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Body Death Assist

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by OTBT, Mar 9, 2009.

  1. OTBT Member

    Body Death Assist

    Ever wonder how scientologists assist "parishioners" in a smooth transition to body death?

    Here is a "win" from New Era Seniors Inc., a scilon web page:

    http://s40183.gridserver.com/wp-includes/images/newsletters/Nesi_Newsletter20-2007.pdf

    New Era Seniors Inc (NESI) is accepting donations:

    NEW ERA SENIORS INC. (NESI) How You Can Help

    NESI home page

    NEW ERA SENIORS INC. (NESI) Home

    I guess this option is for scilons who don't want to "causatively drop their body" with Vistaril injections in their butt, and hallucinating about Body Thetans, like their Founder, L. Ron Hubbard.
  2. NoScope Member

    Re: Body Death Assist

    I'm pretty sure I would have beat the shit out of that guy if he started laughing when my father died.
  3. Anonymous Member

    Re: Body Death Assist

    Did you read this shit????



    WHAT IS AN ADVANCED HEALTH CARE DIRECTIVE? (AHCD)

    An Advanced Health Care Directive is a document that you

    fill out while you are in good health and good state of mind,

    which outlines the treatment you are to be given or are not

    to be given when you are not in good health and are not

    able to speak for yourself.

    This document has the force of law and cannot be violated.

    Copies must be given to your agents, all the doctors you

    ever see, lawyers, family members, your hospital if you

    have a regular one, and your State Attorney Office, etc.

    If you fill out the AHCD intelligently it protects you from

    damaging treatments and from being resuscitated if you

    would then live as a vegetable, or from being force fed and

    kept alive unwillingly by machines if you would otherwise

    transition peacefully to your next lifetime. You can require

    that if an “unsuccessful” resuscitation occurs, your body is

    not to be kept alive by machines etc.

    In the AHCD you can stipulate that “no psychiatric drugs,

    antidepressants, anti-psychotics, anti-manics or major tranquilizers

    are to be used and absolutely no psychiatric treatment

    or evaluation is to be done at all because of your religious

    beliefs.

    You can state that all mental and emotional care is to be

    delivered by a practitioner/minister/volunteer minister of the

    Church of Scientology or your named agents, all of whom

    are to be allowed unrestricted access to you.” (That wording

    is very important!)

    You can state that you want no drugs at all other than mild

    pain medication and antibiotics and even these must be

    cleared by your agent.

    You can require no surgery, bloodless surgery (wherever

    possible) or you can designate the persons to supply their

    blood if you need it (must get their agreement before listing

    them.)

    You can stipulate what drugs can be used. (Visaril is an

    acceptable mild pain drug or Klonopin for a short time or if

    the body is dying.)

    If your body gets a painful terminal disease and will die,

    you can stipulate that food (or food and water) are to be

    withheld so it is not prolonged.

    You can stipulate that you do not want to be transported to

    a hospital

    In the AHCD you designate an “agent” (friend or family

    member, etc.) who can enforce your wishes and make decisions

    in line with the instructions you outline in the document.

    (You may also designate other back-up agents if you

    change your mind about the first one or if he/she is not

    available at the time such a decision is needed.) The document

    stipulates at what point in your health your agent’s

    authority becomes effective and what responsibilities

    he/she has after your body’s death.

    You should try to make all the decisions in your AHCD so

    your agent doesn’t have to make them. But appoint an

    agent who thinks like you and would make the decisions

    you want if he/she had to make them.

    You can state in your AHCD that if your body is dying and

    you are going to transition to another, that you be sent to a

    hospice and all food and water is to be withheld and only

    water misting is to be done to keep you comfortable until

    the body stops and you can move on to your next one.

    You can absolutely require that they don’t keep the body

    alive but you cannot require that they kill it.

    The AHCD can also be used to direct organ donations after

    you have finished using your body and can outline your

    instructions for disposition of the body when you have

    moved on to your next one.

    You can stipulate in your AHCD that there is no autopsy of

    your discarded body unless required by law.

    You can require cremation of the body after you have left it

    and can say what you want done with the body’s ashes.

    In the AHCD you should appoint your agent as your conservator,

    otherwise the courts will appoint some stranger

    rather than a family member or friend and the stranger may

    be pro-psychiatry etc. (A “will” does not name a conservator

    – only the AHCD allows you to name your own conservator.)

    – There is both conservatorship of a person and

    conservatorship of an estate (who will run it).

    (The AHCD can not designate disposition of any other possessions

    than your body and a “will” is required for outlining

    your instructions for those.)

    You should also do a “Power of Attorney” that gives your

    agent your power if you get Alzheimer disease and are

    mentally incapacitated but are going to live on for years.

    BUT include that it only takes effect if and when you are

    fully incapacitated (or else it takes effect at once and you

    have given you power away while you still need it). Your

    AHCD does not handle what the Power of Attorney (PoA)

    handles. The PoA is about handling your “property” when

    you can’t handle it yourself - so appoint someone you totally

    trust and the PoA must state that it is “durable” –

    meaning it continues on while you are incapacitated.

    A “will” is needed to ensure what you want done with your

    property occurs.

    A “living trust” allows you to pass on your property to family

    seamlessly without probate and long delays.

    These other documents will be discussed more in the future.

    Various forms for Advanced Health Care Directives are

    available on-line.
  4. RightOn Member

    Re: Body Death Assist

    I guess thats why the Travoltas got their life back to "normal" so quickly???
    Guess it's as eventful as when a goldfish dies.
    How dare Scientologists belittle people's lives like that and treat lives like some trivial piece of crap!
  5. 33755 Member

    Re: Body Death Assist

    I am horrified! Stunned! Speechless!
  6. OTBT Member

    Re: Body Death Assist

    http://s40183.gridserver.com/wp-includes/images/newsletters/NesiNewsletter10-2005.pdf

    http://s40183.gridserver.com/wp-includes/images/newsletters/NesiNewsletter12-2005.pdf

    Here is a "success story" on a new body:

    http://s40183.gridserver.com/wp-includes/images/newsletters/NesiNewsletter18-2006.pdf

  7. anonymous612 Member

    Re: Body Death Assist

    ...wut.
  8. Anonymous Member

    Re: Body Death Assist

    I knew Julie Schwartz. She was nutsoid. She's been a Scientologist since 1979 and hasn't had a man since I knew her around - thinking thinking - 2001. So she's still single, eh?
  9. OTBT Member

    Re: Body Death Assist

    What-----Who? - alt.religion.scientology | Google Groups

  10. kitfisto Member

    Re: Body Death Assist

    I am soooooo not surprised by any of this . The woman reminds me of this completely out of touch moron who I used to work with at an inpatient drug rehabilitation center . This woman was a flake . You know the type I'm sure . She was a porcupine looking white lady who co-opted Native American spiritual beliefs and tried to push it on the patients . Half the time she pronounced the words wrong , and had a fake as hell concerned look on her face at all times . God , she sucked . No one liked her at all . I have a feeling no one really likes this woman either . They just kind of tolerate her. Or , they all suck as bad as she does .
  11. Budd Member

    Re: Body Death Assist

    "It was known that Diane was very close to death, and it would have
    been a public relations flap if she had died on the base. So Shawn was
    ordered to take her off the base to his mother's house so she could
    die there. Being a good Sea Org member, Shawn drove her, screaming and
    moaning, to his mother's house where she was laid under an air
    conditioner.

    "Diane died within two days. She did not die of cancer. She died of
    starvation."

    Are they speaking of Diane Molly... or Terry Schiavo?
  12. anonymous612 Member

    Re: Body Death Assist

    Waiiit a second.

    Well, fuck.
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  13. xenubarb Member

    I'm sure it makes it easier for them to ignore the loss.
  14. RightOn Member

    I agree Barb
  15. anonymous612 Member

  16. OTBT Member

    Scientology works and it helps people die.
  17. Ever since I left Scientology I realized just how weird some of the Scientologists I knew were.

    It wasn't until I started reading this board that I see just how deep that weirdness goes. It seems bottomless. I am so glad that I left.
  18. Paroxetine Samurai Moderator

    I agree with you barb, but I have seen this also done outside Scientology.

    Example: I knew somebody who had a baby that died a few days after birth and took him home. The truth be told, that baby was mega lucky to have lived those very short few days. The poor child had major birth defects of the heart and no amount of medicine could have prevented this. They of course were devastated. However, when they had another baby, they acted like John Travolta: Very happy and very relieved. Of course they still were upset about the loss of their first baby, but the second baby helped a lot with the loss.They acted, in public or in my presence, as if the loss of the first child was behind them.

    However, they were NOT Scientologists nor did they even know what Scientology is. Also, they would have shunned Scientology if they were approached by a recruiter.

    My point? People, both Scientologists and non-Scientologists alike, grieve differently. The details in the OP don't give much in the way of details as to whether or not the family involved knew this was coming. If I had to guess, I'd say yes. Therefore, they went through the 5 Stages of Grief prior to this encounter. Even IF they were not aware or covered it up in Scientology bullshit, they went through it regardless.

    So John Travolta's and the OP's story of the daughter isn't a big deal for me. Its what people go through, but instead of saying "We went through the grieving process..." they are saying "Scientology works and it helps people...". Perhaps unaware that former is probably what happened.
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  19. DeathHamster Member

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  20. timthephoto Member

    i like the way they take to a family berivement & shamelessly go after assets almost without taking time for breath
    really if anything epitomizes scientology it is this
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  21. CarterUSP Member

    What I don't get is how scilons give these success stories, I think there's at least one like this in "Have you lived before this life?", saying about how great it is to be able to help someone 'end cycle' and float off somewhere...
    ... then they tell you that when you die, your thetan goes off to some cosmic implant station where you get zapped, brainwashed and implanted before being blaster back to Teegeeack, the prison planet. Scilons tell you that you HAVE to go full OT this time around, or end up back at the between-lives area, being implanted again.
    SO WHY IS SENDING SOME HAPLESS THETAN BACK TO IMPLANT STATIONS SUCH A GREAT THING TO CELEBRATE AND THANK LRH FOR?
  22. DeathHamster Member

    Scientology teaches you not to go back to the implant station when you die. In fact, NESI takes the elderly out shopping for new bodies:
    Hubbard's next step was to have high level Scientologists travel to Mars (leaving their bodies behind) and tell arriving dead people to go home.
    (The audio of that would be great to have. Hubbard's obviously talking with a racist "Chinese" accent there.)
  23. Incredulicide Member

    Sounds like an episode of Stargate..
  24. CarterUSP Member

    Yes, for those beings sufficiently processed to be rid of their whole track 'forgetter' implants et al, but some of the accounts of scilons i've read just send the (no doubt still aberrated) thetan away from the body, not process out whole track implants.

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