Big List of THOUSANDS of Exes Who Have Spoken Out

Discussion in 'Projects' started by RightOn, Jun 26, 2009.

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  1. Incredulicide Member

    Given this:
    We should probably have her primary entry as Mary Shelton, with Fasler as the AKA
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  3. I REALLY hate to say this, but does it count as "speaking out" given: (a) she did so pseudonymousLY; and (b) her identity was revealed only because Tony Ortega outed her? I'm not using the term "outed" pejoratively against Tony. He did his job as a reporter. The point is simply that she did not speak out voluntarily.

    Significantly, Tony's article notes:

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    We contacted Lucia by email, but she declined to comment for this story.

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  4. RightOn Member

    she was def. outed, but it's out now!
    So, she goes on the list. At least it wasn't one of us name fagging her
    On a side note, I have been hopeful that Giovanni will leave. Keeping my fingers crossed
  5. Incredulicide Member

    At some point, if that point is not right now, this will be enough info to add her to the list, taking the 100-years-from-now perspective.

    I agree with RightOn, that point should probably be now anyway.
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  7. TrevAnon Member

    I have doubts, but maybe I don't understand the situation.

    Say, Mike Rinder (well known Ex) tells on his blog about Mr. X being critical about COS, while Mr. X is in completions (so he was definitely in). Would we add Mr X.?

    IIRC until now we haven't.
  8. RightOn Member

    I think every case is voted on.
    Ribisi was outed, we can't help that.
    But to have that big name on the list is a huge plus for others to see.
    May not be technically correct, but screw it this time around
  9. TrevAnon Member

    And... how is this related to the big list...?! :p
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  11. RightOn Member

    hey parents, if you don't want your kids disconnecting from you, don't sign up in the first place and get them into it.
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    In Tony's latest article about Peter Ramsey
    Rob says he took courses and was going to join staff, but didn't and dodged a bullet. But good enough for me.
    Ian also took courses and sued the COS
    After his auditing, Ian felt that it had been a waste of time and decided he didn’t want to have anything more to do with Scientology. But the church was already notorious for hounding people about taking more courses, and Ian was receiving a steady stream of annoying phone calls and letters.
    Fed up, he knew that if he demanded a refund on the money he’d paid for the HQS course, he’d be “declared” a “suppressive person” and the church would leave him alone. So that’s what he did, first requesting his money back in a letter to the church, and then filing for his $100 in small claims court.
    Wait a minute, we told Ian. You actually sued the Church of Scientology? There’s not a lot worse that a person can do as far as Scientology is concerned, we told him, and the repercussions for Peter must have been immense.
    Peter was visibly and verbally upset with me,” Ian replied. “He could be declared if I continued with this course of action.”

    Rob was very young — only 15 — at Peter’s urging he took some courses in 1971. Peter even encouraged his youngest brother to get a job working on the staff at Scientology’s Toronto org.
    “I brought home a form for my dad to sign, but he refused. We got into a big argument about it. Thinking back, I dodged a bullet there,” Rob says with a laugh. He didn’t explore Scientology any further.

  16. TrevAnon Member

    Hm. Not sure, but I guess that's a no from me.

    From what I recall about Paulette Cooper's story she also did some auditing. Can we add her too? ;)
  17. RightOn Member

    a little different than taking courses and suing the church and almost joining staff!
    I say YES
  18. Incredulicide Member

    I agree, these guys didn't turn up as undercover reporters knowing from the outset they wouldn't continue, just being there as material for a magazine article, or a podcast for that matter.

    Yes on both from me.
  19. RightOn Member

    #2683 - Rob Ramsey - brother to Peter Ramsey, took courses at Toronto Org, almost joined staff, his story and quote in Underground Bunker article

    #2684 - Ian Ramsey - brother to Peter Ramsey, asked for a refund, filed against the COS in small claims court for refund, his story and quote in Underground Bunker article, Toronto Org
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    #2685 - Tim Lobb - aka Timothy Lobb, left after 33 years, comment on First Independent Church of Scientology Article, Milestone Two Post, COS Completions

    another link for Tom Price - comment on First Independent Church Of Scientology Site Article
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  21. Also posted a success story on the Independent Scientology Milestone Two website for completing Grade IV:
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  22. RightOn Member

    ^^^ thanks!
    added time "in" to the post and Milestone Two Post.
    Sorry, don't want to include the words "success" or "win" in the post.
    Here's hoping that Tim gets all the way out some day
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  27. RightOn Member

    hmmm, I haven't had time to read the arrticle yet.
    As told by himself? Quoted? Or by someone else?
  28. Incredulicide Member

    By his wife, who was never in. Should we hold off on that till there's a more public indication from him directly? It's a "to be continued tomorrow" article so we may not have long to wait.
  29. RightOn Member

    ahh, so if he wasn't quoted and it wasn't told by him, I have to say no for now until we hear something out of his mouth or he posts something
    Like you said, is shouldn't be too long of a wait. Maybe he will get interviewed. :)
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  32. I know - sorry, I referred to the link.
  33. RightOn Member

    ah ok. thanks again
  34. Incredulicide Member

    The text at that link is identical to the text of the existing link on his entry (archived version as the server it's on is giving error 500), except your link is 6 months after the original.

    I periodically go through the list and check for broken links and switch them to their archived version (magic how they're always archived LOL) but feel free to mention any you notice before me here.

  36. RightOn Member

    yes, I thought the same. Will she ever admit she was behind all those media leaks?
    I think this is her year to shine. Come on Lisa, chime in and let us add you to the list!
    Anyone a tweeter? Maybe someone can ask her if she wants to be added on Twitter and send here a link to the list!
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