Assault - Nashville Ideal Org Grand Opening Post-Raid

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[SIZE="7"]ZA WARUDO!![/SIZE]

Also, I have just learned, via this thread, that that is a female.

*chagrin*

What's the going rate for a public right of way these days? A 33% discount on a Purif Rundown and a copy of an Elron: The S00per D00per Totally Amazing Do-Everything Guy pamphlet? A gross of Krispy Kremes and a keg of mocha lattes? Shave and a haircut, two bits? Over 9000 US dollars?

Also, can't be said enough: 44, get better soon.

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FUCK I WORK TOO MUCH AND MISSED ALL THIS SHIT.

44 I wish you a speedy recovery. FUCK THIS. Imma try to chill out now.

FUCK.

ATTN SCILONS: BECAUSE OF THIS I HAVE UPPED MY RECRUITING FOR OUR LITTLE MAY 2ND SCHINDIG. You have only yourselves to blame. This doesn't deter us nashanons, it only makes us come back in(legal)force. Dipshits.

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"locked" >>> "unlocked"

............quit with the moody crap.

Good job team Nashville, face plant FTW.

Oh my, such a display of authority by the cult; color me impressed.

Keep it coming cult, we can take it.

w00t!

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broken how? i've got some tools and know some computer ppls. i could take a look.

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I was right! This thread did need more desu. XP

/derail

Awesome that you might be able to get it the info off the card. I was thinking using Linux to open it might work, but it's possible it's not that simple. I wish it were that simple tho.

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Broken like the corner of it snapped off.

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HELLO 31 GUESTS HOW R U DOIN

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Okay, awake now.

PSA not working. Fail.

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redundant post is redundant.

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I am in total awe of you guys. You are handling this so perfectly that I become sexually aroused with each page of this thread. Awesome work!

OTIII moved

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We....have this already. Oo; Or are you talking about something other than the permits? Because we have those and didn't post them.

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Corner of the plastic shell?

(did the fiddly bits inside the shell get broked?)

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Nevermind

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Elby and 44 are made of 100% pure awesome.
And if you didn't know, Elby DOES have the voice of an angel. I had the privilege of listening to her for a good long time yesterday. I will repeat the truth:

She's just that awesome.
44 has impeccable taste in clothes and television.

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Peace.

re: Assault - Nashville Ideal Org Grand Opening Post-Raid

nonviolence is the way, that is not in question. and great job on following through legally.
I am sorry though, private security has no right to do that to anyone for any reason on public property. at that point they were just civilians, and should have felt the wrath. i will always comply with law enforcement, security with proper cause and credentials, and any number of other legitimate authorities.
those guys were not any of these things.

that said, my rage is furious, and i really hope rent-a-cops don't try that again. fuckin cobra kai leg sweeping cheater non-cops.

tl;dr

WWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!

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great mind and all that, was just about to ask this. if the little fiddly bits are still good you could buy another one of the same style of card and swap casings.

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holy crap this thread is awesome.

Can't wait to come raid with you guys on 5/2. Ya'll fucking do it RITE.

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So, are they back from the lawyer yet?

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People are in contact with Public Works for discovery on the permits. This issue is being researched, and no one else needs to contact them at this time.

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Ok. Please keep us updated.

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Legal was briefly discussed. No video at the moment. I've been advised against discussing future plans. However, I am obviously not happy with what happened [/vague]

Medical has been taken care of. thanks again for concern.

/r/ people don't spam OTIII or flame those who spam OTIII. This thread has dug up very valuable info. more info = better. Even little things like wtf is that under her shirt and IDing anyone we can. If we don't have to swash through 100 off topic posts, it's a massive help.

One thing though after legal discussion today. Mostly curiosity before next meeting:

Given what you've seen, anyone with Sec. Guard or Police experience, can you comment on, sort-of in order of importance:

• leaving non-life threatening injuries
• Throwing to ground (as in, if this were not a "proper" tackle")
• Restraining a person complying with orders
• Arrest on public property (how companies/insurance internally handle this)

/legal tinfoil: probably won't be an update very soon, so, just try to keep on track. all of this is why we're out there in masks.

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44, can you clarify just what you're asking here? eg. "leaving non-life threatening injuries" = ?

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Please visit this site.Federal Bureau of Investigation - Civil Rights - Color of Law Carefully read what the page is all about.You need to file a complaint. Get it in the works. K?

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From a security guard stand-point, those who are not off duty cops cannot tackle people, period. The only time they can detain you is if they are making a citizens arrest and in Tennessee, that means they have to have either witnessed you committing a felony, or there is enough evidence to prove you committed a felony. Trespassing is not a felony. If they are not off duty cops, the only thing they could have done was to ask you to leave, which they did, and you were in the process of complying when they decided to use excessive force. If you were with us when we got stopped by the Vandy police last year, basically what they did would be the proper procedure.

I don't have much knowledge on the law in regards to them arresting someone on public property other than to refer you to the citizens arrest laws in Tennessee.

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^^ Yeah yeah. Color of law criminal complaint to the FBI, complaint to the MPD, complaint to the Tennessee Private Protective Services Authority, complaint to the city for possible illegal street closure, civil lawsuit against CoS, guard company and individuals - lots of options.

The principle which applies is reasonable force. If they can just hold you, they won't need to bring you to the ground. If they can cuff you on the ground, they don't need to use tasers or clubs. If you're not a threat to life or serious injury, they can't shoot you.

If you were resisting so hard that they had to tackle you to the ground, then it's your fault if you got a few bruises.

On a regular tresspass? No way! They're only going to escort you off the property and maybe ask for identification. If you had done something so serious that it warranted a citizen's arrest, then they were not justified in tackling you unless you were physically resisting it.

I don't know about the event insurance, but while those guards are working, they are covered by the company's mandatory insurance.

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um.. all the security firms are required to carry insurance filed with county (state?) to cover such events. In my worthless opinion, I don't think you will get any ground with personal injury because of the situation (no sympathy with judge or jury) and the severity (depending on what a doctor said). I'm pretty sure the only civil action you have is for false arrest. You should go get the police report or officer notes (assuming your lawyer is on this). It will depend on whether this was technically a citizens arrest or possibly off duty officer "testified" to the officer who wrote the ticket.

Don't forget your lawyer sees you as an ATM machine. Since you are primarily there for criminal defense, he's not so interested in what might come afterwards. So he's looking at how much money versus how much time is involved.. and now you are talking about off-duty officers, etc. which becomes a headache. If you consult a civil rights lawyer or ambulance chaser they might give you different advice if they think the Security firm insurance will pay a big amount or not settle, or fight it in court

Also, whoever this is shoudl quit posting in the name of someone claiming to be arrested (hint hint) because any thing you say can be introduced if there is a big civil $$$ damages, and can be warped to look like you are out for money or trying to manipulate media etc. The "44" person should disappear until legal stuff goes away and no one should speak for him, other than hypothetical "rumored" updates.

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Shouldn't say much here. My personal opinion is this hardly even needs a Scientology expert lawyer. It's a routine "dumbass security guards think they're Rambo and do illegal shit" case. I hope you got medical records, and you should find a local personal injury and/or civil rights lawyer with experience with police/security brutality case experience. Take their advice as to who is worth going after.

Best way to find lawyer: talk to a few. Ask each one who they'd call if they had your case. If the same name keeps popping up, that's someone worth talking to.

Just from my wild-ass observation, the case is semi-weak money-wise because all I've heard about is soft tissue type injury, not broken bones or permanent injuries (and if I'm wrong only correct me if you want to spill to the public). But OTOH there's a civil rights violation, the security were clearly out of line and assaulted and battered you, it looks like their paperwork may be FUBAR, and on top of that, it's all on video. So that's all very good. I can't see being unable to find someone to do this on contingency, if you try at all. (Only issue I can think of is Scientology may scare people away. If the only people you can find will do it but not with Scientology in it consider whether that's worth doing.)

Good luck whether or not you pursue this in court. Obviously I'd love to see it happen but it's your ass.

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I think he's still ratteled and digging for info. This guy just got assaulted. It's common for victims to start getting edgy about their cases, especially when you're going against something as big as $cientology. Also from what he sounds, he's not very old, and maybe really inexperienced.

But I agree with the other posters: Anon44 you should stop posting ANYTHING. You have the right to remain silent here as well . You seem to be an attention whore, but it only helps your case if you be quiet.

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Not true unless the law has changed.

http://www.tsc.state.tn.us/OPINIONS/Tcca/PDF/063/KerseyJohnCOPN.pdf


page 4


"Don't forget your lawyer sees you as an ATM machine. Since you are primarily there for criminal defense, he's not so interested in what might come afterwards."

Not necessarily. There are criminal lawyers and civil lawyers. If there was no permit for that day...I would just rely on a public defender but be prepared myself since they are overworked....and get a Tort lawyer on contingency for the rest.

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Agreeing that 44 should step back, and rest up, let a trusted nashanon pass on any requests for research. Let the cunts wonder what is about to hit them.

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Just remember....


Justice is your right.

And we DEMAND it!

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During the training just to get the guard license it was stressed that you cannot put your hands on someone who is not being violent. We were trained to be assertive but not to the point where we need to put our hands on someone. Even when that someone is being belligerent. It was explained that if you over react to the situation, there is a huge liability risk. Trespassing does not warrant screaming at people or tackling those who are being courteous and complying. A cop in Texas pulled the same stunt on a reporter that those security guards pulled on 44. The only difference is the reporter was being a bit whiny at first, but eventually decided to comply and as he was leaving, the cop changed his mind and put the reporter in cuffs. Then he assaulted the camera guy who was just picking up the microphone so he could put the equipment away. That cop is currently on administrative duty pending investigation. But security guards do not have the same authority as actual police officers. That is why it is stressed that you are to only observe and report. Now that I think about it, this is stressed specifically to help guard against the company being sued. So, I guess that partially helps answer the issue with insurance.

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The fact is, unless the law has changed in the past few years, that in Tennessee a private citizen can do a citizen's arrest for trespassing committed in their presence..just like they can in California. It does not have to be a felony as you stated in your post.

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I found some regulations the other day from 2007 that only mentioned felony. That's why I was stressing the felony part. The whole law is extremely iffy, so that is why guards are advised not to attempt to restrain anyone. I'll have to wait until I get home to find it again. I've got it saved in my history.

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Tennessee:
Private Protective Services - Armed Security Officer/Guard Requirements
Private Protective Services - How to File a Complaint

How much would it cost for Anons to hire a private security detail to watch their private security detail?

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Probably more than we can raise money to pay for.

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I can't emphasize enough the lulz value of hiring your own security guards. It wasn't only for lulz though - the street was full of tourists, prostitutes, beggars and pickpockets. (March 2008 protest in Oslo, with the pirates)

The guard on the right was the one hired by Scientology. Unlike previous months, this one seemed to be a nice guy.
The guard on the left is one of ours. At most I think we had four of them.

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Sorry, it was the JUNE protest.

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If anyone does this ^^^ at any protest, there should be no mention of it on this board. ('Twould ruin the lulz.)

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First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win.