BBC Radio 2, April 24th - Mark Pinchin on Scientology and Drugs

Discussion in 'Media' started by Anonymous, Apr 24, 2013.

  1. Anonymous Member

    Jeremy Vine let Church of Scientology spokesman Mark Pinchin (as seen previously on ITV) deliver a pretty good publicity piece for how Scientology was the only thing that could get him off drugs. He praised the effectiveness of the Purification Rundown etc. unchallenged by the host, and the only maybe negative thing mentioned on the program was the Xenu story, which Mark denied is in Scientology scripture.

    Despite a good amount of negative feedback sent in (as seen on Twitter, as well as a statement sent in and interview offered) the feedback read out on air was fairly neutral or positive.

    From a connection within the UK, you can listen here (starts 1:41:30)
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  2. Mutante Member

    The BBC is a well known Scientology front group.
  3. Anonymous Member

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  4. Anonymous Member

    Very strange Jeremy Vine is supporting giving air time to a cult that hurts people.
  5. Anonymous Member

    Can we still call in ? is there a right to reply tomorrow?
  6. Horseradish Member
    Mark Pinchin in Scientology's Published Service Completion Lists

    The following 7 individual completions for Mark Pinchin appear in official Scientology publications:
    Mark Pinchin PHOENIX LECTURES COURSE Freewinds 48 2002-12-01
    Mark Pinchin SAINT HILL NEW CIVILIZATION COURSE Freewinds 48 2002-12-01
    Mark Pinchin STATE OF MAN CONGRESS COURSE Freewinds 48 2002-12-01
    Mark Pinchin BASIC COURSE SUPERVISOR COURSE Auditor UK 303 2003-01-01
    Mark Pinchin TRS AND OBJECTIVES CO-AUDIT Auditor UK 307 2003-04-01
    Mark Pinchin OBJECTIVES CO-AUDIT Auditor UK 308 2003-05-01
    Mark Pinchin PRO TRS CLAY TABLE PROCESSING Auditor UK 322

    The service completions listed for Mark Pinchin do not in any way coincide with the courses he stated he took on the Jeremy Vine programme, which were:
    - Communications Course(?)
    - Purification Rundown

    I'd venture to suggest that:
    a) Mark Pinchin was lying to Jermey Vine on the BBC programme about even his own course completions, and
    b) Mark Pinchin was actually trying to SELL the courses he specifically mentioned on the Vine programme, without Scientology having to pay for the advertising.

    Time for a 'plaint to the BBC?

    Also recall that the scilons pulled out of the planned Feb appearance of Pinchin on the Victoria Derbyshire programme [BBC5] after they found out that Derbyshire was talking to Rinder and putting together some difficult questions:
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  7. Horseradish Member

    Given that there appears to be a fraudulent claim broadcast, I'd say don't just reply to the programme. Complain through the formal complaints procedure. Escalate.
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  8. Anonymous Member

    I cannot bring myself to listen to it. So this is two days before the Marathon for a Drug-Free UK begins taking their bollocks into schools in the UK
  9. Horseradish Member

    1. Scientology is clearly approaching multiple BBC radio stations and programmes.
    2. Scientology withdraws when presented with the prospect of real questions (Victoria Derbyshire show).
    3. Scientology lies when allowed to broadcast, unchallenged, on BBC radio.

    Time for formal complaints and FOI.

    Complain online at this link:

    And of course
    4. Jeremy Vine is a bigger tosser than I had imagined. How far he has fallen from his days as an actual reporter. Now he's just polyfilla.
    Perhaps also time to update Vine's Wikipedia page, to reflect recent developments.
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  10. Horseradish Member

    For Vine, it's really embarrassing.

    Perhaps we need a transcript :)
    > Audacity > mp3 > Yootoob
    Wikipedia link.

    Also... interesting that narCONon is not mentioned anywheres in any of the Minchin storytelling. All was under the auspices of scientology.
  11. Anonymous Member

    OK I did listen and it was just like Pinchin was lying, he did some auditing and the purification rundown and then he stopped taking drugs. Sounds so easy eh?
  12. Horseradish Member

    I have an mp3 of the segment now, but looks like I can't upload mp3 here (though the file size is okay).
  13. Anonymous Member

    Any UK Anons equipped to hijack the audio from this and make it more broadly available as an MP3 download?
  14. Anonymous Member

    Send it to Hotfile, or similar and post a link to it here?
  15. Anonymous Member

    OK- it's time to do some googlefu so that when anyone googles Mark Pinchin they end up on WWP.
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  16. Rather strange for BBC, considering "Scientology and Me", let alone the BBC FIVE live undercover report on the aftermath of The London Bombings involving Vulture Ministers
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  17. Malory Member

    Daily Mail always loves a chance to stick the boot into the BBC.
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  18. Anonymous Member

    no mention of Narconon being sued, deaths investigations. Un fucking believable.
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  19. Anonymous Member

    No mention of cost. Hubbard ideas and vitamins and saunas put through as science unchallenged. Auditors referred to as 'councillors' unchallenged. Jeremy Vine referring to scientology as a a 'religion' repeatedly. It's not recognised as a religion in the UK. Xenu story only challenge. Really poor un- researched journalism.
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  20. Anonymous Member

    Jeremy Vine's promotional piece for scientology was followed up by him reading out 'positive accounts' from people who have written in and mostly only pro-drug users as the 'against' point of view.

    No mention of Scientology's false claims of success rates.

    No mention of Scientology being anti-prescription and anti-psychiatric drugs.

    No mention of narconon lies about success rates.

    No mention of unscientific/ harmful methods including vitamins and saunas.

    No mention of Scientology's Narconon having their license to practice revoked in the USA and Canada.

    No mention of people being recruited into scientology while on the programme.

    No mention of credit card and insurance fraud linked to Narconon in the USA.

    No mention of Scientology 'drug programme' Narconon deaths investigations.

    No mention of Narconon staff having sex with drug users on the Narconon programme.

    No mention that reputable anti drug organisations do not endorse scientology's Narconon.

    No mention of cost.

    No mention of Mark Pinchin's freeloader debt for the programme he undertook/all auditing he has and is receiving while on staff.

    No mention of Hubbards policy on using front groups to recruit into scientology and gain respectability:

    No mention of schools being lied to by scientology's Say No to Drugs front group:

    No mention of who runs Narconon UK

    No mention that being a cult member and a drug addict are the same mindset.

    No mention that scientology is not recognised as being a religion in the UK. It's recognised as a cult.

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  21. Horseradish Member

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  22. Anonymous Member

    I reckon he's setting Pinchin up.
  23. Horseradish Member

    If only.

    Unfortunately, Jeremy Vine is just not that bright.

    He does what his researchers and producers say.
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  24. Anonymous Member

    Vine is a practising Anglican. He has deplored the marginalisation of Christians in British society, saying that "You can't express views that were common currency 30 or 40 years ago".[4]
    So the question is - does he know when he's breaking bread with the devil?
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  25. Anonymous Member
    Posted in the above thread but seems to be more relevant here

    It is a long time since I could bring myself to read anything about Narconon after my son died in 2006 after being in "rehab" for one week for £3250. We didn't know then that Scientology was behind it.
    I have had to try sites to see what is happening now after hearing yesterday that a "drug addict" had become clean after joining the Scientology cult being aired on the Jeremy Vine show on the radio. It really stabs at my heart that the cult is being given credence on such a highly popular show and without someone else being able to dispute what the man is saying. To my mind it is just a free advert for the cult.Panorama were "frightened off" by the Scientologists after John Sweeny was investigating them and at the time I had been in touch with Watchdog and Panorama about our experiences with them.
    The hurt of what they did will never fade.
    Margaret Pearce, Today at 9:33 AMReport
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  26. Anonymous Member

    If Mark Pinchin is so proud of Scientology's anti-drug work why didn't he mention drug-free UK and their great big tour of the UK to 'meet police and council officials'? Because it's a scientology front group.
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  27. Anonymous Member
    Scientology in the UK Media
    Up: Martin Poulter > Scientology Criticism > UK Media Archive
    Newsnight, 17th September 1996 BBC2 22:30

    This section is a brief introduction to the controversy, and introduces the issues and protagonists prior to a studio debate. The transcript of the studio debate will follow soon. This bit took me ages, I'm phuqued and in need of sleep. Believe me, if you think this bit is damaging to the reputation of the CoS in the UK, just wait 'till you read the studio discussion. It's a classic. One thing I couldn't get across just by typing this in, was the tone of disbelief in the voices of the anchorman Peter Snow, and the reporter Jeremy Vine. At some points in the proceedings I'm sure that Jeremy had to do many retakes due to uncontrollable giggling fits. When Peter Snow was talking, you could hear the incredulity in his voice and you -knew- he just wanted to blurt out ".. and get this!...". It's a crying shame we were unaware of HJ's visit. A picket outside the London Org or CC would have got nation-wide coverage today. Enjoy! -Lance.
    [Medium shot: Newsreader Peter Snow at desk]

    Peter Snow: "It calls itself a church and it claims some eight million adherents around the world, but it's methods have been causing controversy for more than three decades. And tomorrow it starts to advertise itself on British television. The Church of Scientology has been told that it's been cleared to advertise by the Independent Television Commission. As Jeremy Vine reports, this has aroused a lively debate about just what the limits of freedom should be."

    [Cut to: British Scientology commercial. Cheesy music, and a collection of beautiful people of all races saying the word "Trust" in their own language]

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "Here is the face of Scientology the controversial church would like everyone to recognise. This is the new approved advert, it's shiny happy message will run on cable TV channels tomorrow. It's a big breakthrough for the church. One that may broaden it's congregation, perhaps even bring it's message into the mainstream."

    Advert's voice-over: "On the day we can fully trust each other, there will be peace on Earth..."

    [Misc shots of US Scientology billboards]

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "The question of just how accessible Scientology actually is, initially held up the Independent Television Commission's decision to allow to allow the church to complete it's move from American poster sites to British TV. But there's also Scientology's rather strange image."

    [Cut to Close-up of Woman. Caption says "Reconstruction of Therapy"]

    Woman: "Stand up!"

    Male voice (out of shot): "Acknowledge it as loudly as you can."

    Woman: "Thankyou!"

    Male voice: "Command it as loudly as you can."

    Woman: Sit down on that chair!"

    [Cut to: A chair, with an ashtray obediently sitting on it.]

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "So is this a real religion that merits advertising space?"

    [Cut to: Interior of a London taxi. Heber Jentzsch is talking to an unnamed woman who I recognise as Rachael Ryerson, who along with her husband Greg (They are joint Directors of Special Affairs) was allowed to stomp all over Martin Poulter during their appearance together on the show Cyber.Cafe.]

    Heber Jentzsch (Gesturing): "The closest we come to it is..."

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "A signal of the importance of the ITC decision was the presence in London of Scientology's world leader..."

    [A little sandwich-board style sign outside the rather tatty London Celebrity Centre in Ladbroke Grove]

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "... who's in charge of defending the religion."

    [Taxi arriving outside the London Celebrity Centre. Heber Jentzsch alights and talks in the street to the reporter Jeremy Vine]

    Heber Jentzsch: "What I'm going to do is, um.. I'll go up here and er.. see what er.."

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "Given that the church is said to be accessible, we asked the Reverend Heber Jentzsch if he'd takes us into one of his outlets. Having arrived without warning he said we'd better wait outside"

    [Heber Jentzsch and Rachael Ryerson enter the CC]

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "The high pressure sales tactics reputedly used to attract new members..."

    [Cut to: Exterior shot looking up at the CC]

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "...were not much in evidence on this occasion. Eventually the message came back. Access was being denied..."

    [Cut to: Heber Jentzsch exiting the CC onto the street. He is alone.]

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "...because the staff felt private."

    Heber Jentzsch: "I just spoke with the executive director and she said, you know, this is a surprise visit. They didn't even know I was coming of course."

    Jeremy Vine: "That would be a big thing for them?"

    Heber Jentzsch: "Well it's a big thing for them but um..."

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "So we had our sermon on the street."

    Heber Jentzsch: "Close your eyes for a second. OK. Think of a cat. OK. Did you see a cat?"

    Jeremy Vine: "Yes."

    Heber Jentzsch: "What did it look like? What was it doing?"

    Jeremy Vine: "It was black."

    Heber Jentzsch: "A black cat. OK, good. Now your eyes were closed, so what was looking at the cat?"

    Jeremy Vine (at a loss): "I suppose I was."

    Heber Jentzsch: "OK. Your eyes were closed, and you were looking into the mind. The mind is composed of pictures, and you saw a picture in the mind. So what people do up there is, they're able to look into the mind, and find those moments of pain and unconsciousness or trauma or loss."

    [Cut to: Graphic. Green on Black "What is Scientology?"]

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "Scientology was set up in 1950 by the science fiction writer Lafayette, or L. Ron Hubbard. In essence he thought humans were vessels for immortal souls called Thetans, who created the universe. The Thetan's enemies are called Engrams. They're disruptive forces. Someone's engrams can be measured with electrodes, and it's said purged through a practise known as Dianetics, an intense form of therapy."

    [Jeremy Vine outside the London Celebrity Centre]

    Jeremy Vine: "Some though have very clear memories of the 1984 high court judgement in which Scientology was described as 'A religion based on lies and deceit, whose real objectives are money and power' and that was a judge speaking! But Scientologists are very keen to make sure remarks like that do not stick, and they're prepared to use the law to counter-attack."

    [Claudia Milne: Executive Producer of 20/20 television who made the infamous UK documentary on the CoS using a secret camera in St. Hill]

    Claudia Milne: "As soon as they found out about our interest, they deluged us with faxes, with spurious so-called facts in them. Threatened us with legal action if we didn't include those spurious facts. They tried to stop the program by issuing a private prosecution against myself and a reporter claiming we had obtained services by deception."

    [Cut to: Graphic. Green on Black "What is Scientology?"]

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "In fact critics of Scientology say the religion's devotees are positively litigious. Intimidating detractors by following the advice of L. Ron Hubbard, who's on record as saying 'The purpose of a lawsuit is to harass and discourage, rather than win. Don't ever defend, always attack. Be alert to sue for slander at the slightest chance'."

    [Martin Poulter and Jeremy Vine at a PC running Netscape. Martin's WWW pages are on display]

    Martin Poulter: "...there's also information about the Scientology attack on the Internet."

    Jeremy Vine: "Containing lots of emails and so-on?"

    Martin Poulter (recovering well): "That's right, um... "

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "This Internet user says he's been on the receiving end, ever since he wrote a notice criticising Scientology."

    Martin Poulter: "I'm one of tens of people around the world who've been threatened with legal action via email by the Scientologists, about things we've posted to the Internet, and in fact there are eight major court cases going on now in different countries, arising from the Scientology discussion group."

    [Cut to: Medium shot of Bonnie Woods]

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "And ever since this ex-Scientologist left, she says she's been pursued by lawyers"

    Bonnie Woods: "Well in my own personal experience, I'm currently involved in litigation with Scientology, in libel actions. Those were a result of the work that I began to do five years ago as "Escape" which is a Christian ministry."

    [Cut to: Interior of Taxi. Heber Jentzsch is talking to Rachael Ryerson, who is listening oh-so intently]

    Heber Jentzsch: "... and with Mr. Hubbard's quote at the end, 'On the day you can... we can fully trust each other there will be peace on Earth'..."

    [Rachael Ryerson nods sagely]

    Jeremy Vine voice-over: "The Scientology bandwagon rolls on regardless, but its big break into television has reminded some they would like to see it leave town."

    [Cut to: Taxi containing Heber Jentzsch and Rachael drives off into London's traffic]
    Forward to Part 2: Studio Discussion
    Up: Martin Poulter > Scientology Criticism > UK Media Archive
    This archive is presented in the public interest for research purposes
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  28. The Wrong Guy Member

    Today a puff piece disguised as an article appeared in This is Sussex.

    "Church of Scientology saved me from drug hell," claims member

    A former drug addict claims the Church of Scientology freed him from the addiction that took over eight years of his life. At the age of 13, Mark Pinchin, of Sand Hill Lane, Crawley Down, started smoking cannabis. As he grew older, he started experimenting with drugs including crack cocaine. He estimates he spent £30,000 on drugs between the ages of 13 and 21. But then, a fellow drug user said Scientology had helped her with her addiction, in her pursuit of a career as an actress.


    Mr. Pinchin visited a Scientology church in Hove and watched a DVD about how to take control of your life. He said: "It explained how things happened in your life which can affect you later on."

    Scientology has been denied religious or charitable status in a number of countries. But Mr Pinchin said the criticisms do not bother him. He said: "As far as I'm concerned Scientology is not a cult. If there was anything untoward about it, I wouldn't be involved."
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  29. Anonymous Member

    Mark Pinchin the UK's most visable Scilon is at it again apparently he spent £30,000 on drugs!! in 9 years!! Thats about £9 a day!! Still considerably cheaper than being involved in the CO$!
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  30. DeathHamster Member

    ^^ They don't say how much he's spent on Scientology so far.
  31. afternon Member

    Scientology appeals to drug addicts because it acts like a drug addiction, it just takes longer overcome and is more insidious.
  32. Anonymous Member

    Comments open you need to register, though.
  33. Horseradish Member

    Yeah, but This Is Sussex is not a newspaper.

    I'd be more concerned if there was a similar piece in the Brighton Argus (a real newspaper).

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  34. Anonymous Member

    Nine pounds.

    US give or take that is $15-20

    I know people who smoke cigarettes who pay more.

    What a wuss.
  35. Anonymous Member

    scientologists lie

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