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Another death at NN Arrowhead, July 19th 2012

Discussion in 'Narconon' started by peterstorm, Jul 19, 2012.

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  1. patriot75 Member

    still the question of the day....
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  2. Internetzin Member

    Its echoing, and curiously getting louder!
  3. Anonymous Member

    Makes it hard to blame the victim.
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  4. Internetzin Member

    Not something they are used to, having info they can't use against people to get them to submit to cos's will. Frustrated Butthurt Gary?
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  5. Anonymous Member

    The court will decide in the meantime NN arrowhead will go out of business and legislation to shut down quacks like NN in the future will be enacted.
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  6. Internetzin Member

    From your lips to xenu's ears
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  7. eddieVroom Member

    I'm having trouble getting to new user registration so I can comment on the story, but the question of why they want to bury this has come up. I'm guessing that those "records on staff misconduct" include remediation -- and those could be pure uncut 100% "standard" scientology sec checking.
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  8. BigBeard Member

    Standard $cilon operating procedure to try to seal and block the release of everything. If nothing else, getting it unsealed/unblocked drives up the costs to the other side. Just look at the Desmond case in Georgia for the latest example. They've even tried to get things sealed that had already gone public in other cases.

    BigBeard
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  9. mongrel Member

    I'm guessing it would show exactly how incompetent and utter unqualified the "staff" really are.
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  10. eddieVroom Member

    Not to mention incompetent administration and a quality control cycle that may violate some global human rights treaties.

    I also seem to recall that several jurisdictions frown upon the use of "lie detectors" in the course of employee management.
  11. another123 Member

    tulsaworld: Narconon fights judge's order to release staff records

    a little more info added to the story. Seems Narconon is using the 'ol have cake, eat it too defense.
  12. Anonymous Member

    ORLY?


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    more here:

    Current advertised California Narconon Staff salaries
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  13. RightOn Member

    not to mention the kits they sell.
    Anyone can open a Narconon according to their sales pitch!
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  15. DeathHamster Member

    Or at least, why are they still open to new admissions during the investigation?
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  16. Internetzin Member

    Trust scilons to wring every last penny before they get shut for good.
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  17. Anonymous Member


    I think parents, family and supporters of NN closing need to take a visit to the Seantor's office and put it on film
  18. RightOn Member

    Some sign ideas if there is a protest at the OK's Senators office or the DA's office or wherever it will count:

    ONE MORE DEATH AT NARCONON OK, IS NOT OK!
    SHUT 'EM DOWN!

    HOW MANY WILL DIE?
    SHUT 'EM DOWN!

    WHY IS NARCONON STILL ACCEPTING PATIENTS?
    SHUT 'EM DOWN!

    WILL YOU BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR NOT SHUTTING THEM DOWN?

    PROTECT OUR FAMILES AND CITIZENS FROM NARCONON!
    SHUT 'EM DOWN!

    THE DA IS DRAGGING THEIR HEELS WHILE PEOPLE SUFFER!
    SHUT 'EM DOWN!

    SEVEN DEATHS AND THEY ARE STILL OPEN!
    WHY?
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  19. Anonymous Member

    Scientology has blackmail or payola for those who could stop them?
  20. anonysamvines Member

    copied over from another thread (I have a Thetan who does things to my mirror and it's annoying. What Should I Do?)

    it may be helpful for legislators to be aware of stuff like this. (and the diy narconon starter kits and how to open your own narconon stuff on amazon).
    it is important that not only are the rehabs are of good quality but also that anyone advising on which rehab to go to is too!
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  21. anonysamvines Member

    would be delish if we could get hold of one of those ^^^ free information packs

    Oh Santa baby .....
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  22. The Wrong Guy Member

    It may be due to its Facebook privacy settings that the post is no longer visible on the page where it appeared last February:

    Narconon Arrowhead Field Representatives www.facebook.com/narconon.representatives
  23. patriot75 Member

    Bert is the Man!!!!! Thanks Brother!
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  24. RightOn Member

    This post was made Sept 6th ^^^
    It is now Sept 14th
    sooooo......
    WHY ARE THEY STILL OPEN?
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  25. Anonymous Member

    This was posted in 2003-2006 on a blog
    I know Aungst is no longer the Mayor Clearwater
    Don't know if this is off any interest. I never heard of "Straight" or "PAR"

    It is some crazy stuff! I don't even know what to make of it?

    The blog also shows:
    "Susan Latvala models a hot pink party dress with feather boa at a Scientology"

    "Since closing for charges of criminal child abuse Straight has heavily infiltrated PAR. Pinellas Commissioner Susan Latvala directs PAR and is on Straight's (under its current name Drug Free America Foundation) Advisory Board. Her husband Jack is the former chairman of the Florida Republican Party. Check her out above (4) modeling a dress at a Scientology™-backed function.
    PAR is referring clients to Narconon™ and 6th Circuit Judges Alan and Babb like Narconon™ (Judge Rushing likes Criminon™).

    A former director of the DEA is on Straight's (DFAF) Advisory Board.

    And former mental health specialist and Drug Czar Robert DuPont was a Straight consultant! Clearwater Mayor Brian Aungst has declared Narconon Day and Jeb Bush has declared Betty Sembler Day in honor of Straight cofounder Betty Sembler."


    "Straight was founded in Pinellas County Florida six months after the Church of Scientology™ moved its Naval Headquarters land base there. Two major cults involved in addiction treatment founded at the same place and at the same time. There are many other similarities between Straight and Scientology. For example critics have accused both of using confessions to control members and of sometimes restricting the diets of some members to large helpings of leguminous plants."

    moar.....
    http://republicanpartyandcults.blogspot.com/

    Info on Straight from another link:

    "From 1976-1985 it was known as Straight, Inc. and had a reputation for abusing kids as a drug rehabilitation program. In 1985 it changed its name to Straight Foundation, Inc. in order to protect its money and its principals from civil suits. In 1995 it was changed again to Drug Free America Foundation. DFAF is a national and international drug policy think tank and provider of services for drug free work places."
    http://drugfreeamericafoundation.blogspot.com/2005/11/late-great-straight-holocaust-and.html
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  26. BigBeard Member

    For anyone that wants to dig through 990's for NN connections:

    EIN: 591662427
    DRUG FREE AMERICA FOUNDATION INC
    5999 CENTRAL AVE STE 301
    ST PETERSBURG FL 33710-8535
    GEN: 0000 (Not part of a group)
    Status: 03 (501c3)
    Affiliate: 3 (Independent Organization)

    BigBeard
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  27. Anonymous Member

    I remember Straight it was pure brainwashing those kids got back to school and were like robots after that program.

    One night a friend of mine who never came to my house showed up shirtless with no shoes and my Mom told me he was at the door. I knew where he had been so we stepped outside to talk about what was going on. He had just escaped he got his hands on a razor blade and made the adult driving the car let him out. But not without a little struggle he had been cut himself in the process. I smuggled him in the side window of the house got him some clothes and gave him a place to hide out. He never was a bad kid I was much worse, he went on to get married and have kids along with a good job.

    He wasn't the only one of my friends that Straight got it's hands on there were others once they came out they were brainwashed some longer than others, some never really came back. I never knew till now that Straight was Scio in disguise I was witness to what they did to so many of my teenage friends. This just makes me even more determined to bring down scio these people are disgusting.

    Operation Par is a Legitimate drug rehab, just to make sure of what I already knew I just called and spoke with a contact at their facility. They use Peer-Reviewed treatment protocols and procedures with their clients.
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  28. Anonymous Member

    But does PAR still refer people top Narconon?

    and according to that blog Straight was doing some insane testing on kids?
    I can't understand how this was allowed? Scary
  29. billybob Member

    Straight shares a lot of characteristics in common with Narconon and the RPF system. While having nothing to do with Scientology, it was once seen as the flagship of youth rehabilitation programs and lent some legitimacy to many similar programs with ego-busting techniques.

    The Straight program is one of the original "tough love" boot-camp style rehabs for "troubled youth."
    Based on the same principles as armed forces boot camps, the program is designed to break down the kids personality (ego-busting) and then build them back up into good kids. The program also relies heavily on peer pressure, putting veterans of the program in charge of the newer students.

    As you might guess, this practice is easily corrupted, especially when students with sociopathic personality types (aka bullies,) who masquerade as "model prisoners," gain authority over newer students and exploit their position by abusing those they are supposed to be helping.

    The program has received such a bad reputation that, like Narconon, it has had to change its name.

    More information on Straight from Rick Ross.

    Also, http://survivingstraightinc.com for more information on Straight spin-offs.
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  30. DeathHamster Member

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  31. Anonymous Member

    It's not just state-wide. It's federal law. Employee Polygraph Protection Act. Info ling:

    http://www.dol.gov/compliance/laws/comp-eppa.htm
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  32. Anonymous Member

    Wow I forgot about the Seed they were down here along with Straight and I saw their final product. Just like what you see from co$ they destroyed quite a few lives along the way.

    The Seed got Tommy a friend he got to loaded one night and passed out in the bathroom at home. His parents sent him there he was never the same ever again and not in a good way. He was never a drug addict by any stretch of the imagination I should know I was and I sold most of the drugs in the area, he was just a young kid. As I recall later he slit his wrists one time after the whole debable we never heard from him or about him again after that happened.

    Bad memories:(
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  33. RightOn Member

    So Pathway Family Center is still open?
    wow
  34. billybob Member

    That graphic is from 2007. Pathway Family Center is closed in Michigan and Ohio.
    Not sure about Indianapolis.


    This page seems to indicate they are all closed now:
    http://www.beyondbusiness.net/closepfc.htm

    I think it is interesting to note that these places also rely on CARF accreditation.
    I'd like to know if the pressure the organization in the link above put on CARF had any impact on these programs.
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  35. DeathHamster Member

    Not to derail the derail, but those Straight spin-offs are a good parallel example of why indoctrinating a bunch of vulnerable people, and then immediately turning them around to indoctrinate the next batch is a really bad idea.

    I've seen systems like martial arts, where as soon as someone learns something, you put them to work teaching someone else so that they really understand it, and that works. Drug rehab, before they've even really kicked their habit? A recipe for disaster.
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  36. Anonymous Member

    However, it is just as Catherine Picard has stated:

    She described the "three stages" used to establish "moral control" over a person: "seduction," "deconstruction of personality", and "reconstruction", where a person "is given the tools to become an actual proselytizer."

    If it's good enough for the cult of scientology, it's good enough for narconon and all the re-branding that is frantically taking place.

    I believe that cultists are incapable of having any "good" ideas. The cult is not really bad, it's stone fucking evil!
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  38. Intelligence Member

    August 16, 2012 - Mark Bunker travels to Oklahoma to film the Narconon Arrowhead protest following recent deaths inside the Scientology Rehab center. Whil there, Mark interviewed David Love and Colin Henderson for a documentary about Scientology. It was a pleasure to meet Mark Bunker and experience the hard work he does - - indeed, Mark is a true gentleman.

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  39. snippy Member

    Nice! Thanks for taking the time to put that together for everyone.
    (You captured a bit more of that good energy for us.)
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  40. The Wrong Guy Member

    Is it true that his beard radiates wisdom? Legend has it that those who surround him become inspired to do the right thing, work hard, and drink lots of water.
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