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Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find You're wrong. This is information already in the public domain being discussed further. It's very difficult for people to speak out. Feeling they have back up means the choice becomes more open to them. And if the cult fucked with you at any age, you don't forget. Until Anonymous and ESMB many people were completely isolated in trying to make sense of this madness and thought it was just them affected, particularly those who were children.
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find As someone who has wondered several times what happened to this little boy, and now reading the other stories of children on the apollo or whatever boat it was, I'm even more sickened. I hope this child was able to grow up and lead a happy, healthy life. He would be about my age, and I hope he's here on earth somewhere instead of just a memory. Finding out how he is, finding out if he is, would be Good Thing, but only to sate my own curiosity. It all still leads me to this conclusion: Miscavige is bad, but he's just an overaged schoolyard bully. Hubbard, OTOH, was a fucking sadist.
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find This man approached me at Sea Arrgh I in Clearwater. He was Scottish, but got involved with Scientology in Washington D.C. He and his wife (who he said was also Scottish) were both on the Apollo with Hubbard. I laughed that he was Scottish and on a ship that had been named the Royal Scot Man, but he wasn't laughing. I am pretty sure he was sent to handle us, but he didn't do a very good job. He kept saying he was not a Scientologist, then spoke glowingly of Hubbard, and then spoke about how he fell out with Hubbard when he had to get himself and his wife off of the Apollo. He said the Apollo was a bad place and his wife was a lady and did not deserve to be around what was going on there. When I reminded him that Hubbard called the shots on the Apollo and was in complete control of everything so all the bad things that happened must have been Hubbard's fault, he agreed that Hubbard did make the rules, but still refused to blame Hubbard for how bad it was. I asked him for specifics about what had happened, but he refused to give any details. Only repeated that his wife was a lady and did not deserve to be around that sort of thing. I asked about the other people and whether they deserved to be caught up in that sort of thing and he dismissed them...basically saying that he didn't care about them, but only cared about his wife. I wonder if he and/or his wife may have suffered something along the lines of being thrown into the chain locker or being overboarded. I wonder if Hana Whitfield or any other ex-Sci from the Apollo might remember this man and his wife since they were both Scottish? The old guy has always intrigued me. I never saw him again. He was so soft spoken and not a very good liar at all. I threw some pretty tough questions at him and since he didn't have a lie ready and the truth would not work, he'd just stare off into the sky and not say anything. I like to think that he's really out for good now.
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find Is there a big list of hubbard quotes about children anywhere?
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find David Miscavige is merely a product of Hubbard's brutally abusive policies, the man can hardly write and has been poorly educated like most long term Scientologists. He's a greedy, self-serving, totalitarian, abusive little prick like Hubbard in his own way, a fine of example of Hubbard's "Tech" in action and what it can produce. Ecclesiastical leader? (lol) He's a scamming, lying, abusive criminal who belongs in jail.
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find A child locked in a chain locker at 4 1/2 in '68, is approx. 46,the same age as myself now (if, indeed, he is still with us.) IMO, casual investigation is in order. Is he alive or dead?...that would be a matter of public record.
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find I was in the Sea Org at Saint Hill and saw how children were treated. I also know a lady who worked there at the same time as a nanny, loking after children while their parents worked. It was a very chaotic job, and the Nannies were not trained to do this, if I remember rightly. I will never forget how the children (about 3 or 4 yrs old) of one family would go and get their own breakfast in the morning by themselves and then sit and eat it alone too, as they were so too young to be doing this. They seemed so 'grown up' and very serious. A bit like the kids from that film "The village of the damned" We were told not to put up with any nonsense or 'misemtion' from a child as they were grown ups in childs bodies. I worked with one 11 - 12 year old who was jobbing in one dept. before I came in after my EPF, then we worked together. I dont want to say what or where exactly but I have very good memories of the child abuse I saw, even if it was just pure neglect most of the time. The children at Saint Hill went to an outside school at that time and were often bullied, being called "Scinos" by the other children. They hated that of course Some of the staff in very responsible postition were actually also very young, and I often wondered about that too, but sometimes they had already done OT3, so it sort of excused things. The medical officer at that time for example was Silvia Collins, she was only 17 and responsible for all the Vitamins and supervising the progress of people of the purif, rundown, which was very new back then (1980). I would like to know what happened to her, to be honest, but her whole family were in and she grew up in the cult . So many sad memories of abuse I have.
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find Witnesses describe child lockups by Scientologists http://members.chello.nl/mgormez/childabuse/lock-ups.html
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find Small correction xseaorguk Her name was spelled Sylvia (with a y not i)
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find Mark Pope was the little boy who chewed the telex:
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find For the record, I've seen Derek's last name spelled "Green" and "Greene". I'm not sure which one is correct. Another story:
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find Look at this video. Mute it if you don't like anything religious. Start paying close attention at 2:47 and then LOOK closely starting at 2:55 at the kid who must have been a redhead. THAT kid haunts me. What the hell did they do to those kids on those ships and all under Hubbard's orders? [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqWRPOD-amU"]YouTube- All Faiths Unite against Scientology (Timeless Version)[/ame] Read it again: I was twelve years old and witnessed children younger than myself being thrown into the chain locker ( a room for storing the anchor while at sea) for days on end until they persuaded the ethics officer that they were not enemies. Physical abuse of children was rife. Cold water hose-downs on the deck at six in the morning was a common practice. Working twelve hour days for little or no money. Sleeping in over crowded dormitories with strange adults led to sexual abuse. And all this in the good name of Scientology. If any of you sick fucks who are in the business today can explain why this happened to me, especially while "God" himself was on board, I'll be happy to know. Until then I'll continue to smear the name of Scientology, and all that goes with it, with the shit and contempt it deserves. If anyone would like more info. on the life and abuse that went on on the evil ship as it sailed around the Mediterranean, I'll be happy to enlighten you. Steve Manning
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find I agree. Every time I see that scene on the ship, my heart breaks for these kids.
Re: Boy in chain locker, son of Felice Green, help find Good Post. The more people who really understand this fact, the better.
CHAIN LOCKER BOY I cant get this kid out of my head. 4 years old, five days in a chain locker. Does anyone possibly know what happened to DERECK GREEN (GREENE?) ??? This kid needs resolution. He must be 50 or so by now.
Re: CHAIN LOCKER BOY This has been discussed before. If I am not mistaken, we ran into a brick wall as far as his where abouts today. Many people have asked about him. Tragic story. And his name can have been changed several times
Re: CHAIN LOCKER BOY Sorry, i thought it may have been brought up before. I hope one day he reads this and decides to come forward. Anyone who reads this kids story and still believes in Hubbard is so hung up on their survival for eternal knowingness to know that nothing compensates for doing this to a child. You deserve to be ripped to shreds. End of rant.
Re: CHAIN LOCKER BOY Yeah, Hana Eltringham Whitfield would be where I'd start, but I wouldn't expect to find him. Still, it doesn't hurt to try (again). Sometimes shaking a tree once won't make any fruit drop, but shaking it again will. {shrug}
Re: CHAIN LOCKER BOY there may have been more than one person assigned there, but: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/26-t...n-felice-green-help-find-64622/2/#post1210233 (btw, when did Google start requiring a login to *read* usenet groups? Is usenet officially dead now? (even more officially dead than its been officially dead before)
Re: CHAIN LOCKER BOY Awesome. ARS posts before April 2009 are "archived" and "currently unavailable". inafter
Re: CHAIN LOCKER BOY ARS has always been a little flaky in google groups. I went in through groups.google.com , searched for my user name and found a post from 1997. Best Regards Jens
Another lockup story (in the hold, not chain-locker): Scientology insider's nightmare childhood March 12, 2010, Sarah Collerton, ABC News (Australia)
Adult or child, if you are locked in a confined space for extended peiods of time, that alone should be considered abuse, the fact that some of those areas (confirmed by dozens of eyewitnesses) were actually dangerous, should be seriously considered as egregious.
https://whyweprotest.net/members/exot8michael.1885 michael hasn’t been on here in sometimes but try sending him a message via his account here. He may still have email notification turned on,
Sadly, Michael died https://exscn2.net/threads/michael-pattinson-artist-and-lovely-soul-rip.464/ Also https://exscn2.net/threads/looking-for-people-who-knew-my-mother-felice.2189/post-66757 Also sent dof0425 a PM
