I looked into the torture thing a while back. Some guys ran a training program to help active duty soldiers deal with the threat of torture. They had info about how China and North Korea tortured prisoners which they shared. How useful, I dunno. Anyway, the dudes retired but started consulting companies. When 9/11 happened they said they were experts in coercive interviewing techniques. But this time instead of helping POWs cope they were on the other side, instructing soldiers in how to scare the shit out of enemy prisoners. So the US hired con artists, basically. And since nobody was a torture expert, nobody could call bullshit on the guys at the top running the program. Also, all the social factors that create true believers were in play so now there are people in the military who believe torture works. Even without the secret stuff we have plenty of info in the public domain about this stupid torture program to remove all credibility from it. I could dig up the old info but it took a while. A lot was on Wikipedia. Ok here is one of the assholes: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Elmer_Mitchell Mitchell got 81 million dollars to make shit up based on watching the Prisoner, Man from U.N.C.L.E, and listening to a few tapes of LRH talking about pain-drug-hypnosis tech. Ok I made up everything after "81 million dollars." But I bet I am not far off.