Discussion in 'Projects' started by RightOn, Jun 26, 2009.
Tony Tony Tony! wtf man?
back to 2141
Is Mary Lucy James the same person as Lucy James on the list whose interview is 2½ minutes into http://www.nbcnews.com/id/21134540/vp/50502469#50502469 and was "staff for 30 years"? Here's new info for her if so:
Mary Lucy James - Sea Org for 22 years, HRD INCOMM, Purchasing Officer Golden Era Productions, various senior roles in CMO Int, Executive Director, Birmingham UK - declaration
Also add the same link http://www.scribd.com/doc/189389482/Monique-Rathbun-vs-Scientology-Affidavits-Declarations-Part-1for declarations by John Brousseau, Michael Fairman, Chris Guider, Steve Hall, Jefferson Hawkins, Marc & Claire Headley, and Don Jason.
Add the link at http://www.scribd.com/doc/189390237/Monique-Rathbun-v-Scientology-Affidavits-Declarations-Part-2 for declarations by David and Mercy Lingenfelter, Mat Pesch, Mike Rinder, and Amy Scobee.
Extra info & link for Michelle Babich:
Class 2 Auditor, staff for 7 years, Div 6 Sup, Johannesburg SA - her story
you scared me for a minute, thought we had another double posting.
It was worth the wait to get back up to 2142
Ryan Hogarth - left after 28 years - staff for 25 years, Sea Org for 7 of them, OSA, President for 6 years, Johannesburg South Africa, Los Angeles - his story
you beat me to it
#2142 - Ryan Hogarth, left after 28 years, staff, Sea Org, OSA, President of Scientology of Johannesburg South Africa (aka Joburg Org) for 6 years, International Spokesperson, LA org, DECLARED, his personal story told on a blog
should we include wife Melissa and son Tyler since they are all mentioned and pictured in the picture?
Don't include the shrapnel until they speak for themselves imho.
Cheers! RO *hug*
For quite some time - could well be until the beginning of 2013 - I almost daily checked on Marty's blog to see if there was a new person out. Somehow I lost interest, but I can't really say why this is.
Maybe it was Marty less posting about CO$, and more about other philosophies and what have you. Also Mike Rinder starting his own blog more focusing on daily news ( http://www.mikerindersblog.org/welcome-to-my-new-blog/ ), which I then started following. However one should note that Mike has less blog posts about new people coming out than Marty had before 2013.
I must admit also that somehow I am less motivated (sorry to say, just being honest trying to give an explanation) to find new entries than I used to be. And I don't think I am the only one.
It's a challenging activity. Maybe you just need to take a break? <3
The magician needs an apprentice. (Not me; I am busier as of today.)
I've thought about it a little more.
It's not just my (or anyone else's) motivation, I think there is more to it. The speed at which we were finding new names has been steady for a long time. According to a model compiled from a regression analysis a while ago we should have been at 2271 as of today. In reality we are at 2142.
Could it be that exes and people in but under the radar by now are less inclined to go public with their story? They can all see the list, think that the number of people who have gone public is big enough, and decide to not add their own story.
As if there is less reason now, e.g., to be angry at the cult that you were being duped, or that they don't let you talk to your family, or other.
I have never been in so I asked some more perspective on ESMB http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?34284-Less-ex-members-going-public&p=886373
THERE ARE LESS SCIENTOLOGISTS
What say us on Jane Parker?
Good point. Let's see.
There are 1,000 Scientologiists. 100 leave.
Later, there are 800 Scentologists, 80 leave.
Later there are 500 Scientologists, 50 leave.
I guess it is time to panic since the rate of people leaving has clearly decreased.
hmmm as much as it would pain me to add her name (there are others I feel the same way about, but this has nothing to do with the list and because I loves me some Hana)
I say yes indeedy if someone can confirm her?
She is not in completions.
And I said to myself that I wouldn't work on the David Miscavige Was Deposed Day!
But I did it for Hana.
I can't confirm her, and I don't know what your standard is, but I think if you look at the discussion thread on the South African blog there is no doubt she was in:
Also, it seems Ryan Hogarth confirmed her here:
Up to you.
The moderators of that blog chose to remove her initial post but it was preserved at https://whyweprotest.net/community/goto/post?id=2396765#post-2396765
good enough for me with Hogarth's comment
#2143- Jane Parker - OTIV, Sea Org Management, Johannesburg Africa Org (aka Jo'burg Org), St . Hill, comment
where is the link for her comment? Is it the lerma link?
ugh, a new thread page made it harder for me to repeat myself.
ooh so that is the link we should use
Ok, short summary of all the feedback.
1. There are less scientologists than there used to be. It's just math.
2. Fear of disconnection, fair game and the like was always a reason but it is more important now because of reason 3.
3. People who are still in now tend to be more hard core, so there's a smaller chance they'll leave.
4. It is more embarrassing to admit you were in these days then it was a few years ago and/or it is bad career-wise. (Because of all the negative publicity about COS). Public opinion about COS is at an all time low.
5. People are coming out more on Facebook and other venues which are not always indexed by Google, so they are harder to find.
6. Less (motivated) Chanology researchers.
Probably requires a vote whetherthere is enough to include him.
Milestone Two membership
Comment on the milestone two blog agreeing with Lana Mitchell on the lack of sympathy within the sea org and staff
Scientology service completions
Step right up Malcom!
#2144 - Malcom Duss - staff at Int Base, Los Angeles Org, Milestone II Independent Scientologist Member, comment, COS completions
let's hope Malcom gets out of this cult too
I don't think the COS completions can be the same person? He says his family found Narconon in 2001. The completions start in 1990
I hope there is other proof he was in once.
he got in through Narconon, so his story will prolly have to suffice.
This link has his pic
#2145 -David Lee- got into Scientology through Narconon, his story on several sites
AnonyMary / Mary McConell has another tip at http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...s-going-public&p=886909&viewfull=1#post886909
Not sure what to think of this. Is there a way to get the current list more into the open? In the past press releases were not all that succesful.
Louise Cronin is out. This has been mentioned before, e.g. https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/louise-cronin-is-out-of-the-church-of-scientology.59766/ and http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?18475-Louise-Cronin-is-out-of-the-Church-of-Scientology and https://whyweprotest.net/community/threads/scientology-uk-declares-yet-another-member.115747/
But now she confirms it herself http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...ongtime-UK-scientologist-and-former-OSA-agent (click on the attached thumbnail).
I have no completions but the comments in the threads above are enough I guess. But... is that thumbnail speaking out?
Edit. Maybe not, but this is: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...rmer-OSA-agent&p=886914&viewfull=1#post886914 LOL!
#2146 - Sands Hall- blog post, COS completions,
need time in!
and her blog post was barely speaking out except for one line.
#2147 - Louise Cronin- OSA agent, AO Sup, blog comment, declared
need time in.
need the actual link to her comment. not the ESMB quoted blog post
I am not a member of ESMB, so trying to click on the file doesn't work and won't work for others either who are non members. anything else we can use besides this? Or is the copy of the text from her on ESMB the only thing?
That comment was from 2010! And three years later she is declared?
Louise Cronin comment also here http://kiwianon.com/forums/index.php?topic=945.0;wap2
It is mentioned that the comment was on Marty's blog, but I cannot find the comment itself. There's another one though by Kutta, about getting in contact with Louise. http://markrathbun.wordpress.com/20...-latest-in-reverse-scientology/#comment-30937
This post https://whyweprotest.net/community/goto/post?id=2398298#post-2398298
Edit: asked on ESMB for a link to the original quote.
And yes, declaration was only Friday http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...rmer-OSA-agent&p=887058&viewfull=1#post887058
the copy of her saying she was declared, isn't proof of speaking out BTW
I know she is speaking out, we need the proper sauce
#2148 - Ori Wilbush - staff, blog comment, WISE member, COS Completions
listed as a WISE member ITT
can anyone confirm a Kris Steele? psuedo?
Kris Steele | February 16, 2012 at 2:08 pm | Reply
"I didn’t even go through a fraction of a percent of what Debbie went through, and I was willing to sign anything to leave the Sea Org and get on with my life, I’m not sure what mine said, but I do remember it contained a bunch of data, that wasn’t necessarily true, but I didn’t care, the only thing keeping me from getting my car keys so I could leave and get on my life was signing those forms. It’s appalling how the church is treating Debbie, and all she tried to do is get their members to do their bridge instead of donating themselves into insurmountable debt which is not covered in any policy. I am glad KABC has reported on this, as more people are going to get her story now, and hopefully more public Scientologists wake up, and realize the church is in a serious danger condition, and they need to apply the correct formula for that condition."
The original post Louise made has been deleted, but the answers to her post are still there.
Let's hope she speaks out again somewhere now that she is declared.
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