Bringing in christians We need to gain christian groups to join us. They're likely to protest if we can mobolize them quickly. Here is some prepared copypasta: If you are a skilled writer then change my message around correct any spelling errors and what not and add sources. Anyways post messages like this in ANY christian forum you can find. They'll be a valuble asset. Make your own copy pasta to christians and place it here. Make sure they know whats really going on with this cult.
This is a pastor pack. It will provide you more specific info for Christian pastors. Try to get this to christian leaders. http://rapidshare.com/files/87695824/pa ... k.zip.html
Best thing you can do to dissasociate yourself from any of Anon's less than meritorious actions is to simply not mention them at all. Approach Christian groups as what you are, a concened citizen worried about the well being of others. Even better if you are or can present yourself as a Cristian (I don't recommend anti-Christian nuts try and do this stuff. You'll wind up looking about as Christian as the Scieno plants who "don't know anything about Scientology" but talk about Ops and SPs sound like mainstream people. Summary: Get whatever Christian Anons you can find to do this kind of thing.
Hello fellow Christians! I come to you in dire times. I am deeply concerned about the past, present and future actions of the Church of Scientology. If you do not know what the Church of Scientology is, I will try to explain it to you exactly how it is. Scientology is a criminal organization hiding behind the mask of religion. By no means am I attacking their religion. I, as do many of you, believe that only in the right time of a person’s life can they know the truth about their heavenly and loving Father and how he sent his one and only Son down to Earth to die for our sins and it is no ones job to force that upon them. The Church of Scientology, however, does not respect the rights of individuals. It recruits people and strips them of their individuality by forcing the poorer members to live in cramped and squalid living conditions, packed together in conditions that have not otherwise existed in this great nation for a hundred years. All members must buy their way into the church. They force poor and middle class members to work long hours for the church and force them to pay most of their money to said church for books and lessons. These books and DVDs are not cheap. Sometimes a set of said books costs over five hundred dollars! The Church of Scientology has convinced members to take out mortgages on their homes to make more money for the church. These people often lose their homes when they run out of money because they were force to give it all to the Church. In fact, the total program costs over $350,000! Imagine if your church tried to make you pay that much just to learn about God! All of this money goes directly to the heads of the Church. I will not tip toe around the subject any longer, I need to tell you outright that this church is dangerous. It abuses the inherent right to freedom of religion guaranteed to us by the Constituion in order to make money. We need to get the message out that this group seeks to destroy religions like Christianity (this is not an exaggeration). The creator of this religion, the late Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, was a popular science fiction writer. He was quoted saying, “You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.” The following quote is quite lengthy but it has a grave importance to this campaign. “For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR.” – L Ron Hubbard. Not only does Scientology steal money from their members, they have stolen countless unborne children's lives. Scientology's personal navy called Sea Org has, in the past, ordered mothers to abort their children. Monika Price is one of the many mothers forced to abort their babies while in Sea Org, here is a quote from her husband's Affidavit, "In late 1991, my wife Monika became pregnant and although we were elated, she was ordered to abort the child. The reason for the abortion order is that Sea Org members were not allowed to have children. The order devastated both my wife and me. Our dedication as Sea Org members clashed violently with our intentions as parents and we went through a personal nightmare with me opposing it, to no avail. She got the abortion and afterwards she was not the same." Source http://www.whyaretheydead.net/krasel/aff_jp980727.html Scientology has killed numerous individuals. They drive members like Noah Antrim Lottick, who jumped off a NYC hotel clutching $171, the only money Scientology hadn’t stolen from him, to insanity by brainwashing and stealing all their money. Their original cult leader L Ron Hubbard was a mad man who often compared Scientology to black magic. To this day, Scientology is tax exempt in the United States allowing them to steal even more money from their followers. “Michael Sklar, a California accountant and Orthodox father of six, will appear in a United States tax court in Los Angeles in October as he pursues a long legal struggle to claim the cost of his children's religious education as a tax deduction. Sklar notes that the IRS allows followers of the Church of Scientology to write off the cost of religious instruction, which many say violates the First Amendment establishment clause banning government support of a religion.” While it is ultimately up to God to judge, it is still our job to inform people of the great injustices that Scientology has caused throughout the years. It is a den of vipers and we must make sure everyone knows the truth. In response to this threat, many people of all religious denominations and from all walks of life are uniting to protest the actions of the organization that is Scientology on February 10th. Please remember this is not an attack on the religion, but instead a way to inform the masses that the corrupt leaders of Scientology are in fact thieves and criminals. These people need help. If you would like to learn more about this cult go to http://www.whyaretheydead.net and learn how much damage and death this cult has brought onto the lives of its members and their families. If you would like to join in a world wide protest against this group go to http://www.enturbulation.org or http://harbl.wetfish.net/cosplay/ Also take the time to view http://www.theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com These people need our help and God’s help NOW.
I retooled it a bit more. Removed any reference to Anon (It's unnecessary and unhelpful) and embellished some of the religious aspects. If anyone can figure out a good Bible quote to thow in somewhere, that's probably help. Hello fellow Christians! I come to you in dire times. I am deeply concerned about the past, present and future actions of the Church of Scientology. You may or may not have heard about the recent frequenting of Scientology in the news, but it has inspired myself and many more people like you and me to take a look. The truth is much worse than I expected If you do not know what the Church of Scientology is, I will try to explain to you exactly what it is. The Church of Scientology is actually a criminal organization that hides behind the mask of religion. By no means am I attacking the religion, itself. I, as do many of you, believe that only in the right time of a person’s life can they know the truth about their heavenly and loving Father and how he sent his one and only Son down to Earth to die for our sins and it is not our place to force them onto that path before they are ready. The Church of Scientology, however, does not respect the rights of individuals. It recruits people and strips them of their individuality by forcing the poorer members to live in cramped and squalid living conditions, packed together in conditions that have not otherwise existed in this great nation for a hundred years. All members must buy their way into the church. They force poor and middle class members to work long hours for the church and then they have to pay most of their money to said church for books and lessons. These books and DVDs are not cheap. Sometimes a set of said books costs over five hundred dollars! The Church of Scientology has convinced members to take out mortgages on their homes to make. These people often lose their homes when they run out of money from giving it to the Church. In fact, the total program costs over $350,000! Imagine if your Church tried to make you pay that much just to learn about God! All of this money goes directly to the heads of the Church. I will not tip toe around the subject any longer, I need to tell you outright that this church is dangerous. It abuses the inherent right to freedom of religion guaranteed to us by the Constituion in order to make money. We need to get the message out that this group seeks to destroy religions like Christianity (this is not an exaggeration). The creator of this religion, the late Lafayette Ronald Hubbard, was a popular science fiction writer. He was quoted saying, “You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion.” The following quote is quite lengthy but it has a grave importance to this campaign. “For those of you whose Christian toes I may have stepped on, let me take the opportunity to disabuse you of some lovely myths. For instance, the historic Jesus was not nearly the sainted figure has been made out to be. In addition to being a lover of young boys and men, he was given to uncontrollable bursts of temper and hatred that belied the general message of love, understanding and other typical Marcab PR.” – L Ron Hubbard. Scientology has killed numerous individuals. They drive members like Noah Antrim Lottick, who jumped off a NYC hotel clutching $171, the only money Scientology hadn’t stolen from him, to insanity by brainwashing and stealing all their money. Their original cult leader L Ron Hubbard was a mad man who often compared Scientology to black magic. To this day, Scientology is tax exempt in the United States allowing them to steal even more money from their followers. In response to this threat, many people of all religious denominations and from all walks of life are uniting to protest the actions of the organization that is Scientology on February 10th. Please remember this is not an attack on the religion, but instead a way to inform the masses that the corrupt leaders of Scientology are in fact thieves and criminals. If you would like to learn more about this cult go to http://www.whyaretheydead.net and learn how much damage and death this cult has brought onto the lives of its members and their families. If you would like to join in a world wide protest against this group go to http://www.enturbulation.org or http://harbl.wetfish.net/cosplay/ Also take the time to view http://www.theunfunnytruth.ytmnd.com PLEASE do not let the actions of this so-called “Church” (Most of the world does not recognize it as a religion and Germany is considering outlawing the organization as a dangerous totalitarian regime. In fact, the “Church” only received tax-exempt status in the US by black-mailing and spying on the IRS) ruin our right to freedom of religion. When people abuse and twist these rights, it usually ends with harsher restrictions on everyone else. Don’t let them damage our right to Jesus. The people who have been tricked by this organization need our help and God’s help NOW.
Maybe work in a reference to the "den of vipers" bit in the Gospels, where Jesus gets pissed off and chucks the merchants and moneylenders out of the temple.
Okay, you made some good improvements, but you should take a look at it a bit more. The second paragraph is a bit dubious - we don't have much to go on about forcing its members into squalor outside the Sea Org which is almost another can of worms. Try to add more links that show support for some of the things you mentioned THAT DON'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ANONYMOUS. Lermanet.com is a great resource and isn't overly conspiracy theory-esque. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... cientology is a great video introduction to what's going on. The Time magazine article is also a great resource as it is a well-respected news-source. Also, this article is another fantastic way to work other religions into the debate: http://www.scientology-lies.com/press/j ... court.html It's about how Scientology education has tax-exempt status while parochial and jewish educational institutions do not. Please put a bit more effort until you unleash this upon other boards.
Good suggestions. Especially the bit about the schools. Nothing like a little unfair treatment to get the religious on the move. I'll work on it when I get some time later unless (or even if) someone else gets to it first.
This article was just posted in the SA thread: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/200 ... /8.93.html Seems like a source they would find reputable.
"[Hubbard] also wrote that the crucifixion was a legend that had been implanted in our psyches so that we were easily controlled by alien overlords." Coming from Christianity Today, that right there is going to be a golden bullet.
Has there been any talk of contacting the US bishops or cardinals? One of the benefits of having such an organized grouping one billion strong is that it's reasonably easy to confront things that such obvious threats to people. It might also be worthwhile to contact bigger protestant lunatic groups (American Family Council, etc.) since they get offended at nearly anything and seem to be able to bitch the FCC into submission on their own.
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2 Timothy 4:3-4 (KJV) Crawling Romans and Exodus for other relevant scripture.
In the following, you will see and hear hubbard's own words about Catholocism and Christianity and how all religions are galactic implants from whole track psychs. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iy0HMrRcYs http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?do ... 1066150939 http://www.xenu.net/archive/multimedia.html Hubbards own voice in the above Hubbard's HCOB about "Heaven"
Considering this is going to religious groups, I might pull the link to cosplay for two reasons. 1) First thing I notice on the page is the big flashing "HEY YOU DUMB MOTHERF------, READ THIS!" (we're going family-friendly on the board here, aren't we?) 2) Next thing I notice at the bottom is "Are you a total fag? Join #wetfish." Might not exactly engender good will if that's the first thing Pastor Bob sees on going to get more information.
Some pictures you can print to distribute while making your case to Christians. Be sure to never refer to Scientology as a religion; modern Christians are taught to tolerate other religions. Instead, refer to it as a cult. Cult sounds much more sinister.
as a suggestion, once this letter is finished it might be worth deleting this thread. If we're going to put in a link to this site, some of the church leaders may come here, read the thread and feel a little duped.
At least archive it in an admin-only area. (I try never to delete things unless you seriously don't want anyone ever to see it and there's a chance that they might. Incidentally, you might not want to put all the propaganda in one post. Instead, bring along a few Anons when you go to the forum and have them repsond with other stuff they've "heard" this week. Remember, don't lie about being with Anon, but don't mention it either. That means Usernames that sound innoccuous. No looooooooooongcats or Hate machines, guys.
Here are a few links from my bookmarks that might appeal to the Christian audience, especially for the purpose of securing their alliance in this matter. Comparing Christianity and Scientology http://www.tingleff.org/jensting/muslin ... _xtian.htm "The way to make a million dollars is to start a religion." http://www.bible.ca/scientology-1millio ... ligion.htm Stripping the Gurus: Scientology http://www.strippingthegurus.com/stgsam ... tology.asp This one is only for the especially academic & scholarly theologians: http://web.uni-marburg.de/religionswiss ... /beit.html
More relevant Bible passages: "Turn away from godless chatter and the opposing ideas of what is falsely called knowledge, which some have professed and in so doing have wandered from the faith." 1 Timothy 6:20-21 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them." Matthew 7:15
Respectfully, I disagree. Keeping everything open shows that we have nothing to hide. This is good PR for us. Besides, I bet there are plenty of Christians here already. And they're probably used to people having preconceptions about them.
So, for posterity: Those of the christian faith, we're not patronizing you. Just trying our hardest to get your attention to this worthy cause. Thank you for your support!
A couple of points. First, no offence, but "Hello, fellow Christians" sounds really...artificial would be the best way of putting it. "Greetings, brothers and sisters in Christ" or even just "Greetings in Christ" would sound a little more authentic IMO. also, the "lover of young boys" quote from Hubbard is of questionable veracity and I would therefore recommend against using it. here[/url:1ne8ygfb] is a discussion of it. there's plenty of verifiably true materials and quotes that demonstrate the problems of Scientology, using one that they could make a fairly decent argument against being genuine just casts doubt on the rest of what we put out.
I firmly agree with lmnop. There's nothing in this thread that is offensive - you're just talking about how best to communicate to the Christian "audience". The only suggestion I have a problem with is "Instead, bring along a few Anons when you go to the forum and have them repsond with other stuff they've "heard" this week." -- this is duplicitous. Better just respectfully ask permission to advise people about the protest movement and say what you want people to know. --I write as a Former State Director of a Conservative Evangelical Bible College--
The "pastor pack" was one giant heap of tl;dr. I'm trying to work on a better one. Focus is on stuff I can print and hopefully get someone to read. Have to redact of the crazier stuff just to make sure eyes don't glaze over; I can't tell if it affects the message, but I don't think any non-$ci possibly could. Got: Forum summary of Lisa's death with pic and links Why am I wearing this mask PDF THE BELIEFS AND TEACHINGS OF SCIENTOLOGY from xenu.net Articles from NY Sun and Times above L Ron denouncing christ above Couple of the first hand accounts on this forum WANT: More stuff on disconnection (short, official sources if possible) Any official pricing scheme for auditing Goal is to put this in folders and mail it off to area churches before 3/15. Hopefully get pastors to read and know we're not nuts. Best case scenario, get invited to speak to a rotary club and get some middle aged ladies writing letters. Will put up result when it's pretty.
Just a quick note: Do not assume that "Christians" are interchangeable. A message that would appeal to a neocon "nondenominational" might leave a United Methodist ready to beat you to a pulp. The Southern Baptists aren't necessarily going to have the same priorities in opposing evil as the Catholics. Common themes: 1. The stuff about Jesus being a pedophile will offend nearly all Christians, but it is so ludicrously offensive that people may laugh it off. It sounds like tinfoil hat material to most people. I mean, he can't REALLY have said that, right? More generally, as the person telling someone about it, YOU are the one getting the emotional negative response. 2. Tax break stuff is a great one for both the Christians who are pro-separation of church and state, and the ones who just want THEIR church to get special benefits, not anyone else's. 3. While focusing on the crazy beliefs might persuade people, it is Bad Tactics -- especially since many Christians are used to being called names. (I have friends whose comments about my religion are comparable in spirit to the stuff I see people say about Xenu. It annoys me a lot.) 4. Focus on freedom to come and go. To nearly any Christian group, disconnection will be an absolutely stunning example of a horrific abuse. 5. With anyone but Christian Scientists, you can probably talk a fair amount about medical care and psychiatry. Very few Christians are opposed to medical care in general. 6. With Evangelicals, avoid talking about conflicts between the Xenu story and accepted scientific notions of history. If you start on a discussion of Creationism, you have already lost, because you are no longer talking about getting help stopping the CoS's abuses. 7. With "liberal" Christians, focus on the human rights issues. 8. With people who have government conspiracy theory habits, talk to them about Snow White. 9. With Mormons, be VERY careful what comments you make about "cults" -- and about "secret teachings", as there is some stuff Mormons teach that are sort of secretive, and they have in the past practiced some "cult" stuff. Not generally as extreme or dangerous to outsiders, but it can be a sore point for them. 10. With anyone but Dominionists, talk a lot about the CoS's history of retribution and retaliation. (Dominionists preach the same thing; it won't offend them, although it might make them jealous.) In general, in America, I'd avoid talking too much about the CoS's anti-gay stuff unless you know the person you're talking to is generally okay with gays. There are millions of Christians who will agree with claims like "homosexuality is a disorder", but who might nonetheless disapprove of how the CoS deals with that belief. This is a lot of work. If you are not intimately familiar with the broad diversity of Christian beliefs and experiences, stay away from the controversial stuff, and focus on the tax breaks, the disconnections, the fair game policy, and the charging-for-services model.
This link[/url:1poeztf1] has a lot of suggestions too. Some good, some bad (whether mine is good or bad I'll leave it to you to decide). BTW the information about Christian communities and how to talk to them is spread over umpteen different threads! And in most of them people go over the exact same information, people give the exact same advice too. I don't know what to do about it, but it's a little annoying.
Re: Bringing in christians Anonymous is a bit scatterbrained. Good advice. I think I'll tweak your cover letter a bit, but good stuff, good stuff. I'm wondering tho; could mentioning the tax break stuff be a potential problem? I mean, a lot of people would love to get tax breaks for parochial schools. (I've been to more then one parochial school; usually they're public schools with some prayers and theology tacked on.) This could lead to the situation where they'd support $cilons just to keep the precedent of their tax break. I'm focusing more on the human rights abuses. The forced abortions is good stuff. Staying away from the crazy theology, but bible quotes are always good.
Re: Bringing in christians Noez? :shock: By all means feel free! They were suggestions, you should adopt them to fit your audience. They would love getting tax breaks, wouldn't anyone? So you need to make it clear that other religions have sued to get the same rights, and have been rejected, that the IRS are giving Scientology special rights. That will tick them off something awful, and even if they want the same rights they won't support scientology, but they'll start badgering the IRS instead. Once the IRS and the courts start turning them down... well... I didn't mention nearly as much of the theology that I wanted to, since we were warned that we shouldn't make it a Scientology issue to a Church of Scientology issue. That and ... well... an honest recount of Scientology doctrine would make me sound like a rambling lunatic, so yeah staying away from that is a GOOD thing!
Re: Bringing in christians I'm not so sure that bible quotations are always a good thing. For many Christians, the Bible is really important so if you inadvertently misuse quotations out of context you may either tread on toes or just look inept. My advice would be to be true to who you are. Quote Scripture if you believe it. If not, stick with communicating your concerns.
Re: Bringing in christians I used bible quotes, and I'm pretty sure I used them all in proper context. For reasons I'd rather not go into here I'm fairly steady on mainstream Protestant belief and somewhat knowledgeable about Catholicism. So yeah I was sincere when I used those quotes, and so far no one has seen anything wrong with them. Seriously though any serious protestants or catholics are invited to go over those letter and see if they're appropriate.
Re: Bringing in christians http://www.mediafire.com/?2ylx9mztu1m Pack is here. I went with the "Greeting from Anon" letter since I realized I haven't been to church in a while and if asked I couldn't back up my religious credentials. Plus it mentioned some things I want (tax exemption, letter writing). Got preliminary approval from the IRC crowd so it looks like I'm going with it. This is for churches around protest sites, some background on Anon and why we no likey the CO$
