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Bob and Trish Duggan propping up South Africa Scientology Ideal Orgs

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  1. Bob and Trish Duggan propping up South Africa Scientology Ideal Orgs.

    Please take note the identities of the people who are propping up the Scientology Ideal Orgs in
    South Africa.

    From the South African Independent Scientology blog, Scientologists getting back in comm:

    Meet your new Ideal Org Whales
    http://backincomm.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/meet-your-new-ideal-org-whales/#more-1206
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  2. Random guy Member

    Why would the Duggans pay for the failed SA idle morgue program? Doesn't he already have several "only for him" staus levels with matching gaudy trophies?
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  3. tinfoilhatter Member

    Man, better hope he doesn't get caught dumping company money into CO$. If i was on the board of directors, i would be watching him like hawk.

    They are a publicly traded company, that means that by law they have to pay outside accounting firms to audit them, so thankfully the company is "safe".

    However, this type of activity would make anyone on the board of directors nervous. I can see some lulz occurring around this in the future.
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  4. Quentinanon Member

    I wonder if Bob Duggan has a self-sacrifice lifetrap, which some culties use to push his guilt buttons to get money. Clearly, the subsidies the cult receives just postpone the inevitability of closed orgs. A prudent businessman would NOT engage in that sort of charity. Even he is being manipulated.
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  5. tinfoilhatter Member


    Maybe he is plotting on overthrowing DM? OR, he is plotting a nasty lawsuit.

    it is rather strange that he is doing this in south africa after a whole bunch of people have been declared. Furthermore, with all his wonderful status inside the cult, he probably has some loyal supporters, maybe even some people inside the OSA.

    Then again, we also do not know what is in his folder. What did he do to get to the top?
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  6. Quentinanon Member

    Subtle blackmail could be part of the Duggan manipulation game. In any case, for a high-roller businessman like Duggan to engage in such highly irrational contributions, guilt, from whatever source, is the factor.
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  7. tinfoilhatter Member


    the cult never ceases to amaze me with their stupidity. Mr duggin is a high profile man with a lot of money and is connected to a very important company. I believe that prism is more for monitoring the rich and business then it is on the every day person. No doubt the government, other businessmen, and people in his own company know about his Co$ connections, and monitor him. There are plenty of people waiting to pounce once when something stupid occurs.
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  8. Random guy Member

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  9. RightOn Member

    derp moar shiny pieces of crap plox
    Man! what a waste of green
    Perhaps Duggan needs to get rid of some cash
    That's my guess
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    Karen#1 commented on this:
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    Karen#1 on March 22, 2014 at 8:19 am said:
    http://bobduggan.org/
    It is not known whether Bob Duggan is ashamed to be connected to Scientology as he studiously avoids the word in his website Bob Duggan the Philanthropist.
    Bob Duggan has likely given the *CHURCH* much much more than $20 million. The IAS is only one of the Church money extortion entities. He has vastly donated to Super Power, to Ideal orgs, BASICS,. FREEWINDS, for FSO services, the Ls etc etc etc.
    If Charmaine Rodgers is his Registrar, I can guess he has forked over $100 million in the last 35 years….
    So now he is funding Ideal Orgs South Africa.
    Miscavige ribbon cutting Photo Ops will boast that South Africa is booming out the roof hence the needs for vast new Real Estate. The truth being one whale cut the check.
    Now the question is ~~ what is Duggan’s new interest in South Africa ?
    Santa Barbara Org on State Street is a grotesque old building that radiates an odor or mustiness and an aging smell. It hits you as you enter. So this dinosaur building exists on Duggan’s door step, no money for Santa Barbara while he sends money to South Africa ? Hmmmmmmmm.

    http://en.gravatar.com/karendelac
    http://backincomm.wordpress.com/2014/03/22/meet-your-new-ideal-org-whales/#more-1206
  11. Random guy Member

    ^^Imagine what that money could have done if given to an actual charity...^^
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  12. RolandRB Member

    That would be "rewarding downstats" which a Scientologist would never do.
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  13. tinfoilhatter Member

    all the more reason to tear down this cult.
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    Bob & Trish Duggan with 3 of their children
    David, Dante and Diana

    Saysomething on March 22, 2014 at 5:54 am said:
    And what about all their children? Now that’s a whole other story. I know a few problem ones are there in South Africa. Being cared for by Scuentologists. Very strange set up.
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  15. RolandRB Member

    His money is needed to out-create the SPs there.
  16. tinfoilhatter Member

    What got me about the south african orgs, was the story from one of the ex culties that was able to escape. When she first got into the cult, she thought it was a "job" and when she told her mother that she was working for scientology, her mothers response was "but you don't know anything about science". the thread is somewhere on WWP. It makes me wonder how the cult was selling itself in South Africa, and if anyone there is aware of what the cult really is.
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  18. http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...ogy-Ideal-Orgs&p=917372&viewfull=1#post917372


    http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...ogy-Ideal-Orgs&p=917378&viewfull=1#post917378
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  19. tinfoilhatter Member

    Funny thing about FDA approval, sometimes(often) the FDA makes mistakes. Sometimes they discover that they have let a dangerous product out on the market. That would totaly suck for mr duggan if the found something wrong with his cancer drug.

    OR

    A bunch of the other members of the board are uncomfortable with having a scilon at the helm, so they are negotiating behind his back for a "hostile" take over of the company with BIG PHARMA(may they forever bless us with big fat paychecks, stock options and unlimited pschdrugs long live xenu).

    OR
    One of those independent accounting firms found something fishy, and have notified the proper authorities.
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  20. RolandRB Member

    Why do they need these whales when they have OTs? Just send an OT to a casino with $10 and then spend the $10M profit they make on an Ideal Org.
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  21. RightOn Member

    why bother? they can just postulate their own fucking planet and leave
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  22. anon8109 Member

    How self-delusion works in OTs.

    Spend 10 years and half a million dollars trying to get imaginary superpowers that you are told over and over are real.
    You are told you got the magic superpower, YAY!
    You try to use them, and they usually don't work. I guess you're doing something wrong.
    That one time you tried using them they actually did work! The traffic light obeyed your command! You now have proof that these magic powers are real.
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  23. RightOn Member

    indeed. But their OT powerz are never for anything big. Although I do remember the story of the one OT stopping a Tsunami wave lol!
    And they can't say their OT powerz don't work to anyone because someone will write a KR on them and or will have to pay for a butt load of auditing.
    Hate say it.. but again.... genius. Cruel as hell, but genius
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  24. DeathHamster Member

    Hopefully there are some real medical researchers involved in this approval loop.

    Big Pharma MBAs wanting to get a hot new product to market, combined with people desperate to try any hope is a very dangerous combination mixed with the Scientologist tendency to swallow the woo, get the stats up, cut all corners and just plain lie.
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  25. tinfoilhatter Member


    How many scilons are in that company? Is he the only one, or is it infested? OI don't know if that would be lulzy or just sad if it turned out that the scilons lied about the drugs effectiveness, and its biting them in the ass.
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  26. Random guy Member

    Cult minion Duggan is just financing and selling the stuff. He does neither have the knowledge nor the intelligence to develop such medicine himself.
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  27. DeathHamster Member

    The person controlling the purse can influence quite a lot. People who say things like "Hm, the results are interesting, but there's no hard evidence yet" probably don't last long at Pharmacyclics.

    Johnson & Johnson presumably looked carefully at it, but the people who control the purses there probably aren't qualified either, and they could get rich even if it flops or fizzles.

    That leaves the FDA do the double-checking.

    It's a system prone to abuse if not kept in check, so I just hope someone qualified is watching carefully. This isn't some harmless vitamin woo like Emergen-C.
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  28. It's those out of body experiences and similar things that can often occur and clinch it for Scilons. It just has to happen once. After that, proof is no longer needed or desired. Of course, if you never get any more OT experiences; it's your fault or there is a squirrel somewhere.

    http://www.oliversacks.com/books/hallucinations/
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  29. tinfoilhatter Member


    the competition watches it. Pharmaceuticals are cutthroat. Especially if its someone new to the game that would be a great acquisition.There are a lot of companies that would profit if they failed.
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  30. Maybe Bob and Trish are also helping to keep the tech pure in South Africa.

    WARNING SCIENTOLOGY LINK:

    kswlions.wordpress.com/under-the-radar-no-more/

    Read it if you can. Everybody needs to be reminded of just how crazy Scientologists sound when they are on the rampage against their perceived enemies. If nothing else, the comments are pure comic relief.

    See if you can comment and add to the insanity. Just do your best imitation of a Scientologist. It shouldn't be too hard. If you must add some potshot at the cult, just disguise it so that it goes over the moderators head. I wouldn't myself. I'm just going to rage against the squirrels, Big Pharma, and those paid whores from Anonymous. Add a bit of ''Hip Hip Hooray'', and some ''Rah Rah Rah'' and that should about do it. Why not? If it makes them look even more ridiculous.
  31. DeathHamster Member

    Obviously this is OSA-approved Dev-T.
    Otherwise: "You've been reading entheta? Report to Ethics!"
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  32. Quentinanon Member

    Here are a few scientology slogans:
    out-ethics cat, total SP, PTS as hell, on a circuit, dramatising, banky, miss witholdy, on-source, on-policy, in-ethics, command intention, total effect, DB, glee of insanity, caved-in, entheta.
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    SVP


    Ramses Erdtmann

    Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Administration
    Ramses Erdtmann began his career in Europe as an investment banker. He was accepted into the Investment Banking Program of Commerzbank in Germany after he graduated with distinction from the Westfaelische Wilhelms Universitaet in Muenster, majoring in financing and banking.

    He was later recruited by the asset management arm of Commerzbank and became a portfolio manager for international clients. The portfolio assets under management exceeded $1 billion dollars.

    In 1994 he co-founded a German-based real estate company, United Properties Immobilien & Anlagen GmbH, which to date has successfully developed over 30 different projects and manages a portfolio of over 250 units. His main area of responsibility has been setting up the organization and overseeing the financial aspects of its operations.

    Mr. Erdtmann came to the US in the mid-nineties to manage the assets for a US equity pool and several European investors. He became actively involved in some of the holding companies and served on several of their boards.

    Building on his European network, he has since consulted for high net-worth individuals and closed-end funds, and actively advised in the selection of US investments for over $500 million. Furthermore, he finalized over $120 million of equity and debt transactions for private equity partnerships.

    http://www.pharmacyclics.com/aboutMember-rainerE.html
    Ramses Erdtmann in Scientology's Published Service Completion Lists

    The following 12 individual completions for Ramses Erdtmann appear in official Scientology publications:
    Ramses Erdtmann ACADEMY LEVEL III Source 49 1985-11-01
    Ramses Erdtmann ACADEMY LEVEL IV Source 51 1986-03-01
    Ramses Erdtmann CLASS IV INTERNSHIP Source 55 1987-01-01
    Ramses Erdtmann NEW OT VI SOLO NOTS AUDITING COURSE Source 60 1987-12-01
    Ramses Erdtmann HUBBARD PERSONAL ETHICS AND INTEGRITY COURSE Source 61 1988-02-01
    Ramses Erdtmann NEW OT VII SOLO NOTS COMPLETION Source 64 1988-11-01
    Ramses Erdtmann NEW OT VIII Freewinds 1 1989-12-01
    Ramses Erdtmann ROUTE TO INFINITY Freewinds 1 1989-12-01
    Ramses Erdtmann HUBBARD KEY TO LIFE COURSE Source 79 1992-03-01
    Ramses Erdtmann HUBBARD LIFE ORIENTATION COURSE Source 80 1992-05-01
    Ramses Erdtmann SOLO NOTS AUDITOR CERTAINTY COURSE, PART I Source 109 1997-08-01
    Ramses Erdtmann SOLO NOTS AUDITOR CERTAINTY COURSE, PART II Source 111 1997-11-01

    http://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/r/ramses-erdtmann.html
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    snip:
    Duggan owns almost 20 percent of Pharmacyclics shares, and controls another 500,000 shares he manages on behalf of undisclosed high net worth individuals, according to filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission.

    snip:
    By the mid-1980s, Duggan’s reputation for investing had spread throughout Scientology, according to Reed Slatkin in a January 2000 deposition to the SEC. Slatkin had administered Scientology counseling to Duggan and his wife, and began assisting Duggan with investment research around 1983.
    Slatkin said in his deposition that Duggan’s approach to investing was inspired by Benjamin Graham. Duggan would visit companies such as floppy disk makers Tandon Corp. and Dysan Corp. to learn about their businesses from executives before buying stock.
    Boardroom Coup

    During his time assisting Duggan, Slatkin said he made a couple hundred thousand dollars on his original investment over a year and a half, according to the deposition.
    By the time Slatkin sold his stakes, the initial $200,000 he made with Duggan had grown into $13 million.
    Slatkin was convicted in 2003 of defrauding investors of about $590 million, funds that were mostly from other Scientologists. He is imprisoned in a federal facility in Lompoc, California, and didn’t respond to an interview request made through his attorney, Brian A. Sun of Jones & Day. Slatkin will be released in May and is no longer a Scientologist, said Sun. Duggan wasn’t involved in the fraud, and said he had just a brief association with Slatkin in the 1980s.
    “I unsuccessfully attempted to instruct Mr. Slatkin in a fundamental, thorough, research oriented, approach to stock market investing. It did not catch on with him and thus he was of no help to what I was doing. That fast we parted ways, it was my call. You can lead a horse to water but you can not make him drink,” said Duggan in his e-mail.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...r-becomes-a-billionaire-with-cancer-drug.html

    MILLIONS INVESTED LOCALLY


    Mr. Slatkin invested approximately $7 million into five Santa Barbara-area businesses, according to court documents. There could be more. Remaining assets could be seized and sold by the trustee.

    His connections to local companies dates back to his earliest days as an investor in 1983 and 1984 when Robert Duggan, now president of Computer Motion, taught him how to pick stocks.
    Those early years were good, Mr. Slatkin said.

    "We probably had a couple of two-or-three-hundred-percent years," he told SEC investigators back in February 2000.

    Although he stopped investing with Mr. Duggan, Mr. Slatkin ultimately bought about 74,000 shares of Computer Motion, the Goleta-based medical device firm run by his old friend.

    http://www.newspress.com/slatkin/trustee.html

  35. DeathHamster Member

    So... How many patients got a double-blind placebo in this munchkin study, and what percentage did that "helped control" the malignancy? (What does "helped control" even fucking mean? Could you quantify it any less?)

    It's hard to see the large amount of weasel words in this article for overflowing coating of drool, saliva and pre-cum from the investment types. All those sort of people will get hugely rich, even if this thing is a complete bust. Careful note should be made of who cashed-out their chips early if this proves to be a flop, because the relatives of the hopeful deceased should put them up against the wall first.

    Of 116 patents:
    *78.88 patients or 68%, it "helped control" the malignancy.
    *37.12 patents or 32%, it didn't.
    **Of that number, some got worse. (Where is this number?)
    ***Of the worse cases, a percentage suffered spontaneous human combustion. (Might be 0%, who can say.)
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  37. tinfoilhatter Member

    By the mid-1980s, Duggan’s reputation for investing had spread throughout Scientology, according to Reed Slatkin in a January 2000 deposition to the SEC. Slatkin had administered Scientology counseling to Duggan and his wife, and began assisting Duggan with investment research around 1983.
    Slatkin said in his deposition that Duggan’s approach to investing was inspired by Benjamin Graham. Duggan would visit companies such as floppy disk makers Tandon Corp. and Dysan Corp. to learn about their businesses from executives before buying stock.
    Boardroom Coup

    Isn't this insider trading? I have to look this up now.
  38. tinfoilhatter Member


    If they cash out early, that IS insider trading. Its also evidence of other wrong doing.

    frabz-Watch-how-you-judge-Only-one-of-these-two-is-a-convicted-felon-cf418c.jpg
  39. Quentinanon Member

    "Duggan owns almost 20 percent of Pharmacyclics shares, and controls another 500,000 shares he manages on behalf of undisclosed high net worth individuals, according to filings with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission."

    Very significant information. Might we know any of those "undisclosed high net worth individuals"? (or corporations?)
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  40. Quentinanon Member

    “I unsuccessfully attempted to instruct Mr. Slatkin in a fundamental, thorough, research oriented, approach to stock market investing. It did not catch on with him and thus he was of no help to what I was doing. That fast we parted ways, it was my call. You can lead a horse to water but you can not make him drink,” said Duggan in his e-mail.

    So Bob, I infer from your comment that, with all your OT powerz, you failed to spot this "total SP". And the organisation that gave you OT powerz failed to identify him as well. But the "WOGS" in the U.S. Justice Department did detect Slatkin as a criminal. So are their super powerz mightier than your super powerz?
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