.

    Remember, this is our first chance to do so in all the endless trillions of
    years of the past.

    Don't muff it now because it seems unpleasant or unsocial to do Seven,Eight,Nine
    and Ten.

    Do them and we'll win."

    Guy being thrown overboard is David Miscavige in his last body.

    He now regrets dropping it, it was taller and a bit more
    attractive than the asthmatic dwarf one he found in Philadelphia.
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  30. grebe Member

    I could be wrong, but I thought Neil and Mary were co-owners of The Blank Corporation, which gives money to Scientology.
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  31. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Two words:


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  32. Just a thought. but you apostate Scientologists are assuming much in this discussion. You assume that the institution functions as it did when you left it. this presupposes that there is no beast as change. If I were in the Scientolographers brain trust I would suggest test subjects. This is what I think these two are. Scientologists on a LONG leash. A look the other way type of mentality. At some point there must be an attempt to traverse the chasm between church and the dross of humanity. All religions make this journey. And the best way is to dip your feet in the water... Obviously jumping on Oprah's couch to exclaim you are not gay does not work... learning from your mistakes is a not so subtle way to find growth.
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  33. Anonymous Member

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  34. Anonymous Member


    Really? Tell us more...
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  35. What I meant to say is that the larger the cult grows the less it will be able to rely on cult like activities. Sooner rather then later they will have to amend their ways if they want to continue to grow. Most likely when this David Miscavige dies change will occur for the better.
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  36. Not a problem.
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  37. Anonymous Member

    So you're saying Scientology is not expanding?

    Just come out and say it. Say Tommy Davis is a liar.
  38. Random guy Member

    I suppose in this case it's more of a "shrivel up and die" than actually growing.
  39. anonanchovie Member

    I am certain that this theory is essentially flawed.

    I am also certain that you are grabbing the wrong end of the stick with regard to the 'apostate' argument. This is one that was as fallacious in its original form as it is when applied to the anon and ex-scientologist world. The apostate argument was designed to discredit the insider testimony of former members of cults, corporations and political parties. The fact is blatantly obvious, that the clearest and the most frank testimonies would surely be gleaned from former insiders. (Jeffery Wigand on Brown and Williamson for example).

    In terms of the cult changing as it (fail) gets bigger, again, this is a fundamentally flawed take on these things. If you look at the Catholic Church, the Jehovah Witness, even the Mormons, though they have modified some practices, the essential core remains the same. The Nationalist Socialists did not change much either as they gained a national membership in the tens of millions and got their grubby hands on the levers of power.

    Your comments point to your having little or no hands on experience with this cult and its history. The only changes you are likely to see in the event of the demise of David Miscavige is a better PR front, the rest wont change because it cannot change. It is a proscriptive cult, it is rigidly hierarchical and the very top of that hierarchy remains and always will remain the great fat bloated form of its degenerate in life and thankfully now very dead leader.

    the only positive hope I hold out for with scientology is the collapse that sprawling corporate and the corrupting influence of the institutional structure, CSI.

    It is partly from this insider view of the rigid cultic structure of scientology and its indoctrination of all members great and weak, that I inform my observational opinion that I simply do not see any traits of the scientologist in AFP, and do not see any traits of the active scientologist in DG.

    I have built an opinion based on observation from first hand experience. It is, I am quite sure, a valid basis from which to form a judgement.

    I will accept that I am wrong if I ever see their recent success stories attesting to their completion of The Scientology Basics check-sheets.
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  40. muldrake Member

    I disagree with both of you. I agree with St. Alban's general theory, in its logical reasoning, but disagree with its premise. Specifically, "if they want to continue to grow." This presumes facts not in evidence, that is, that Scientology is actually expanding. I would phrase that as "they will have to amend their ways" if they actually want to grow again, ever.

    However, I do not disagree that it is, in theory, possible for Scientology, like Mormonism before it, to reform into something socially acceptable. I think this is highly unlikely, because its current leader, the Napoleon of Nutz, David Miscavige, is completely out of touch with reality. Worse, he's still relatively young. Barring a miracle (for Scientology), this dwarf will still be in charge of the cult's kamikaze dive into failure for the rest of his life.

    I don't mind. There is nothing that will guarantee Scientology's demise more than this dwarf's leadership. While it is nice to imagine scenarios where he ends up in prison for life, that might actually be good for Scientology, a cult I think deserves to cease to exist entirely. There is nothing good in it, or at least nothing good enough to justify its continued existence.
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