Re: Anonymous: The Book haha, yesterday I figured I wouldnt do it, but I changed my mind today and posted this thread ^^ Also, difference, in this thread, I am not the author, you guys are xD
Re: Anonymous: The Book Call me what you want, but I still don't like the idea of involving money, this might just cause more drama than anything. I'm pretty sure there are other ways to do this without involving profit. Also, just want to make one thing clear, the mods are not our ''leaders'' in any way, so please stop talking like they have more of a say on anything than any of us Other than that, I like the project, all you need to make it happen, is to actually make it happen, no need for approval by mods or to ask them to handle any money. Just get organized, create the project, try to raise interest, and see where it goes from there....
Re: Anonymous: The Book idk that is a good question. also guys I think I have a solution to the money issue. What if we donated all of it to antiscientology organizations or something like that? Or we could take none of it, and just let the publisher take there half and have the other half be taken off of the price, thus making the product cheaper (someone has already suggested this I think).
Re: Anonymous: The Book Bridge Publications is located in Los Angeles and publishes Hubbard’s books for the west. New Era Publications is located in Denmark and distributes Hubbard’s books to the rest of the world
Re: Anonymous: The Book So essentially it's vanity publishing then, from what i can see from a quick google? Since LRH's works are the main things (only???) they seem to publish? (Sry am at work so can't look in depth myself.)
Re: Anonymous: The Book If any money is made, donate 100% of the profits to victims of fair game or ex-scns who are having financial problems (as many do when they are just out of the church). Some of the OG can administer it. There, problem solved. I would recommend focusing on the Co$ and their crimes rather than on anon and "how we got involved." We have no face, we have no story, we are not important.
Re: Anonymous: The Book AlbanyAnon .... what makes someone 'qualified' to write a book ?... sounds incredibly gay and the potential for fail is huge (and ALOT of work with little reward re: taking down CoS [chanology is but one small part of anonymous after all]).... if you feel like writing why dont you contribute to the whatisanonymous project .... chances are you are not going to get 100 people to help you write a book ... and any publisher would prob not take on such a project anyway as it would be an editors nightmare .... blue sky thinking is fun ... but it would be much more constructive for you to contribute to the whatisanpnymous wiki / website project.
Re: Anonymous: The Book And who's to say he/we can't work on both? Anons decide their own level of involvement and writing about something closer to home is a much less daunting task than trying to tackle anything related to the Co$. I'm not saying this has to be like Anonymous Weekly, where there are little pictorial spreads where the Anon talks about their turn-ons and turn-offs or anything, but I think it would be invaluable to speak about these things from our perspectives and talk about what got us interested in joining the fight. And those things usually are the injustices and criminal practices of the organization. Humanizing it even just that much, to be able to speak about it from that perspective has the possibility of opening many eyes. None of us are special, but that's the whole point: our focus and the focus of this whole thing has been to destroy Co$ and help the followers get away. Each of us exposing one of the many things that's scary about the cult in our own words until it all comes together like one horrible global puzzle. If you don't want to be involved in the project, fine - fuck off and do your own thing, but don't bawwww about nobody working on the damn Wiki and say that that's more constructive. That's not for you to say! I can't work on the Wiki. My knowledge of the cult isn't nearly extensive enough that I would feel comfortable even trying to start writing Wiki entries about the issues. Better I leave that alone than make a hash of it and just create more work for the wikianons. And as for the issue of money - I agree with whoever said that it causes problems. I absolutely agree. I'm thinking we do an independent/self-produced print and just send boxes of copies to the raid teams throughout the country (the world?) for distribution for free. If the people want to donate money in exchange for the book, just say - no, thanks, but if you really want to help, you can give money to the Lisa McPherson Trust or get in touch with the folks at 1-866-XSeaOrg and tell 'em Anon sent them.
Re: Anonymous: The Book Call me what you want, but I still don't like the idea of involving money, this might just cause more drama than anything >but I still don't like the idea of involving money, cause more drama than anything >> idea of involving money, more drama than anything >>> involving money, more drama >>>>> money,drama
Re: Anonymous: The Book Call me what you want, but I still don't like the idea of involving money, this might just cause more drama than anything >but I still don't like the idea of involving money, cause more drama than anything >idea of involving money, more drama than anything >involving money, more drama >money,drama
Re: Anonymous: The Book As far as the financial problem goes, that is a genius solution. In fact, why isnt there a charity or something for that? Anyways, I think that the more attention anti-scientology (that is, anti-CoS) can get, whether its from anon or not, will damage the public image of the church, thus causing less people to join. If people see anonymous as the primary proponent of anti-CoS, then it will be simpler and more efficient in getting more people to be anti-CoS, considering right now the only major way people join is through occasional references in Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan. Usually I would say that we need an anti-CoS book, however considering there are no public Anti-CoS groups that have the influence, presence, and public curiosity (whether it is desirable or not, the public, having heard about us only through vague and mysterious circumstances such as fox11 and live protests, is very curious about us), we have some obligation to answer there questions in an accessible medium (such as a published, widely distributed book). I will admit, in the book we would focus on our history, BUT, remember, the book is about Anonymous, not project chanology (although that will be the main focus of the book, it will not be the ONLY focus). If there was a book about anonymous, I would have appreciated it when I was just getting into anonymous. I thought anonymous meant 4chan. There are many people who are as confused as I was, and many more people who are much more confused than that.
Re: Anonymous: The Book I dont intend to submit this to a publisher until it is completely done. It will have ben scrutinously editted by all of us, and there will have to be a single person who will make the final edit (sorry, but its for practical purposes that this must be done). The publisher would not have a reason to care about how the book came into being (although we would state it in the prologue), thus, the actual editor who finally reads over it will have minimal jurisdiction, and will be limited to advice/grammatical error (of which there would be little anyways). We do not necessarily need 100 people. That would be ideal but like you said it is merely blue sky thinking. Even if me and someone else do this by ourselves, what is most important is that it is submitted to anonymous to be reviewed and accepted before it is submitted to a publisher. That way I cannot simply submit my interpretation of anonymous.
Re: Anonymous: The Book I agree, as you said we will donate it to those who haev lost their livelyhood to fair game, or simply have lost significant finances to the church.
Re: Anonymous: The Book Bridge Publications, Inc. is a Californian non-profit corporation. It is based in Los Angeles, California, and is the Church of Scientology's North American publishing corporation. It publishes the Scientology and nonfiction works of L. Ron Hubbard. Outside of North America, this is done under the New Era Publications name, based in Copenhagen. Thats from the wikipedia
Re: Anonymous: The Book I'm afraid your IRC log from two days ago still worries me, AlbanyAnon. I'm not sure that this should be done in the name of any one Anon. The Lisa McPherson Trust closed in November 2001.
Re: Anonymous: The Book I'm sure there's some kind of organization that we could give proceeds to. Perhaps Wise Beard Man?
Re: Anonymous: The Book THANK YOU!!! This looks very promising! Now, there is a possible problem that I see from this: Advertising the book. With a publisher, they could advertise it for us, and distribute it to well known book stores for us. How will we do that? I will definitely take a deeper look into this site, and hopefully it will really work for us. Since I dont think we are gonna get much more attention about this project, do you think we should put it up on Current Projects? If we do, should we try to get it stickied?
Re: Anonymous: The Book Also, this site looks expensive, and since I would never ask Anon for any money, how will I pay for it? (100 books will costs about 500$ to make)
Re: Anonymous: The Book actually, disregard that last post, I figured out a way to pay for it... i will get a job xD
Re: Anonymous: The Book maybe I should pay for the books myself and give them out for free at protests and send them for free to areas where there will be major protests?
Re: Anonymous: The Book Do you even have a general idea of a synopsis of this book? You said you wanted it to be about Anonymous in general and not just anti-scn Anonymous - have you really thought that through? Because if you namefag yourself in connection with such an undertaking you will inevitably be immortalized on ED for whatever faggotry /b/ deems you guilty of..it could potentially haunt you for the rest of your online life. If you want the primary focus of the book to be Chanology then it's just going to be viewed as propoganda by the general public if it's self-published by anons..like how most people see the scilons dianetics pitch as "buy our book, assimilate our ideology".. so the level of interest may be considerably lower than youre anticipating. Possibily a book about the internets vs scn would have a broader appeal (check Scientology_and_the_Internet on wikipedia) because theres a lot of interesting history in addition to Chanology.
Re: Anonymous: The Book There doesn't need to be any namefagging done if published through LuLu though, right? I have a friend who put out a comic through them under his interwebs pseudonyme after all.
Re: Anonymous: The Book I am not sure yet, I am gonna work on a basic outline for the book though, like, planning a rough draft and stuff. Right now im working on the prologue....I definitely think I underestimated the difficulty involved though, so this should take me at least a few weeks to finish a basic outline.
Re: Anonymous: The Book 5$ for book is expansive to you? hm ... I wouldn't give it for free, people tend to value it more if they payed for it even little (5$ is really nothing) you would get scilons and ignorant public take it and toss it in nearest trash, that's not the way. It wouldn't be perceived as propaganda if you clearly state that it's written by anonymous about anonymous as our own image of ourselves. It would be propaganda if you tried to hide anonymous association and claimed it's independent or approved somehow by some authority. But I don't think this book will come into being, it's really huge project and every anon has his own description of anonymous for what it means to him and how he perceives it ... it's not possible (or extremely difficult) to condense that into coherent writing. Maybe individual anons could write what anonymous is for them, what it means to them and how an individual anon is describing anonymous and a book could be made by collection of these stories + some outsider opinions of anonymous, that could be interesting. Maybe some thought experiment how "anonymous culture" would work, what are advantages and cons of such a collective with examples of actions by anonymous to date ... just some brainstorming
Re: Anonymous: The Book ah yes i definately see your point. on the irc we pretty much decided that it would be impossible to write a good book about anon, so I decided to write it about project chanology instead, that just seems more realistic, amirite?
Re: Anonymous: The Book This would either be an extreme to one side of the scale, either EPIC win or fail. A book that would have the voice of anonymous would have to represent the whole. I'm for the idea but it must be done with the majority of Anons viewpoints (on chanology atleast) in mind. It will need to be discussed and proof read by many anons. Of course, not on any public forum, it would have to be done discreetly so avoid scifags. i'm for it, but Anonymous as a whole will need to give it much thought, consideration, and finally, the majorities approval before publishing.
Re: Anonymous: The Book Yeah, it would have to be spread over whole spectrum of anons and I think it wouldn't have to be "approved" by majority it could contain poll results at each opinions end how many anons agree, are neutral or disagree ... that could be nice because also less literate anons would get voice and it would illustrate diversity of anon ... It's completely possible to do it in public, on enturb for example as it's hard for them to influence it in major way, they don't have accounts here and it would be obvious if they tried. Also if some kind of survey would be done on 4chan there is so many people scifags would be just lost in the crowd ...
Re: Anonymous: The Book PROTIP: Combating the cult legally almost always ends in failure. One should stay away from adding anything copyrighted by the cult. However, If the book is credited to ANONYMOUS (no specific name) then who the fuck could they sue?
Re: Anonymous: The Book I will definitely make sure to post it publicly on forums first, so that I can get the opinions of as many anons as possible, that way I can continuously edit it to please as many anons as possible.
Re: Anonymous: The Book Albany, no offense, but I really REALLY hope you do your homework for this if you really plan to do it. Just the fact that you weren't aware that the Lisa Mcphearson Trust is closed since 2001 rings the *does he know wtf he's talkin about* bell for me.... If you're planning on writing a book about chanology, or internet vs scientology, a good way to start would be to actually get informed on the main issues that you are going to cover? And again, I don't mean to offend you or anything, you seem to lack this knowledge... That being said, I admire your motivation and determination to do something effective to spread the word and I believe that you do this with the best intentions. But this is a very hard subject to grasp, and you have no writing experience, so I ask of you to consider being realistic about it. Are there other, more realistic ways to make something similar happen? I'm thinking about a booklet maybe, something you can print yourself and distribute online for others to print easily. That contains the most important info. Something like, ''an introduction to anonymous activism'' or ''The internet Vs Scientology how this came to be?'' I know my titles suggestions suck but you'll hopefully get the idea and come up with something better. I hope that doesn't convey bad over the interwebs with my bad english and all. My only intention here is to share my honest thoughts about the idea and hopefully contribute to make it something maybe a bit more realistic.
Re: Anonymous: The Book ^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS Albany, really no offense but you sound like total newfag ... that's ok if you don't push things and overestimate your abilities, so if you're coordinating/kicking others to do it, that's the role I can imagine you at If you try to write about history of anon/chronology/events you should have serious knowledge ... but then, no one will stop you from trying and you're going to get feedback so there is no harm if you give it a shot maybe I'll be surprised. i think good approach would be publishing parts online for example here: What Is Anonymous? - Home and when there is enough quality material to glue it together, make pdf for easy distribution and put it to lulu.com (maybe give it some open-source like license like GNU GNU Free Documentation License - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation (FSF))
Re: Anonymous: The Book The reasons I am going to write a book are mainly the same reason that I intend to protest the Church of Scientology: because I can, and because I enjoy it. So who cares if the book turns out to be shit? At least I will enjoy writing it. As far as being a newfag, I am mostly new to chanology, but let me tell you, I have been fapping on /b/ for years xD So, while perhaps I am not to experienced with this particular extension of Anonymous, I have also, for quite some time, been actively engaged in another of its extensions. It is essential to Anonymous, in my opinion, that each of the various parts of anonymous are considered (at least to a major extent) equal, that is to say that chanology anons are not necessarily a more important part of Anonymous than /b/tards, or ED, etc. While Anons of one distinct sub-culture may consider me a newfag to their group, they would likewise be a newfag in my group.
Re: Anonymous: The Book wut? you r so srs ... lol You don't have to list your "accomplishments" to me or anybody else, I don't care if you've been on /b/ or not ... book is intriguing idea and I said that by all means go for it ... but I also noticed you sound like newfag, especially nao this post of yours LOL If you take it as an insult and be butthurt about it you're SERIOUS newfag indeed tl;dr LURK MOAR & write the fucking book ...
Re: Anonymous: The Book I know that this is irrelevent, but how many Chanaology Anons do you think exist? Cause poppins said that there are just under 17,000 registered accounts, but since accounts which are inactive for over three months get deleted (cant remember exactly how she put it), there are probably much more of us than our current member count would suggest... like I said, not really relevant, but still interesting imo
