Big List of THOUSANDS of Exes Who Have Spoken Out

Discussion in 'Projects' started by RightOn, Jun 26, 2009.

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  1. The Wrong Guy Member

    A mini-trove of early Scientology materials has some gems for us today

    By Tony Ortega, January 31, 2018


    We’ve written a couple of fun stories about Rebecca McKee McCaffrey, who most recently regaled us with some sketchy stories about growing up as a teenager in Scientology. Since then, she’s been going through her family’s files, and we want to thank her for sending us some interesting items from Scientology’s heyday.

    One of them was a photo of young L. Ron Hubbard that Hubbard’s daughter, Katie Gillespie, sent to Rebecca’s mother, Elaine. According to the note that Katie sent, the photo was taken a month before Hubbard turned 17.

    That would put it at February 1928 when Ron was a junior at Helena High School in Montana, after spending the previous summer in Asia with his mom, and seeing his dad in Guam. (For a review of Hubbard’s high school years, see our previous story which for the first time revealed his mediocre school grades.)

    Three months after this photo was taken, in May 1928, Hubbard got into some kind of altercation at the school and then left Helena before the end of the school year, making his way back to Washington and then on a ship to Guam to see his parents again.

    Rebecca also included a 1963 pamphlet, “Introducing Scientology,” which contained some actual Scientology exercises that we thought you’d have some fun doing. Take a look.

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  2. TrevAnon Member

    See pic for confirmation "our" Jeffrey Levine was in from Dan Locke.

    Copied a short FB message conversation with their permission. (And I explained him that the confirmation was about Jeffrey, not me, :D )

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  5. Incredulicide Member

    Well done sir! I knew you'd get there in the end :cool:
    Current total count is 2850
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  6. TrevAnon Member

    In 2007 a Steven James started posting on ESMB as a guest (which may be why I never noticed him).

    From what I understand he was in and went to the freezone, but later left those also.

    In the last thread Terril (already on) says he knows / knew him. Steven says he was in London, AFAIK Terril is a Brit. I haven't found real evidence he was in but I'd guess he was (as again AFAIK not many people join freezone while never having been in). So I say we add him.
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  8. TrevAnon Member

    We'll get to 3,000 somehow! :D
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  9. Incredulicide Member

    Extra link for Dave Richards - video interview

    Also added to disconnection list - daughter Megan disconnected
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  11. Incredulicide Member

    Extra link and info for Sands Hall already on - left after 10 years - CCLA, AOLA - video interview
  12. TrevAnon Member

    Hey Incred, you are one busy bee. :) What is all that link resurrenction about? :confused: So much linkrot? :eek:
  13. Incredulicide Member

    Yep. Hope to make it all the way to Z by the weekend :D

    Many links as they age, like "print friendly" versions of articles that we prefer for the list, get deprecated as sites get updated with new frameworks. For instance the Village Voice no longer has print versions of pages, so I have to use the Wayback Machine version for those older articles that did.

    The factnet site is gone now, so that's a lot of links to switch to Waybacked versions. :confused:
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    Let me know if I can somehow help. :)
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    It looks like I stopped after W, but Y and Z have no broken links, and X doesn't exist yet :cool:
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    Extra link for Joey Chait already on

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  19. Incredulicide Member

    Kudos on the spotlight Trev, all praise well deserved!

    Has the link to it been posted on reddit yet?
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    No, I don't have an account and almost never go there. You or anyone else? :confused:

    (ETA there is someone else over there using trevanon as a login.)
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  22. Incredulicide Member

    Quora excludes all its pages from the wayback machine, time for a screenshot!
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  24. Incredulicide Member

    We've previously left off a Jonathan Moore for being too common, so dunno..
    Note: Waybacked version of petition link
  25. TrevAnon Member

    I think there is a difference there. For people "only" signing a petition (IIRC) we always wanted other evidence. Now this person is speaking out on Rinders's blog. That's why I posted here, and not in the to be confirmed thread.

    (Now what do we do if you stick to your point of view and I stick to mine...?! :D At least for now no RO to make the final decision, ha ha ha... :p Should we ask Sue? Or The Wrong Guy? )
  26. Incredulicide Member

    I don't have a point of view, hence the "dunno"

    I was just pointing out this particular name is common enough to have previously been kept off the list.. for being too common! LOL

    Not to say we can't get past that irony. Something we have is being open for anyone to "disprove" names on the list, but we probably need parameters that at least decrease the chances of a common name we find a match for in completions being incorrect when that name in speaking out does not mention anything about having been in.

    I'll propose some here, let me know if you see them as acceptable Trev:

    Do not add a common name if:
    • Neither the name speaking out or the name in completions has a middle initial, AND
    • It is evident the completions name is only one person, ie. only one completion in the database for them
    Do add a common name if:
    • It is uniquely evident there is more than one person in the database matching the name, ie. besides entries with no middle initial, there are at least 2 entries with different middle initials, OR
    • We know the middle initial of the name speaking out, which makes it easier for others on the list to prove/disprove by being familiar enough to the point of knowing the middle initial of the name in the database which doesn't have one.
    We can disregard all the above and just add the common name if in speaking out the person mentions dates or a time period of being in that doesn't conflict with the completion dates in the database.

    Here's how applying these criteria works on the two given examples:

    Jonathan Moore speaking out (signature) has no middle initial and either does the single database completion, so we do not add him with the current info. More info in future could of course allow us to add him.

    John Moore speaking out (comment) has more than one unique entry matching him in completions (two entries have different middle initials), so we do add him with the current info. Someone from the list in future who knows both the people in completions by their middle initials could of course say they're both still in which is enough disproof to remove his name, because absent names with middle initials we no longer have a way to decrease the chances of him being a never in with a common name commenting.

    Voting for inclusion can still happen on common names that don't fit in the above parameters, and anyone paying close attention can see at least one example that doesn't fit, ie. If a common name speaks out about being in but gives no indication of a time period/dates.
  27. TrevAnon Member

    Well thought over proposal. I agree. Yay! :)
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    It's also fair to say Dave/David Turner is a common name, and he doesn't talk about being in.

    We'd need to vote on it because the completions fall outside the parameters from above, ie. Do you think there is more than one David Turner in completions? There are multiple entries for both "David Turner" and "David Glenn Turner" but they could be the same person omitting their middle name, we're missing the crucial additional entry with a different middle initial/name to definitively say there's more than one David Turner having been in that would decrease our chances of the match being incorrect.

    There's an overlap in that the last entry for David Glenn Turner is 2006 (IAS status donation), and the first entry (and only one from last millennium) for David Turner is 1989. There's also a decade gap of no completions at all in the 90s after they're (almost) exclusively David Glenn Turner's completions, and before they become exclusively David Turner's completions.

    Unfortunately the combined completions can be seen as quite linear progress up "The Bridge" for one person with the decade break between going Clear and beginning the OT levels being a reasonably logical one, so I'm not convinced it's multiple people.

    Unless/until he comments again giving either his middle initial/name or a time period/dates of being in that don't conflict with the completions database, I'll have to vote no on this common name.
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  30. Incredulicide Member

    Extra link for Nancy Mclean - article
  31. Incredulicide Member

    Leaving this here, just in case they're forthcoming in future with a name ,;)
  32. TrevAnon Member

    Also, that was an 8000 get. :p
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    He only shows up in the completions database with a cookie cutter site mention when I fiddle with the url that for some reason needs completion results of other names before it shows him. So: does not list him does list him

    This means there may be a whole lot more names on the list (and the need help confirming list) hidden in the completions database because they only have cookie cutter sites.
  35. TrevAnon Member

    The second listing gave me a server error when I clicked on the link to the actual cookie cutter site?

    However I found this on: and this listing by Don Carlo on OCMB

    Apart from that I almost always just google a person and not go straight to completions, so I don't think I missed many names. At least I hope so. :p
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  36. Incredulicide Member

    All the original cookie cutter site/pages have been long dead, so we use archived copies on the Wayback Machine. This also means as far as google is concerned the cookie cutter sites won't themselves appear in google's search results.

    I forgot to show the actual URLs I used when adding him, the one for his name is:
    and the one for his location is:
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  37. Incredulicide Member

    Uh-oh, it's not just the cookie cutter site database, it's also the Clear database and some others:

    Just doing last names beginning from Aa to Ai I found four Clears and a donation. :eek:
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  39. Incredulicide Member

    Sure I'll put a link to it from each of the board members' entries on the list: Luis Garcia, Aaron Smith-Levin, Claire Headley, Marc Headley, Christie Collbran and Mike Rinder
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    Extra link for Allen Stanfield - video
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