Big List of THOUSANDS of Exes Who Have Spoken Out

Discussion in 'Projects' started by RightOn, Jun 26, 2009.

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  1. Tom Devocht, Marty Rathbun, Jenna Hill Miscavige all knew me. Was in CMO CW as Finance Inspector at FLB. Was married to Lauren Southworth in RTC and was married to Jasmin Lahmann who was made to divorce me to go to RTC too. I have no evidence around any more. Don't really care as I'm have a good life right now. Angie was CO CMO CW when I was there. From South Africa and was in CMO AF before being promoted to Clearwater. Elmien Lochner recruited me for the SO from the Durban South
    Africa org. So there's a few things
  2. TrevAnon Member

    Uhm... I guess my own name is weird too. :p
  3. RightOn Member

    Looks like Gary Wattman has to come off the list :mad:
    According to t e latest post by Karen on ESMB, he is still in.
    I have known Gary Wattman for some 35 years.

    He is an OSA resource and is very much a Scientologist.


    Married to former Abby Wattman, OT 8 now Abby Malnati (4th husband). Gary has been putting out a beggar bowl on fund raising for some years.

    In some freak accident on a movie set some 20 years ago, a huge heavy drum-like metallic object crashed on his skull leaving him somewhat paralysed for a while. The fund raising started back then.

    Pretending he is out of the Scientology Cult, Gary has randomly posted on the South African blog and even Mike Rinder's blog, but all his friends on facebook are die-hard in-the black-hole radical Scientologists of the Cult of Scientology. He has never answered the query "Are you out?"

    Back to 2735
    Need an answer from David if he wants to be added or not too in the other persons place.
    If not, we are back peddling to 2734. :oops:
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  4. Incredulicide Member

    I take David's reply, giving names of people already on the list as knowing him while in, as the action needed for him to be added. Jenna has been contacted via as one who can verify him as being in. Should we add his name now with the option of removing it if Jenna replies with a negative, or wait for a positive response from Jenna first?
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    I think he should ne added. Can't think of why he wouldn't want to be.
    #2737 - David Leigh Levy - Sea Org Finance Inspector, CMO CW, South Africa Org, post on WWP

    I guess he should also be added to the disconnection list too!
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  7. Incredulicide Member

    From his post I'm gathering the divorce was internal changes of post (just because Miscavige is an egomaniacal tyrant) as opposed to the disconnection policy in action itself. Although David is welcome to add a post here (or anywhere) if he was affected by the disconnection policy upon leaving Scientology, and indeed anything else he wants to mention.
    I mean, 15 years in the Sea Org must come with either stints in the RPF or multiple examples of Lower Conditions formulas, and witnessing such treatment of others. There's no such thing as too many details David if you're willing :cool:
  8. I let ESMB know that I cross-posted Karen's information about Gary here. Karen then responded:

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    Yes, Gary Wattman should be removed. He is very much IN. He is also a trusted OSA asset.

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  9. The Wrong Guy Member

    I don't see Roanne Horwich on the list. Tony Ortega published an article titled Never-before-seen photo of Diana Hubbard, daughter of Scientology’s founder, and it mentions her. Quote:

    Diana Hubbard, 64, is the last member of founder L. Ron Hubbard’s family who is still involved with the Church of Scientology. She’s a member of the Sea Organization, and spends most of her time at Scientology’s International Base, near Hemet, California. But our sources who know her tell us that she does have more freedom than a typical Sea Org member, and can come and go on occasion. When she would come into Los Angeles, she would sometimes stay at her mother’s former house on Chislehurst Drive in Los Feliz, until it was sold in 2014.

    Her younger sister and brother, Suzette and Arthur, we’re told both live in the Los Angeles area, but neither of them are involved in Scientology anymore. Meanwhile, any evidence that L. Ron Hubbard ever had any family at all — and certainly not the detail that he had seven children by three different wives — has been completely erased from Scientology’s website today.

    In 2012, Diana’s only child, her daughter Roanne Horwich, 38, escaped from Scientology when she bolted from Int Base within a few months of Ron Miscavige’s escape. Roanne still isn’t talking publicly, but since she got away from Int Base, we’ve learned a few things about her.

    Our sources tell us that she was never close to her mother because Diana left the Sea Org when Roanne was an infant. Roanne was primarily raised by her father, Jonathan Horwich, with help from other Sea Org members at Int Base. When Diana returned to the Sea Org, Roanne had already been forced to join it herself, and they never really connected as mother and child — the Sea Org teaches that family connections are a weakness that only get in the way of “clearing the planet.”

    Today, four years after escaping Int Base, Roanne is working in Los Angeles as a scenic painter in the film union, and she’s reportedly very happy to be out of the Sea Org and out of Scientology.
  10. RightOn Member

    Thanks WG!
    But...." Roanne still isn’t talking publicly"
    That's the problem
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  11. RightOn Member

    How did we miss this guy?
    Michael Davis2011-11-06 09:14
    I didn't know that you existed. After studying Scientlogy for 6 years I was excommuncated in 1993 because of legal issues and deemed Black PR to Scientlogy. LRH had great tech but it was so corrupted and perverted by the present individuals in power not sure will survive.

    not in completions or anywhere else. More sauce? VOTE?
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    #2739 - Judy Mannning - Clear #3592, Guradian's Office, LA, Auditor Monthly Journal Listing 1987, Attended Freezone Convention, speaks @ 58:43

    Wish I can figure out what her name is now on that Freezone vid

    There are people with name tags in this vid too, but I can't make them out.
  17. TrevAnon Member

    Wait. The blog comment I referred to is not Judy speaking out herself, it is some "Valerie" quoting an Auditor Magazine from 1983, proving Judy was in. Exact blog comment:

    So we only have proof of Judy speaking out in the video.
  18. RightOn Member

    correction for Daron Ryan
    It should also read aka Daron Kevin Ryan
    Staff for 20 years not 2
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  21. RightOn Member

    Yes I know. But he was still in. Thats all that matters
    And he is listed as an auditor on the FZ site. His story:

    Amongst a number of problems, after completing the courses I was asked if I could go out and handle an SP. I said I don't know until I tried it . I was flunked. I was made to redo the course. This happened three times. Then I realized that in order to get out of there I had to say "yes". The place was really insane. I recalled from Dianetics that Hubbard said that the PC should always beware of who should be on the couch. I saw that it was them and not I. I then asked qual if the tech was so good why was he was still such a mess after being there for 19 yrs. He blew up. The short story is that I was declared PTS and escorted out of the building. I was furious.

    Long enough for me
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  23. Incredulicide Member

    "I was a staff member 20 years ago and completed a 2.5 year contract"
    I've added Kevin as his middle name.
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  25. RightOn Member

    derp! ok
  26. Possible addition: Sophia Dorinskaya.

    From this post in the Kazakhstan thread:

    It appears the Church of Scientology has Declared that another resident of Kazakhstan (or maybe Russia) is a Suppressive Person. Facebook translations follow. Use auto-translate for the YouTube video. The auto-translation of the YouTube video is particularly bad, so any Russian to English translation help would be appreciated.

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    Dina Tylevich
    August 18 2:39 am AT ·
    I fully share your opinion, and I believe that the Ministry of Defense officials, CA, MDG, complete morons! We were with Danil David also declared Suppressive (verbally of course) but we believe that in this case does not mean "Suppressive Person", and: a thriving, productive, FABULOUS, honesty, integrity, truthfulness, attractive, understand, help, Funny !! !))) Sophia Dorinskaya I adore you!)))

    * * * * * END EXCERPT * * * * *

    The Google translation of the text under the YouTube video is:

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    Published on Jun 24 , 2016
    About malicious rumors spread by the filing of the church psevdosaentologii Mickiewicz .

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  27. Possible addition: Sergey Voldaev

    From this post in a Russia thread:

    Russia TV 5 Investigation of Scientology.

    The date of the report is July 17, 2016. Use Google translation. There is also video at the link.

    The following short Google translated excerpt indicates that the Church of Scientology has exported true, on-Source KSW Scientology to Russia. The "here it is" refers to a letter being shown on the video.

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    For example, Sergey Voldaev long time he spent with his mother in the church, decided one day to get out of it. He wrote a letter, here it is - the man says that his life the last few years has been a nightmare. Mother wrote in response to a denunciation son. And today she wants nothing to hear about his son. Dasas again at work. With the "raw material" - the so-called people who are in the process of treatment - it turns out. With "hot files" - those parishioners who at least once, but bought Scientology services - she is doing, on the contrary, not very. Head, of course, not happy, and so he sends it to the next training. Michael Kozin - the oldest and Honored Worker Church - explains how to behave with difficult clients. In this case, by any means necessary to persuade the person to come to the organization and buy service.

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  29. Wasn't Sophia Dorinskaya adequately verified by Dina Tylevich?

    As for Sergey Voldaev, don't we accept media stories that someone was a Scientologist and left as confirmation that they were, in fact, Scientologists?

    Up to you guys. I will point out, however, that the criticism re Sergey Voldaev could have been asserted against Dina Tylevich. All we have is (in her case, many) news stories reporting she was a Scientologist. I'll also point out that if we reject Sophia and, more importantly, Sergey, we will probably wind up rejecting pretty much everyone from Kazakhstan, Russia, etc., because they tend not to show up in the online Scientology Completions database, have cookie cutter Scientology webpages from the old days, or readily discovererable other web confirmation since their names will be in Russian.

    The case for Sergey mahy be a bit more persuasive than the case for Sophia, since he appears in a news story about Scientology. Still, it appears to me that Dina confirms Sophia was in. YMMV
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  30. Incredulicide Member

    Yes, that counts as someone on the list verifying she was in. Sophia should be added.
    and yes, we accept journalists have done due diligence for news articles which counts as verification. Sergey should be added.
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  31. TrevAnon Member

    I understand Nan Herst Bowers (already on) is AKA Nan Kugler, her name while in. All of her three sons (Brad, Todd and Ryan Kugler) disconnected, and that she also doesn't see her grandchildren (7).

    Got this from her by PM.
  32. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Hm, theres the 'speaking out' part that is often hard to determine imho unless there is first party testimony/allegory/whatever, possible associations-blah-blah, not so much eh. You folks have done a fine jorb of keeping the shit straight, and thusly, the Big List goes on and grows, I see nary and end to it. Creeping up on 3k, who'd have thunk that a while back when the aims was 500, bloody brilliant!
    Cheers and best regards to all the people who spend some parts of their time to help get the truth out about this vile construct of L Ron Hubbard.
    I've always figured that this list would be ,um, like 20x bigger if everyone disenfranchised spoke out, but as we all know by now over the years, most people would rather forget the whole thing, especially if they only got partly ripped off, as in, run away and carry on. no idea, am blathering, i go now...

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  33. TrevAnon Member

    ^ Speed of additions has been going down considerably last year. When I post about it at Rinder's or the Bunker or elsewhere I get a few likes but that's about it. I guess we found all the SP's, not so many people interested anymore... ;)

    Looks to be the same for the disconnection list. :confused:
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  34. Incredulicide Member

    Extra link for Brian J. Sheen, already on - video:
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  35. ^^^^^^^Fantastic video.............So sorry for Brian and his daughter..........

    Scientology's brutal LRH disconnection policy must be ended. Sickening!
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  36. RightOn Member

    and Thanks Ogs!
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  39. Trev, I sent you this message on FB yesterday. Here it is now. Let me know how to copy links to send you.
    'Richard Royce posted on FB 8hrs ago. Check my wall with his short story. I don't see him on your new list ~ didn't check the other. I would send you a link but don't know how.'
    This is to his FB page: but not sure if the posts are public.

  40. Yeah im larisa Nicole smith and that's a screenshot of a pic from my fb account. My parents are not Larry and Sandra smith thoughs
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