Australian Whistle-blower Aaron Saxton YouTube Channel

Discussion in 'Senator Xenophon And Scientology' started by Kha Khan, Nov 19, 2009.

  1. Asshole Member

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    Yes. Yes you are!

    Don't ever change.
  2. _You_ Member

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    Making this thread the working-on-transcripts bitch again. Seems no one is using it for anything else.

    Need some help please, Aaron has some garbles going on.

    Here's the video
    YouTube- Information on the Hollywood Guarantee Building Part One.wmv

    Here's the transcript
    Here's the parts I'm missing

    "..located outside the Riverside and (2:07) and so forth."
    "In other words, (2:31) is like a stem on a tree..."
    "...he's not, he's actually a very (8:26) messenger with a"

    And here's the second video
    YouTube- information on the hollywood guarantee building part two.wmv

    Here's the transcript
    And here's the parts I'm missing

    "...the security (0:50) beneath, in the basement..."
    "...the different specialised (1:48) shelves in..."

    RSG, whosit or anybody else care to take a crack at these be my guest.
  3. whosit Member

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    sure. loading up the videos now.

    edit: was just watching the end of the latest V.

    [SPOILER]The V's were screwing with the Flu Vaccine. Amusingly enough the vaccine was called R6. Wonder if there are any ex scilons on the writing staff.[/SPOILER]
  4. whosit Member

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    Couldn't help with the last one. But I added notes to the other. Didn't change the quoted text.
  5. _You_ Member

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    Wow - those are clear as a bell now. Weird.

    I think he might have been saying "custom-fitted shelves" in that last one, but it's all mashed up. Meh, not important I guess.

    Looks good to me. Like I said last night I don't post named so whosit you like to do the honours of slogging all this off to rsg's transcripts thread? Video link for 1, then corrected transcript, then link for 2 and corrected transcript.
  6. whosit Member

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    going with custom-fitted shelves unless anyone else wants to chime in.
  7. Anon123456 Member

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    sound right to me.

    ps: great work guys.
  8. _You_ Member

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    sounds like "comfit" but the definition is totally off

    go for "custom-fit shelves"

    that'll work ok
  9. whosit Member

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    cool. I added to the transcript thread
  10. _You_ Member

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    appreciate you doing that for me, whosit. thnx.
  11. RedSuitGirl Member

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    I've thrown up the Skidrow interview in full on the transcript thread. We've got a partial transcript from the mp3, but there's a lot still to do. It's currently 1:30am here, so I'm going to bed... if you guys leave any for me to do, I'll attempt one or two tomorrow morning in between breakfast/packing/heading interstate for the weekend.
  12. _You_ Member

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    ah placeholders...good. I was planning on getting his two "general response" videos done tonight after work since there's some good info about the sea org in them.

    after getting those done, i'll grab part 4 of the radio interview if you like.
  13. _You_ Member

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    YouTube- General Response to Public Questions Part One.wmv


    Aaron: Since I launched my Youtube videos, I've had a lot of people send me messages about their experience in the Sea Org, some public scientologists have made comment - and I'm getting mostly agreement that what I'm saying is true, but there are people that are conveying to me that when they were in the Sea Org that wasn't their experience. They thought it was more freer than that, they, they're telling me "you said Aaron, that we couldn't listen to music" and I'm getting emails back saying "well we could listen to music." Ok? And I just want to point out that yes, I've painted this picture of the Sea Org which is quite dark and gloomy, but try to understand something, I was in the Hubbard Communications Office (HCO) and this staff member might have just been in Division 4 and just been doing fine for two years without much harassment. This is quite possible - I don't doubt it at all.

    But I think you'll find in general, over, all-in-all, that what I've said will hold true across the board here because one person out of Division 4 says "well y'know once I saw a staff member get into so much trouble that they had something done to them." So, in their minds they're saying "well I just saw it once." I'd just like to point out that if you're at the Flag Land Base and there's a thousand staff there and you're closely working with twenty staff and you see it happen to one staff member, that's fifty staff that are going through that. And people in the HCO are the ones that are always walking around the org seeing these things and putting these things together.

    And that's why HCO staff are always burning out because they're so exposed to this, the crap that goes on. Y'know? And y'know, just to point out something about scientology is that the trap of scientology started from Keeping Scientology Working (KSW) Series 1.

    When you go to university, and you're sitting there and the lecturer goes "right, we're gonna have a lecture, we're gonna discuss, we're going to discuss the technology." After he's discussed, there's a question and answer, there's a debate regarding this. There is a growth of it. Now, many Sea Org members, scientologists, and public can't understand why, in their minds - "but the student hat worked for me,” “the touch assist worked for me,” "the word clearing worked for me" - "so how can somebody tell me it's a bunch of bull?" Ok? There's two answers to that...

    Firstly, scientology is the only religion in the world that asks you to defend something you don't know. When you start scientology you can't read the bible all at the start, you can only read a bit of it and then a little bit more and then a little bit more so, constantly scientologists are defending something they just don't know. They don't know what OTIII is, they don't know what OTV, VI, VII, VIII, IX, X, the Saint Hill Special Briefing course, they don't know it and yet they're defending it. And the reason why they're doing this is because in KSW Series 1, which is purported to be the saviour of scientology, when in actual fact this policy letter is its death. This policy letter says, from the word go, before you even know anything about scientology, if you question it, you're against us. If you discuss it, you're against us. So you can read a policy letter, but you're not permitted to discuss it with another human being 'cause it's called a 'verbal technology.'

    And when L Ron Hubbard is lecturing, it's not like a university lecture, there is no Q&A. It's just "I'm telling you, I'm telling you" - and you go through hours of this - "I'm talking to you, I'm talking to you, I'm talk...don't answer, don't, don't think, don't ask me a question, I'm telling you, this is the way it is." And KSW, right from the word go, first time he walks into scientology, he's slowly getting indoctrinated. He reads this policy that says "don't think about it, no verbal discussions, if you experience past lives you can't talk about it." Well no wonder because it's all bullshit. No wonder you can't talk about it. If it really was past life, if it was really real then it would be just as real as something we're experiencing now so what would the difference be?

    So the trap is right there in KSW Series 1. From the word go you read it and it's the first thing you read in any course, in any training in scientology and it keeps reinforcing to you "don't question what is written, do not discuss what is written, do not debate what is written" and eventually, after you do a couple of courses in scientology, and even in the Sea Org, you can't talk about what you've just read. There is no questioning of it because you know, according to KSW Series 1, that the moment you start to discuss it, it means that you do not 100% agree with it, unequivocally. And therefore, according to that very same policy letter, you must have misunderstandings about it. And if you have misunderstandings about it and you dare not clear those up you're a suppressive person. But if there's something wrong with it and you talk about it, if there's actually something wrong with the technology, you're also a suppressive person.

    There's only ever one answer, it's always right and that trap is what gets them going.

    Here's reality, scientology was born in '50's. It went and did some good things. And it did some bad things because misapplication of it is a shocking thing to do to another person. Ok? What happened is L Ron Hubbard got in trouble and he had to leave and he went on the boat in nineteen sixty, the mid-1960's he went on a boat and created this thing called the Sea Organisation and he lost the plot. This is where he came up with his OTIII story, which by the way, was a story written by Ron in 1953 (I think) called Revolt In The Stars which Hollywood refused to issue as a film. It was written before then. Y'know, there's even a video where L Ron Hubbard is talking about Xenu from the early 50's. And he supposedly found this in 1967. Anyways...

    What I'm saying is that what really happened is that when he was on the boat he created an extremist organisation and when they landed back in America and took charge the world was told "the Sea Org is here to protect scientology and they are in charge of it." And everybody believed them. This is the lie. The Sea Org, in actual fact, is got nothing to do with scientology, has its own creeds, its own policies, and its own doctrines which they have nothing, they are not religious. And they hijacked scientology and used scientology as a method to accomplish their goals. So while you keep seeing people out there going "but the Sea Org is protecting scientology" it's the other way around; scientology is the vehicle for the Sea Org - not the Sea Org being the vehicle for scientology. And they use all these activities like Applied Scholastics and Narconon - to the Sea Org it's just another activity that's implementing their ultimate goals.

    Look, people want to believe that scientology's all about money? I'm sorry to disappoint you, it's far worse than that.

    It's not just about money, it's about control. Controlling your life, governments, and the way we live. And the Sea Org is just what they want in society on a small scale and it's expanding. And when people realise that it's wrong to call scientology a cult - it's not a cult. A cult is, by definition; a religion, a belief system, a God-like thing, practices and beliefs that are considered unorthodox or extreme and often run or led by a charismatic leader. This is the definition of a cult.

    no prob distinguishing words in this one. need someone to proofread though just in case, and then transfer vid link and transcript to rsg's transcript thread plox.

    coming up with part two in a bit.
  14. Anon123456 Member

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    cool transcript bro.
  15. _You_ Member

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    YouTube- General Response to Public questions Part Two.wmv


    Aaron: Scientology doesn't fit that definition. The church, the creed, sorry - that looks like a Bona fide religion. The Sea Org, on the other hand, wearing uniforms, captains, commanders, lieutenants, chief petty officers, musters, standing at attention, roll calls, living in barracks, cutting off all media, no TV, no newspapers, no books on anti-scientology, no books on anti-anything, no books on psychiatry, no phone calls to the outside, no civilian contact in their offices - that is a cult.

    And when people finally dawn on the horrible truth that scientology is not thankful to the Sea Org for making it successful, but the scientology is in control because a cult controls scientology. And when you can make that differentiation you can finally see it for what it is.

    This staff member in the local organisation are out here, this public scientologist, this pretty average joe schmo guy, he wants to help. He really does. This is why we were all there. But what happens is when you join the Sea Organisation it becomes ultimately complex and you realise you are in a cult now. It's not an upgrade of a staff member, it's something different. It's not the next level from the staffing, it's something different. You are part of a cult! You have unorthodox training, you have unorthodox requests, unorthodox policies, unorthodox living conditions, weird rules, surveys that make no sense - the list is endless.

    That's your cult - and that's what we have to destroy.

    Because scientology, the Sea Org keep using scientology, every time we attack scientology they keep going "you're against, you're a religious intolerant person." The reality is we should be targeting the Sea Org because they stand for everything this is a cult and nothing to do with religion. So, when people say "attack scientology" I say "let that guy out there think what he wants to think and believe." The target is the Sea Org - they are the cult. They have the policies that actually instruct disconnection, RPF'ing people, and infiltrating enemy networks and everything to do with paranoia. This is not part of the average scientologist. You can't tell me a thousand people doing the student hat would really be a disaster. But, a thousand people being in the Sea Org doing the Basic Sea Org Member hat, now that's a disaster.

    "Do I think scientology works?" Not a chance. Not worth KSW Series 1 or anything else for that matter because the end result is it just doesn't work in the long run. Ok? You have to be in scientology environment for it to work and even then it's here alone. And it's all about beliefs and just what's, what you're making up in your head - the art of self-delusion. So within an organisation of scientology perhaps it's got some workability, but let's step out into the real world and go out on the stock broking market or go out to the local nightclub, it's got no passion whatsoever. But within that group, it does.

    But I want to reinforce here - the cult is the Sea Org. Get governments, write your senators, get your MP's - your Members of Parliament - look at the Sea Org! These are the people that are running the show. For Christ's sake they're standing there with caps on saluting a billion-year contract. Separate this bullshit. This is scientology - it still doesn't work, but the real cult here is the Sea Org and their practices and their horrific policies - and they're the ones that own the trademarks, they're the ones that own scientology, they own Applied Scholastics, they own Narconon, and they own over a hundred other entities that you seemingly think are innocent and they've got everything to do with control. And the show's over. And the show's only going to be over if people stand up now, put their name on a piece of paper and send it in to their local government.

    Stop talking about scientology. Start talking about the Sea Organisation. This is the time. These are in, crazy insane people - and understand, the beginning Sea Org members are just like staff members in a way. After a couple of years, oh, they're goners. They are goners. They don't live in a house, they live in a barracks. They don't have family, they have friends that can be there one day and gone the next. They don't have days off like you and I or even a normal staff member. So please, prosecution against scientologists - yes, they still deserve it, but first target, get rid of the horrific, heinous, above-the-law cult called the Sea Organisation which is running rings around governments right now.

    And they're so powerful they own a 350 ft boat in the Caribbean called the Freewinds, that they tell the world delivers scientology when in fact, the entire operation on the ship is funded out of donations and its entire purpose is to ship money around the planet. And that's what it does. And that's how you can keep a 350 ft boat operating in the Caribbean. Don't tell me it's from services. The local org struggles enough on a, on a small income. Running a 350 ft ship does not happen on giving a couple of people a week a course on OTVIII. It's the headquarters of the IAS - the International Association of Scientologists - which is another activity controlled by the Sea Org.

    So I invite you, write your MP's, talk about the Sea Org now.

    this is actually my fav two videos he's made - lots of info in there.


    ok so if somebody could look this one over too and check for mistakes then transfer all of it over to rsg's transcript thread, that'd be appreciated.

    will start work on skidrow radio part 4 tomorrow night - too fekkin tired tonight.
  16. _You_ Member

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    that was link to the first time he put it up. it was only meant for those two so he removed it shortly afterward.

    by request, he put it back up. new ling is

    YouTube- message to Mike Rinder and Marty Rathburn.wmv
  17. _You_ Member

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    YouTube- Aaron Saxton On 88.9fm - 23/11/09 - Part 4

    TRANSCRIPT - AARON SAXTON ON 88.9FM - 23/11/09 - PART 4

    Aaron: I left, I, believe it or not, after I left the Sea Org I still believed in scientology. And I...

    Claire: Yes, yes, I've heard this from other ex-scientologists I've spoken to - that they struggle with that. Sorry, go on...

    Aaron: Well finally that, finally something happened a year and a half after I left, After further intimidation from the Sea Organisation stating you can't work for this person, you can't work for things scientologist unless you come back into the Sea Organisation and I finally walked away because they, the intimidation just got too much. And then I met a woman called Rebecca Anderson in Melbourne and she just opened my eyes and had, had enough love for me to sit down and start, and asked me to just evaluate and look and she was so patient with me that it just started to open my eyes.

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: And then once I opened up my eyes around about, I left in '96 from the Sea Org, and I left scientology in '98 and by the year 2000 rolled around I started looking on the internet and I found people were trying to speak out and every time they spoke out they were being sued by the church, they were being...

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: ...criticised by the church. They were having letters put out to their friends and people that knew them about their crimes that (quote) these people had done.

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: And I was scared and I tried to speak out. The, the process to un, to undo this is not easy and some people will never ever reconcile scientology.

    Claire: Yes.

    Aaron: I don't know, I, if I could tell you what the exact mechanism was I don't know, but it, it would go along the lines of reading other books, just read, read, read because this is forbidden.

    Claire: Yeah, read anything.

    Aaron: Read, just read, get education, read this book whether it's pro - and not just about scientology (1:49) - read books on science. Read books on philosophy. Read books on, yeah and then it dawns to me, I'm reading these books and I realise the word "love" didn't even appear in the thousands of Flag Orders and Policy letters that I read.

    Claire: Yes.

    Aaron: And it dawned on me, it was never about, this man, Ron Hubbard, never loved.

    Claire: Yeah, yeah.

    Aaron: And the Sea Org never - it was never part of their policy to do this. The words "hate" and "enemy" were mentioned everywhere and so it clicked for me and for others it's clicked and for some, I'm afraid to say, I don't think it will ever click.

    Claire: Yes. Look we're going to have to wrap it up soon, but I'd like to have you on again and perhaps talk about, more about leaving the church and perhaps have a segment on how we can support people to, to explore looking outside of the church and to read other things and y'know - for people who are thinking of leaving or just questioning, I know that's a very difficult thing for members of scientology, and particularly the Sea Org, to even question things is like a crime in itself.

    Aaron: Yeah it is a crime. If they even mention that they're reading a book, that's not necessarily anti-scientology, but, but say, questions religion, questions...

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: ...belief or science then what will happen is the, they, they will get in trouble.

    Claire: Yeah. Or sex or love or anything like that.

    Aaron: But I'd love, I'd love to talk about, I'm happy to be on your show again.

    Claire: That'd be great. Just one last thing I want to ask you about is anonymous. Well how do you feel about the group anonymous?

    Aaron: I've spoken to several members of anonymous.

    Claire: Mm hm.

    Aaron: They're a very, they're a very gung-ho organisation.

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: There's no question about that.

    Jack: Mm hm.

    Aaron: And some of them are in there because they, they know the injustice here and, although some of their knowledge on the true incidents in the Sea Org is sometimes weak, but some of these people know a great deal. I feel - I will support them...

    Jack: Mm.

    Aaron: ... because they're, they're assisting in a cause. Now maybe they don't fully understand everything behind this cause, but they've seen enough.

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: And they know enough people that have been hurt.

    Claire: How would you feel about, after we talk to you, finish this interview up, play the "Message to Scientology" from anonymous? Would you be alright with that?

    Aaron: I would, I would love to hear it.

    Claire: Ok.

    Jack: Alright.

    Claire: Why don't you stay on the line while we play it? Thank you so much, Aaron. I, I personally support what you're doing, I think you're very brave and y'know, what what what ex-members need to hear is from people like you and to stand up and say "I take responsibility for my actions."

    Aaron: Thank, thank you.

    Jack: Thank you, Aaron.

    Claire: Congratulations.

    Jack: Cheers.

    Claire: Ready Jack?

    Jack: Yeah.

    Hello, leaders of Scientology. We are Anonymous...

    one garbled passage at the beginning of this one - help please?

    "...and not just about scientology (1:49) - read books on science."
  18. JohnnyRUClear Member

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    Sounds like his mind was going several directions at once for a second there. I can't make anything of it either.
  19. _You_ Member

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    crap. and I've listened to it til my ears bled. well maybe someone else can give it a shot. maybe an aussie can make it out?

    thnx anyway J.
  20. _You_ Member

  21. JohnnyRUClear Member

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    That was what I listened to, actually. It's clear -- clearly gibberish. ;-)
  22. _You_ Member

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    The Kiwi accent displaces vowels so "bed" sounds like "bid","bid" sounds like "bad" and "bad" sounds like "bed".

    I hear:
    "if [garbled] from against such"
  23. RedSuitGirl Member

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    Proofread, transferring to main thread.
  24. RedSuitGirl Member

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    Proofread, fixed a few words. Transferring to other thread.
  25. RedSuitGirl Member

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    I got the garbled passage down, but the words aren't exactly grammatically correct or anything. No wonder you guys had trouble, he must have re-formed that sentence about 3 times on the fly at that one point!

    Posting in the main thread.
  26. RedSuitGirl Member

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    Apparently I can't edit my own posts in the stickied thread any more. What gives?! :/
  27. TinyDancer Member

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    I'm going to ask the admins iabout whether they can extend the length of time in which users can edit their own posts.
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  29. JohnnyRUClear Member

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    RSG, despite your lack of boobs, you just keep getting hotter.
  30. RightOn Member

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    wow Aaron is kicking ass.

    Edited....question that has been bugging me for a LONG time.

    I brought this up like a year ago.
    Many Sea Org members are victims of human trafficking. They are brought over from other countries, disconnected from their families and some of them change their names. Passports are taken.

    My question is.... out of all these SO members over the years that have died.... if they were a human trafficking victim, what does COS do with the body? Not I am not trying to be tin foily here. I mean if someone had an accident, or died from cancer, or some other illness and they were a victim of human trafficking, who is responsible for the burial?

    I mean would COS contact the family in the country they came from? I remember Jenna Miscavige (i think it was her or one of the other ESK girls) saying that when they were 12, they were in charge of many Russian SO members who did not speak English.

    If family members of these SO members have been looking for their sons and daughters for years, do you think COS would contact them and tell them their relative or child died? Seems doubtful.

    Now I know COS offloads people who can no longer work or who are ill. (rage)

    But what about the others who work up untill they drop dead? Over the many years of SO members, there must be cases of this happening? It's only normal, if people are not getting proper medical treatment. Does COS give them a proper burial? If so, what do they tell the coroner's about their identities?

    I know this sounds very morbid. And again I am not trying to roll out the tin foil here. But where do the victims of human trafficking end up if they should die and how would COS explain who these people are if they were to have them buried?
  31. _You_ Member

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    That's a good ques. To the best of my knowledge, we have very few examples of what they do after a member dies. The one that comes to mind is Uwe. His brother Markus told the full story just recently too. Take a look:

    Wanna understand what happened to Uwe Stuckenbrock? - Ex Scientologist Message Board

    I guess they cremated him after a (scientology?) coroner examined him, then they buried him at sea.

    Let me get in touch with Aaron with your question, maybe he can address this topic in a video.
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  33. RightOn Member

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    yes thanks.
    At least people and family knew who Uwe was.

    I am interested in the members who were brought over here from other countries, and have no communiction with their families or friends for years. Sort of like the nameless ( or changed names) in the Sea Org.

    I just wonder where these people end up when something happens to them? I can't imagine that COS would pay to ship them back to their countries, and even if they did, which is doubtful , if these people have been disconnected for so many years..... where would COS even ship them to? Or to whom?

    How does COS explain someone who has passed away that was trafficked here?
  34. tazor Member

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    They probably just tell the authorities they had no family left. If they pay then the undertaker isn't going to ask questions more then likely.

    I'm sure they cremate everyone. And I question the burial at sea for Uwe. I don't believe for a second that they'd take the time to do a burial at sea. There is a very slim chance they sent his ashes to the Freewinds and dropped them at sea but my feeling is they said this for pr purposes only. I'd have to hear from someone who attended that burial at sea to believe it.

    They are very cold and matter of fact about death in the Sea Org. And they don't like to draw attention to the fact that people die there. It's entheta. And if the person who dies is an OT it's an embarrassment for them. They try to spin it like they did with Yvonne. She supposedly did a csw to Ron that he approved and then she willingly dropped the body. Uh huh. Sure.
  35. _You_ Member

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    Thanks TD and RSG for getting all that done. Appreciated.

    Wrote to Aaron re your ques and concerns. Highlighted ques about SO members from overseas cut off from family/friends and how the whole situation is handled both physically and financially. Hopefully he'll get back with this soon, but he's been so busy we may have to wait a while. Will post his reply here when it comes. No prob.
  36. _You_ Member

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    This seems to be a recent WWP glitch. Previously, there was no "deadline" and posts could be edited months after originally being posted. Now, there are times when I am unable to edit a post 10 minutes after posting.

    I seem to recall a thread from earlier this week where someone mentioned this issue, but I don't remember which thread it was.
  37. _You_ Member

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    running some errands then going to transcribe skidrow part 3 unless somebody else nabs it in the meantime. note itt what you're working on to avoid overlap.

    thnx tiny for moving the chat.
  38. RightOn Member

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    oh very cool
    thank you

    It will be interesting, I always wondered what they did under these circumstances. If they do what Tazor suggests saying that the people had no family, and then get them cremated, then this could be beyond huge?

    I guess the key is to find people who are looking for their loved ones within the SO who never heard from them for many years and then see if that person is still alive. Needle in a haystack I would presume.

    Should find out who has been doing all the cremations for Flag, St. Hill and Gold Base over all these years.

    again, very interesting.
    Just one proven case can sink them like a stone.
  39. _You_ Member

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    YouTube- Aaron Saxton On 88.9fm - 23/11/09 - Part 3

    TRANSCRIPT - AARON SAXTON ON 88.9FM - 23/11/09 - PART 3

    Claire: Yeah, and um...

    Aaron: It's hard to believe, I, I know.

    Jack: Mm...

    Claire: And I understand that you might be facing federal charges yourself in relation to this behaviour?

    Aaron: Yeah, I've been, there's not a lot I can do about that unfortunately.

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: But I mean I was, I've sat on the, on the, on the fence for several years trying to see if anybody else would speak and...

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: ...they were all just too scared. They were intimidated.

    Jack: Mm...

    Aaron: And then I realised that regardless of consequence that every day that I don't do this - maybe I do deserve to go to jail, maybe I do deserve to go to a court, well I think I do. I mean if, if some of these people that I did this to came up and said to the police "he did that," I, I'm not going to lie, I'm going to say " I did that."

    Claire: Yes.

    Aaron: If they, If they're going to prosecute me, they're going to prosecute me.

    Claire: Mm hm.

    Aaron: I did do those things. I thought I was doing the right thing at the time.

    Claire: And uh...

    Aaron: I mean I was following church policy; I didn't make these decisions up arbitrarily.

    Claire: Yes.

    Aaron: These policies exist in the church to do what I did and I thought I was doing the right thing.

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: At that time.

    Claire: Mm hm. Yeah.

    Aaron: I mean Australia's my home. I'm over here in New Zealand now because some of my family live over here, but Australia's my home and I'm going to come back there and, and face this and if the Australian federal police are going to prosecute me then I'm going to have to, I'm going to have to defend myself but I can't, I can't deny what I did.

    Claire: Yes, yeah, yeah. And I understand that, you said something to me about that you're actually supposed to be speaking publicly or you lose protection under the law? Can you explain about that?

    Aaron: When, when Mr. Nick Xenophon made his statements at Parliament he was protected under parliamentary privilege and thank God we have the privilege.

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: In this country. Ok?

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: This, this politician can say that because he can always be corrected later on by an investigation which shows his allegations were false.

    Claire: Yes.

    Aaron: Ok? And I was informed after that that after he had spoken in Parliament that if I spoke out after that, that would be considered a waiving of, of the source of information and there was nothing to stop anybody, including the church, pursuing me.

    Claire: Yes.

    Aaron: The reason why I, I breached that and wanted to speak out is because we are talking about liberties of other people and I'm not prepared to sit back for one more minute and let another abortion be coerced, another parent told they can't speak to their child, another child shipped off to the United States in their secret location in Los Angeles where they can't even see public people...

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: ...I'm not going to allow that to happen for one more minute.

    Claire: Yes. I think you're very brave and you're showing a high level of integrity and I know that you have a lot of pain about what you, you did in the past, but I think you're doing what you can to correct that now. I understand that you sent your own brother to the rehab force in the penal colony; do you want to speak to us about that? I think it's important that people understand the level of control...

    Aaron: Control...

    Claire: ...that, that the church and the Sea Orgs have over their members. People talk about, you know, evil lord Xenu and all that sort of stuff and scientology's a big joke, but there's been abuses of human rights here so if you'd like to speak a bit about that, about your brother?

    Aaron: Ok well the penal colony is known as the "Rehabilitation Force."

    Claire: Mm hm.

    Aaron: In the Sea Organisation where members are made to wear black outfits, they're not permitted to walk, they must run, they must do hard labour - they are not allowed to communicate to any other human beings via written or spoken word unless they're ordered to. And, and it's a harsh life where most people fail and when they leave they're just too messed up. And in Los Angeles, my brother did the most horrific thing; touched and heavy petted with another female.

    Claire: That was his crime?

    Aaron: That was his crime and...

    Claire: Consensual?

    Aaron: That was his crime.

    Claire: Was consensual touching and kissing?

    Aaron: Yes, yes it was consensual.

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: And because I...

    Jack: Was it another Sea Org member? Was the woman a Sea Org member?

    Aaron: Yes, she was. And because he was my brother, after the justice section was taken, I was asked "what do you want to have done with him?" And I sent him into the RPF, sent him to the penal colony.

    Claire: Wow.

    Aaron: My brother. I mean all my.....sorry.....he's my brother for God sakes.

    Claire: Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

    Aaron: Y'know he's just a year younger than me.

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: He just was - and I had to be that person that, that tough Sea Org member, that messenger that could do that. To send a message out to everybody else that no one, no one gets away with it here. Not even if you're, not even if you're own, my own brother. And then I watched what he went through in there.

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: And for years after he left, the troubles that he had with the idea of females and, and, and anything to do with them, because the, the punishment that he received, just being a young boy wanting to explore being a young man for God sakes...

    Claire: Yeah. Yes. Yeah you spoke a lot about that on, on your Youtube...

    Aaron: And uh...

    Claire: ...Youtube videos. And more and more Sea Org members are coming out and speaking about this stuff is that correct?

    Aaron: Yes. I was married in the Sea Organisation, briefly, and my, my wife was interested in trying to leave, but she knew, she just dare not speak to me about it and one day she came home to my berthing and she told me that she was pregnant and "hon," I told her, "if you're pregnant you're going to get an abortion - I don't want that child, it's anti-Sea Org."

    Claire: Oh wow.

    Aaron: "(6:01)...we're here," and that was the end of my marriage with her because, she came back and told me later on that, y'know, it turned out to be a false hope so she wasn't really pregnant, but at that point it didn't matter to me because in my eyes her, her purposes weren't as, as set on being in the Sea Org for life and I asked her, and I wanted to divorce her.

    Claire: Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, how did you break away from this level of mind control 'cause you were obviously totally controlled, you totally were immersed in this culture. How did you break away?

    Aaron: It's, it's what happened in 1995 that was just terrifying. In the, in the major international location in Los Angeles, things went way out of control. We started disciplining people all over the place for just any given reason and we started having staff leave. We had to replace and we had to recruit and the turmoil that was created, and I stood back and looked, looked at this and went, "according to scientology, it says you can measure the success of any organisation by its immediate environment" and I looked around my environment and realised how many people were getting divorces, how many people were giving up the option of having families.

    Claire: Mm hm.

    Aaron: And to me I went, "oh my God I'm creating this, we are creating this, these are the most unhappy people I've ever seen."

    Claire: Mm hm.

    Aaron: And I still didn't have the courage to leave until, and I don't know how much I should say about this, but some intimidation tactics were employed on me...

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: ...outside, and I realised that there was a chance that I was going to become a heavy target for them and I ran for my life. And they came chasing after me through Los Angeles and I made an agreement to come back if they were not to go see my family in New Zealand, not to approach my friends in Australia, and to leave me and my brother alone - and my mother in New Zealand. And in exchange for that agreement I had to agree to undergo six weeks of interrogation, locked up. If I didn't agree to it they were going to firstly, label me a suppressive person...

    Claire: Yeah.

    Aaron: ...they were going to disconnect me from anybody that I've known and my whole life, the last six years, was the Sea Organisation.

    Claire: Mm hm.

    Aaron: That included trying to disconnect me from my own mother and I couldn't bear the consequence of that so I did it, and after that I was just so numb. But um, I left, but I, believe it or not, after I left the Sea Org I still believed in scientology.

    only one section was unclear for me - someone have a listen

    "(6:01)...we're here," and that was the end of my marriage

    and RSG is best at proofreading these things is she doesn't mind, please and thnx.

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