Discussion in 'Fair Game Reports and Personal Experiences' started by Anonymous, Jun 6, 2013.

  1. Random guy Member

    I think we can assume the e-mails sent out to at least De La Carrere is real. She would be stupid to forward it to Ortega if she had made this all up herself. As for the purported "big doc leak", there's nothing, nothing at all. It's hard to prove a negative, but most parsimonious assumption is that the leak does not exist. Thus we are left with only two possible scenarios behind the e-mail (or mails, if, ass indicate don ESMB, more have received them): Either OSA/Miscavige believe the leak exists, or they are on a fishing trip throwing shit at the wall to see if anything sticks.

    Both scenarios smells of incompetence and/or desperation.
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  2. Anonymous Member

    Psyops folks. It works and it makes people go round wondering and speculating and stuff.
  3. Anonymous Member

    It's safe to assume that Karen believes it's real.

    And it probably did come from a Scientology Inc. attorney.

    But it looks like a bluff.

    Karen has demonstrated stupidity before in her desire to get attention, and does not always exercise good judgement.

    Yes, this sounds like Psyops.

    I'd be surprised to see any follow up by Scientology Inc.
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  4. Anonymous Member

    The attorney letter to Karen caused a response, albeit perhaps not one OSA wanted:

    Karma ~~ A Tale of 2 Mothers

    Published on Jun 10, 2013

    I receive a threatening Email arrives from Church Lawyer Gary Soter claiming I infiltrated Church Computers and am in possession of stolen documents and pictures. Completely manufactured hogwash. On fire, I make 3 videos on "Fair Game". This reveals head honcho of Intelligence and Dirty Tricks Donatella Kavanaar and her neglect of her 27 year old son. Donatella executes what David Miscavige needs and wants in terms of dirty black bag jobs.

    The "Church" of Scientology have a policy to character assassinate, set up and ambush their perceived enemies. The "Church" likes to use Law enforcement to do their dirty work.

    (Later I find out that they sent the same letter to at least 6 others in a *fishing expedition* to find out what they could snare). But the videos are in post production, here is Video #1

  5. Anonymous Member

    That in and out, in and out, in and out, zooming was scary.

    Talk about psyops.
  6. OTeleventy Member

    Ok. I need to say something here to all those who think email isn't a valid method of delivery of a legal document. It is perfectly valid, though it won't "stand up in court" as any sort of valid legal service. In other words, it won't give the court jurisdiction over a defendant and you will seldom (never?) be able to convince a court that receipt was ever had by a recipient.

    But email service of court documents, once parties are under the jurisdiction of the court, is perfectly legal, and in Florida is now required.

    BUT, prior to the court having jurisdiction over a party, it's just exactly like sending a letter by USPS.

    In other words, it is what it is. Under the law, and stacked against any other method of sending communications that don't include a delivery confirmation, is an entirely acceptable way to deliver a communication.

    Jeez. I have to say this to Anonymous?
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  7. Anonymous Member

    Scientology is concerned that critics may use spying devises on Orgs, Miscavige, etc,

    This is to put the fear of god into critics to stay away.

    People like Karen will seek to use this incident to her advantage and the situation for her own benefit.

    Much fuss over very little
  8. Anonymous Member

    No wai. She would have to hire a copywriter or you'd totally be able to tell.
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  9. jensting Member

    Guess they haven't had their websites taken off line after their ISP received a Kobrinogram. Hah :)

    (Jens, SP3 and proud of it!)
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  10. Random guy Member

    I think you are right. My guess is the cult is doing this just to be on the safe side, in case the undercover story should turn out to be real after all.
  11. Anonymous Member

    Follow up on the thread at ESMB that began this drama.

    A post by "Gus" expressing a view, that this is much to do about nothing.

    Karen and her many admirers don't like that. It takes away the drama, thus no drama to exploit.

    And above it is a post by Karen indicating that this is just "the tip of the iceberg" under which are many agreeable nodding and approving heads, and that is followed by a post by J. Swift.


    To me, this is a weak attempt by OSA to intimidate anyone who might consider using electronic devices to spy on Scientology.

    It's mostly bluff, but saying that to those seeking to exploit the drama of it, or to their admirers, is a waste of time.

    It does tell us one thing: That Scientology is very concerned - even more concerned than before - about being infiltrated and spied upon, and wants to put the FEAR in the rests of us, so that we agree to be good little boys and girls and behave ourselves.
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  12. Anonymous Member

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  13. Anonymous Member

    Yeah, like that has stopped us before.

    Funnies thing I've seen posted on this site in a long time.
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  14. Anonymous Member

    Whatever you say, Superman.
  15. Anonymous Member

    Staff know that everybody going into any Ideal Org now is a spy taking secret pictures. I was not even using tampons.
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  16. fishypants Moderator


    If leaks were leaked then why aren't I looking at them?


    ^ Money Leaks

    Stupidity among ex-Scientologists is not rare. They've all been massively stupid at least once in their lives already.

    Other non-OSA possibilities for the letter source include:

    - an Anon poking the indie hornets nest (in which case bravo! for 10/10 trolling),

    - Indies trying to counter recent Balkanization of their group by focusing the group's minds on a common external enemy (OSA) thus improving group cohesion,

    - attention-seeking attention-seekers seeking attention,

    - mad people - as in, clinically bonkers - doing mad things. Culties are often pretty unstable to begin with.

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  17. Anonymous Member

    Answer is obvious. Hobson did it.
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  18. fishypants Moderator

    Or Xenu!

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  23. Anonymous Member

    A take from Scientology, Celebrities and Human Rights:

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  26. You are just jealous of my high IQ and OT abilities. I have never done anything "stupid to get attention" in my life.
  27. Anonymous Member

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  28. Your are just an attention whore, that is all.
  29. Hi, this is Karry,

    Micheak Hobson, I have tried to contact you and I cannot seem to reach you. I have heard you monitor this group, so I am posting here with the hope you will see this.

    You need to handle Scott Gordon, this is a flap that he said what he said on Facebook about the Yulika cycle. Please wear you Security hat and handle the hell out of him.


    ML, Karry

  30. Just to put your hat on once more, Michael Hobson:

  31. Anonymous Member

    Hobson is now officially WWP secret Security Officer. Please respect his authority. There will be no more trolling of Hobson, he should be made to feel welcome at all times. I have cancelled all relevant sock accounts.

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  32. Anonymous Member

    Why oh why would the ex community rally together to protect OSA from the release of DOX? Sometimes these Exes seem like their own worst enemies. Leak, I say, leak it all . . . otherwise continue to leave in fear.
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  33. Anonymous Member

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  34. DeathHamster Member

    So far, there's been no sign that these claimed leaks exist.
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  35. Anonymous Member

    Agree. Nothing has been leaked to us and who the hell else would you leak it to? I'd like to see the videos from EXSB but can't do it from this antiquated cell phone.
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  36. Anonymous Member

    Oh, you need to watch before it goes away. She actually shows a picture of the tampon-cam! She shows all her dox in the video-- pictures of her equipment, her "confessions" she signed, the Courtyard by Marriott hotel bill-- oh yes. It is a fucking train wreck and it is awesome.

    Oh-- and whomever said BPD of the narcissist variety nailed it (maybe on ESMB too lazy to look). Her demeanor gives her away. Notice she has a hard time not smiling the whole video, she is so pleased with her bid for attention. I think that OSA/DM and she go well together. They feed into each other's sickness.
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  37. Anonymous Member

    Nothing of value is watched.
  38. DeathHamster Member

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  40. DeathHamster Member

    When a Scientologist says something like "I've erased it", "I've put you out of my system" or "We're not having this conversation", what they're doing is putting their hands over their brain and going "LA LA LA! I can't think about you!"
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