Amazon TV series "The Boys" introduces the Church of the Collective, a Scientology doppelgänger

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  1. Workprint: The Boys Season 2 Episode 6 Review: Homelander Is The Ubermensch

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    We also get some minor reveals in this episode, mostly in that Queen Maeve can’t keep letting Homelander’s sins step aside as it’s killing both her relationship and identity (Vought has REALLY capitalized on her coming out with a lot of LGBTQ centered products), and that A-Train and The Deep become, well let’s just say, better friends in what looks like a parody of Scientology.

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  2. Yahoo Life: Lamplighter's Return to 'The Boys' Changes Everything About Season Two

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    Though the life of a member of the Seven is one of addressing adoring crowds, starring in action movies, and living in lush digs, life after a supe's stint on the all-star team is an entirely different thing. The Deep, removed from the team after sexually assaulting Starlight, is banished to Sandusky, Ohio. And though Vought is publicly spinning A-Train's departure as voluntary retirement, the speedster fights his forced retirement tooth and nail, and is so forlorn about his post-Seven prospects that he's considering joining the Deep in becoming a member of a Scientology-like religious group.

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  3. The AV Club: The Boys reveals Stormfront’s and Frenchie’s histories in the action-heavy “The Bloody Doors Off”

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    I would watch an animated show where the Deep just hangs out with his underwater friends, like halibut, those “rowdy motherfuckers.” Also, of course the Church of the Collective was going to use the Deep to try and recruit more supes like A-Train, another Scientology-like move (and one playing out in the HBO docuseries The Vow about the NXIVM MLM cult, too).

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  4. The news that the Amazon TV series "The Boys" features "a cult society inspired by Scientology" has again reached Italy:

    Wonder Channel: La 2° stagione di The Boys è così bella che fa sembrare le altre serie spazzatura

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    Parlando di altri personaggi, l’ex membro dei 7 Abisso (Chase Crawford) viene inserito in una società di culto che si ispira a Scientology. Abisso si è iscritto in questa organizzazione per tornare nei 7.

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    Speaking of other characters, the former member of the 7 Abyss (Chase Crawford) is placed in a cult society inspired by Scientology. Abisso joined this organization to return to the 7.

  5. AIPT: ‘The Boys’ season 2 episode 6 ‘The Bloody Doors Off’ recap/review

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    In Maeve’s case, her covert mission against Homelander is brilliantly juxtaposed with Elena getting a stark example of why her girlfriend didn’t want to bring work home. It also weaved in the Deep’s story, which continues to be silly, but at least feels more connected to the main plot. The parallels between The Church of the Collective and Scientology are obvious, but A-Train getting roped into things make it much more interesting.

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  6. The Hollywood News: The Boys’ Season 2 Episode 6 Review

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    A-Train and The Deep are now on the same path within the scientology-esque ‘religion’ that has them both convinced they will make their return to the Seven. Will these promises ultimately prove to be false? It’s hard to say, but there’s definitely a reason these two have been reunited and it’ll be intriguing to discover what that is.

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  7. Recenserie: The Boys 2x06 - The Bloody Doors Off

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    The Deep, A-Train e la Chiesa della Collettività

    Non è un segreto che The Boys abbia sempre proposto, attraverso la sua narrazione, una sorta di analisi e conseguente denuncia di alcune caratteristiche della società statunitense. Tenendo conto di ciò (e alla luce di quanto visto in questo sesto episodio), diventa ora più chiaro dove voglia andare a parare una delle sottotrame più discusse e confuse della serie, ovvero quella di The Deep.

    La Chiesa della Collettività, un ente che ha tutte le caratteristiche tipiche di una vera e propria setta, rimanda ormai in maniera abbastanza palese e voluta a una delle congreghe americane più conosciute e contoverse: la Chiesa di Scientology. Senza approfondire troppo un argomento spinoso come questo, basti far presente che uno dei tratti riconosciuti di Scientology sia quello di ricercare il supporto e l’appoggio di celebrità (principalmente del mondo del cinema), in modo non dissimile a quanto visto con The Deep nelle scorse puntate. Così come Scientology aiutava alcuni degli attori ad essa affiliata ad ottenere provini e parti importanti, allo stesso modo la Chiesa della Collettività si adopera affinché The Deep risolva i propri conflitti interiori e possa tornare all’interno dei Sette.

    Anche la presenza ricorrente delle bibite Fresca ha probabilmente a che fare con la vera natura di questo culto. “Drinking the Kool-Aid” è una tipica espressione americana che fa riferimento a un tragico suicidio di massa avvenuto a Jonestown sotto la guida del leader religioso Jim Jones e sta a indicare la volontà di credere ciecamente a qualcuno guidati da una sorta di fede simil-religiosa. In questo senso, la Fresca potrebbe essere un rimando proprio a questo concetto, un richiamo dunque alla fede che ripongono i suoi adepti nelle dottrine della setta.

    Non è ancora chiaro ora a cosa porterà il coinvolgimento di A-Train in tutto ciò, ma è evidente come anche questa sottotrama sta via via assumendo più importanza.

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    The Deep, A-Train and the Church of the Collective

    It is no secret that The Boys has always proposed, through its narrative, a kind of analysis and consequent denunciation of certain characteristics of American society. Taking this into account (and in light of what we saw in this sixth episode), it now becomes clearer where he wants to go to parry one of the most discussed and confusing subplots of the series, namely that of The Deep.

    The Church of the Collectivity,an entity that has all the typical characteristics of a real sect, now refers quite clearly and willingly to one of america's most well-known and controversial congregations: the Church of Scientology. Without delving too deeply into a thorny topic like this, it is enough to point out that one of the recognized traits of Scientology is to seek the support and support of celebrities (mainly from the world of cinema), in a way not dissimilar to what we have seen with The Deep in recent episodes. Just as Scientology helped some of its affiliated actors obtain auditions and important parts, the Church of Collectivity also strives to resolve its inner conflicts and return to the Seven.

    Even the recurring presence of fresh drinks probably has to do with the true nature of this cult. "Drinking the Kool-Aid" is a typical American expression that refers to a tragic mass suicide in Jonestown under the leadership of religious leader Jim Jones and indicates a willingness to blindly believe someone guided by a kind of religious-like faith. In this sense, the Fresca could be a reference to this very concept, a reference to the faith that her followers place in the doctrines of the sect.

    It is not yet clear what A-Train's involvement will lead to in all this, but it is clear that this subploy is also becoming more important.

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  9. Scientology disconnection comes to the Amazon TV series "The Boys."

    Entertainment Weekly: The Boys recap: Dads say the darndest things

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    At Alastair’s birthday bash, A-Train gives the Deep a gift to make amends for past hostilities, and they hug it out. Alastair joins them, asking their opinion about Eagle the Archer. The Deep praises his Church of the Collective comrade, only to have Alastair inform them both that Eagle is out of the church; he’s a “toxic” person who’s failed the program, and everyone must cut ties with him immediately. This Scientology-esque act of rejection/erasure surprises both the Deep and A-Train.

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  10. Is the Church of Scientology the Collective popping people's heads?

    Another News: The Boys Season 2: Who Is Popping People’s Heads?

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    The Church of the Collective?

    One prime suspect for the head-poppings is the Church of the Collective. The Scientology-like cult that The Deep and A-Train have joined consorts with supes–obviously–so they might well have someone in their stable who’s capable of this specific power.

    More importantly, do they have a motive? Look back at the conversation between Alistair, the church’s leader, and The Deep/A-Train at Alistair’s birthday party in this episode. According to Alistair, he has a meeting with Stan Edgar soon, and A-Train and The Deep are all but back on The Seven. The Church has a vested interest in Vought staying in business–after all, they’re this close to infiltrating the company’s highest and most public ranks with two high-profile Church members.

    At the same time, it benefits the Church to get rid of Shockwave–The Seven only need one speedster, after all, and if the Church gets its way, that speedster will be A-Train. Lo and behold, who’s the only supe whose head got popped at the hearing? None other than Shockwave. Coincidence? Maybe we’ll find out in the Season 2 finale.

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  11. AV Club: The Boys’ penultimate season 2 episode is one of its most disturbing

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    In another “Yes, obviously this is Scientology” moment, we learn that the Church of the Collective has banned Eagle the Archer for being a “toxic” personality.

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  12. More on Scientology disconnection coming to the Amazon TV series "The Boys."

    Nerdcore Movement: ‘The Boys’ Recap ‘Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker’: Internal Combustion

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    Before going to limbo his heart away from the night, Alastair informs Deep that his friend Eagle the Archer — the one who introduced him to the church in the first place — has been excommunicated and he’s no longer allowed to associate with anyone from the Church of the Collective. Obviously this is scientology without calling it scientology but as much as Deep wanted to call Eagle the Archer his friend, he wants the power of the church behind him in order to return to The Seven.

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  13. Soda and Telepaths: The Boys Season 2 Episode 7 : Butcher, Baker, Candlestick Maker Review

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    While I really wish there was a lot more Deep in this episode, the few scenes he had were some of the bluntest mockery of Scientology, the mockery hitting its peak with Eagle the Archer being shut out by the church in a manner similar to disconnection techniques used by the Church of Scientology. I do want them to go in a little harder on this ribbing of Scientology because it’s absolutely needed… maybe next season? Hell, hire Leah Remini and really just go for broke.

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  14. Screen Rant: The Boys Theory: Vought & The Church Of The Collective Are Working Together

    Season 2 of The Boys has introduced the Church of the Collective, and now episode 7 hints at the possibility that the Church is working with Vought.

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    The Boys season 2 introduced the Church of the Collective, a parody of Scientology and The Deep’s storyline for the season - but it's possible they're working with Vought. So far, The Deep and the Church have been kept separated from the main plot, but episode 7 might’ve hinted that Vought and the Church of the Collective are, in fact, working together. And their plans involve The Deep, A-Train, and Vought’s Compound V experiments on adults discovered by the Boys in episode 6, “The Bloody Doors Off”.

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  15. Gamespot: The Boys Season 2 Episode 7: 34 Easter Eggs And Comics References You Might Have Missed

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    20. Toxic personality

    Alistair informs The Deep and A-Train that Eagle the Archer, who appeared in episodes earlier this season, is now a "toxic personality" as far as the Church of the Collective is concerned. This is a play on the Scientology concept of a "suppressive person," which is what Scientologists label anyone who leaves the cult or speaks out against it.

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  16. Oh, please dear Xenu no, please don't let this be real world foreshadowing.

    Vulture: The Boys Season-Finale Recap: Thoughts and Prayers

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    Stan Edgar, the head of Vought, is meeting with Alastair Adana, the leader of the Church of the Collective, revealing the connection between the most powerful corporation in this world and the show’s version of Scientology.

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    Space Spores!

    Gamespot: The Boys Season 2 Finale: Everything You Might Have Missed In Episode 8

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    27. Space spores

    The Deep references part of the Church of the Collective's beliefs during his rant to Alistair, relating to humanity being born from "space spores." This is a reference to Scientology's core belief tenets, which involve aliens and are pretty far out.

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    The phrase "pretty far out" links to:

  17. The Mary Sue: We Need To Talk About That Twist Reveal on The Boys’ Season Two Finale

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    In the last few minutes of The Boys, we see Goran Visnjic’s Alistair Adana—a sort of David Miscavige string-puller figure in the show’s version of Scientology—on the phone with Congresswoman Victoria Neuman (Claudia Doumit).

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  18. Starloggers: The Boys’ Second Season Beats The Sophomore Curse

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    There is another percolating subplot concerning a cult, called the Church of the Collective, modeled on Scientology, that has strong sociopolitical ties. Two former members of the Seven, A-Train (Jesse T. Usher) and the Deep (Chace Crawford) become members of the church and through them we see its hypocrisy and corruptive influence. It is clear the Church of the Collective will have more screen time in the next season as will Congresswoman Victoria Neuman (Claudia Doumit), an anti-superhero politician with her own agenda.

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  19. In season three of the Amazon TV series "The Boys," the character The Deep is "gonna be like Leah Remini in fighting back against the cult."

    IGN: The Boys Season 3 Will See The Deep Fight Back Against the Cult

    "He’s gonna be like Leah Remini..."

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    Kripke likened The Deep to "the Forrest Gump of Hollywood trends" in that he always seems to be caught up in something newsworthy. "In Season 1, he was embroiled in a #MeToo moment. And in Season 2, we’re like, 'All right — he should be like Allison Mack and go join a cult,'" said Kripke.

    "And then in season three he’s gonna be like Leah Remini in fighting back against the cult," Kripke added, referencing Remini's series depicting her fight against Scientology. "He’s just going to keep blowing through these different Hollywood points. The idea of him trying to self-realize when he’s just such an idiot was entertaining to us."

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  20. "We’re Living in the Dumbest Dystopia": 'The Boys' Boss on His Superhero Hit

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    The Hollywood Reporter caught up with the show's 46-year-old creator, Eric Kripke (also creator of the long-running CW hit Supernatural), to explore the show's anti-fascist underpinnings, its jabs at Hollywood cults like Scientology and NXIVM and why Marvel movies led to a leader like Donald Trump. [Some season two spoilers follow.]


    There’s a few things that resonated with me this season that I’d like to talk about: First is the Church of the Collective. Is that something from the comics or your own creation?

    We came up with it. It’s a combination of a couple different Hollywood fringe religions or cults. There’s a little bit of NXIVM in there. Everyone says, "Oh, that’s Scientology." It’s actually a smoothie of a bunch of different ones. It mostly came about because we love writing for The Deep. For us, The Deep is the Forrest Gump of Hollywood trends. So in season one, he was embroiled in a #MeToo moment. And in season two, we’re like, "All right — he should be like Allison Mack and go join a cult." And then in season three he’s gonna be like Leah Remini in fighting back against the cult. He’s just going to keep blowing through these different Hollywood points. The idea of him trying to self-realize when he’s just such an idiot was entertaining to us.

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  21. Business Insider NL: What we know so far about season 3 of ‘The Boys’

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    The Deep will fight the Church of the Collective, similar to a real-life celebrity

    The Deep’s (Chace Crawford) season two journey centered on him joining the Church of the Collective after reaching rock-bottom in Sandusky, Ohio. The church, which is more like a cult, promised the supe that he’d be able to earn his spot back in The Seven if he followed their teachings.

    By the end of the season, The Deep was left disgruntled with the church after learning that A-Train (Jessie T. Usher) would be reinstated in The Seven instead of him. Plus, he signed over his bank accounts to the church and married a woman they selected for him.

    [Showrunner Eric ] Kripke told The Hollywood Reporter that next season, The Deep is “gonna be like Leah Remini in fighting back against the cult.”

    Remini left Scientology in 2013 and has since slammed the organization in her 2015 memoir, “Troublemaker: Surviving Hollywood and Scientology,” and her Emmy-winning docuseries, “Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath.”

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    CBR: The Boys Season 2: 10 Biggest Changes From The Comics

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    The Church is obviously supposed to be similar to the Church of Scientology, which is also known to be a controversial "religion" that persecutes and discredits members who leave, similar to what happened to Eagle the Archer in the show. Deep also makes a reference to Scientology's story of Xenu, saying "And when I found out we're all just space spores, I didn't laugh."

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  22. National Review: The Brilliant, Scabrous Satire of The Boys

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    That wife-auditioning sequence, and many others, call to mind the Church of Scientology’s influence over the industry; in the show, the “Church of the Collective” is deeply ingrained in the workings of Vought International just as Scientology exercises influence in Hollywood. On the surface it seems harmless, but behind the scenes it deploys weird control techniques and keeps files on the dirty secrets of its members.

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  23. I have regularly posted stories recognizing that The Church of the Collective in the Amazon TV series "The Boys" is a parody or satire of Scientology.

    Scientology apologist Massimo Introvigne, the founder of CESNUR, has responded to these stories.

    Bitter Winter: From Charlie Hebdo to “The Boys”: “Freedom of Expression” vs. Religious Liberty

    Where exactly lies the limit between free speech and hate speech that offends members of a religion? Many discuss Charlie Hebdo—but it is not the only case. The Boys is another pop culture example.

    by Massimo Introvigne

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    There is one paradigmatic case illustrating these problems. It concerns the American TV series “The Boys,” airing since 2019 through Amazon Prime Video.


    Mainline religion is protected by its being mainline, which is not a reason to gratuitously offend it. It is much worse when religious minorities are attacked. “The Boys” TV series has a subplot involving something called Church of the Collective, a manipulative “cult” that manages to lure two of the superheroes. Eventually, the Church’s leader dies when his head explodes in an incident caused by a congresswoman, and former CIA agent’s, own superpowers.


    As for the Church of the Collective, Kripke publicly stated that any similarity between this fictional religion and the Church of Scientology “may be entirely coincidental and have nothing to do with satirizing (or condemning) the practices of Scientology.”

    This statement notwithstanding, a quick Google search would lead to the conclusion that media have interpreted the Church of the Collective as a parody of Scientology. Those hostile to Scientology also used “The Boys” as a tool to promote a negative image of this new religion.

    It would appear that the problem here lies with certain media, yet the scriptwriters, directors, and producers of “The Boys” are not entirely innocent. Just as they did with respect to Christian Evangelical large events with their fictional Believe Expo, with the Church of the Collective, they incorporated a number of anti-Scientology myths into story lines about a fictional religion. Those even only vaguely familiar with anti-Scientology literature would recognize it for what it is, and could easily view the hate speech against Scientology as vindicated and validated by a popular TV show.

    Some may object that, unlike in other instances where hate speech has resulted in violence against religious minorities, nobody has been killed because of “The Boys.” Maybe, but in recent years there have been several violent incidents where members of the Church of Scientology have been attacked by individuals who had been persuaded by television shows and extreme websites that Scientology is an evil that should be stopped.

    On January 3, 2019, a teenager broke into the premises of the Church of Scientology in Sydney, Australia, believing that his mother, who was participating in Church activities there, was in danger and had to be “rescued.” While he was being escorted out of the building, he stabbed a Scientologist to death, and seriously wounded another. There is little doubt that TV and web accounts of Scientology played a role in motivating the violent actions of this youth.

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  24. Aardwolf Member

    The reason people believe Scientology is evil is because it is evil and you don't need to watch a tv show to figure that out.

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