I decided to post a new thread so this message doesn't get buried. Many times people will see the title of the Ex COS List thread and not bother reading it. Which is understandable, it has been around a long time now. The following is a message I posted on the Big List of Ex COS Members List thread. I am asking for help with the list so it can hit 1700 names and beyond. We are currently 40 names shy of that goal. When it reaches 1700, I hope we can do a new press release. PLEASE DO NOT POST ANY NEW NAMES THAT YOU FIND ITT. POST THEM IN THE OTHER THREAD Bi-lingual Anons please post this message on WWP, blogs, cell pages and anywhere else you can. Poon the list to media, and whoever will listen. The veil of fear is lifting from the media and I think this would make a great article/story now. Especially with what has been going on as of late. Poon Brian Seymore of Today Tonight? Ortega of the Village Voice? Xenophon? the BBC? or whatever. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLPPP!!!!CALLING ALL ANONS! I know there are SO many names missing from the list that could be added.This list simply needs to get out there more. It has grown and we are only 40 names away from reaching 1700. That is quite a milestone!Thanks to all that have helped with information, and also people who post on the wiki. <3 I am asking for help from Germany, Italy, Denmark, UK, Copenhagen, and all other counties to help out in finding any names of ex scis that have spoken out publically (need proof) who would like to be added to the list. Speaking out can be in many forems like an interview, an article, a video, if they attended a protest or talking to an ex who would like to be added to the list.ONLY actual names will be accepted for the list. NO psuedo or knicknames. This keeps the list credible. Along with a name, please list other info like their time in COS, position, staff, Sea Org, and area (org), and a link to that info. Please do not just list a name with a link. Please pull the info from that link and post it along with th e name. This saves a LOT of time.*****PLEASE CHECK THE WIKI TO SEE IF THE NAME IS ALREADY ON THE LIST BEFORE POSTING IT HERE!! I CAN"T STRESS THIS ENOUGH! Don't make me bitch at you! LOL!!!***If ex's request that they want to be added to the list themselves, this is also enough proof of speaking out. If you are bi lingual and can put this message on cell pages and or anywhere else you can think, of please do! Ask others in the language you speak to do the same.Contact the media in any way and get the list out there!We are trying to reach 1700 names! Maybe something like this for cell pages and or blogs:IF YOU ARE AN EX MEMBER OF THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY AND WOULD LIKE TO BE ADDED TO THE EX COS MEMBER LIST, PLEASE GO TO WWP AND POST YOUR INFORMATION HERE:http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/big-list-of-over-1000-exes-who-have-spoken-out.57290/page-29 Please include your time in COS, position, public, staff, Sea Org, and area (org)If ex's want to be added to the list themselves, this is also enough proof of speaking out. They must use your actual name. This keeps the list credible. We are currently pushing towards 1700 names! Please speak out and be heard! Strength is in numbers! This list helps others to have the courage to come forward and it is also a wealth of information for anyone looking to write a book, article, media story or what have you. THE EX COS MEMBER LIST CAN BE FOUND HERE:http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/List_of_ex-Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out#S Will you be the person who will add the 1700th name? GO GO GO!!Thanks to all! Your help is MUCH appreciated!
I don't have an ESMB account, and a message was left by AnonLover a while back for the push to 1500. But if anyone has an ESMB account, can they please cros post? THANKS <<<<<333333
WE ARE CURRENTLY AT 1475 NAMES! 25 MORE TO GO TO HOT 1500!!!! THANKS TO EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN HELPING! <3!!! WHO WILL FIND THE 1500th name? and!!!! Anyone have an ESMB account feel like cross posting the following question over there? Is there anyone out there (or do you know of anyone else) who participated in the 1986 "FAIR" Class action lawsuit against Scientology whose names do not currently appear on the ex COS member list who spoke out? 400 people where in that lawsuit and I would like to know where to aquire those names, so they can be added to the ex COS list. Any help is appreciated!!! Here is the link to the ex COS list. We are currently at 1475 names and we are trying to go over 1500 names. http://wiki.whyweprotest.net/List_of_ex-Scientology_members_who_have_spoken_out
^^Above crossposting already has been done. Now for something completely different... I was able to make a comparison between: a. the list of ex-scientologists who have spoken out, when there were 1474 names on the list b. the enemy names list published by scientology - I used http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?10486-Are-you-on-this-list (It is always nice to notice that COS helps us fight them ) c. the list of names in Kristi Wachter's completions database What did I do? Step 1: I subtracted the list a from the list b. This left me with a list COS enemies that are NOT on the list. See also http://forums.whyweprotest.net/thre...ho-have-spoken-out.57290/page-31#post-1786848 Step 2: I cross-checked the completions database with the list that resulted from step 1. With this step I was able to make a list of 331 people in the completions database that are ALSO on the COS enemy list. In this step I used an exact name search, but there may be sneaky differences. Searching for "Gary Barnes" in the completions list gives "James Gary Barnes". So there is still some cross checking to do. Anyway, with this list of 331 we will be able to search better. For these people we need to find proof that they have spoken out. Then we will be able to put them on the list. In the following posts I will put the lists that I made. To do: - fuzzy version of the comparison in step 2, so I might even be able to deliver MORE names that are both in the completions database and in the enemies list. - anything else I can think of...
The following people on the enemies list are already on our list. They need NOT be searched for: Marcus Allen James Anderson Mike Argue Gerry Armstrong Jon Atack John Ausley Richard Aznaran Vickie Aznaran Steve Backerman Mark A. Baker Eric Ballard Jean-Luc Barbier Julian Bell Bruce Bishop Truman Bolinger Maiken Borre Mohamed Bouderba Kevin Brady Allan Buchanan Tonja Burden Alex Castillo Maude Castillo Ira Chaleff Neville Chamberlain Carol Coburn Bent Corydon Mary Corydon Michael Dearing Gene Decheff Sue Deutscher Jim Dincalci Nancy Dincalci Kima Douglas Virginia Downsborough Malcom Duncan David Dunlop Gary Earle Werner Erhard Dennis Erlich Fleming Evaldsen Paulo Facchinetti George Fearon John Fisher Mark Fisher Sue Fisher Steven Fishman Peter Forde Paul Franklin William (Bill) Franks Franklin Freedman Roxanne Friend Chip Gallo John Galusha Fernando Gamboa Terri Gamboa Silvana Garritano Carol Garrity Ole Gerstrom Emile Gilbert Dylan Gill Peter L Gillham Jr. Doreen Gillham Mike Goldstein Rebecca Goldstein Roger Gonnet Milton Gordon Milton Gordon Janis Grady Paul Grady David Graham Bernard Green Peter Greene Pete Griffiths Eileen Griswold Alistair Guy Blake Haber Dona Haber Marianne Hagen Cindy Hall Bill Hamilton Jeanny Hanson Travers E. Harris George Hay Ralph Hilton Ron Hopkins Jack Horner Frank Huber Martin Hunt Jay Hurwitz Pam Hurwitz Kim Hutton Thomas Jefferson Margaret Jennings Amos Jessup Mark Jones David Jordan Carol Kanda Mike Kelly Pam Kemp Eric Knutson Laure Beth Konneus Laure Beth Konneus Lucia Krahenbuhl Noel A. Land Don Larson Mike Lawley Ron Lawley Debbie Leighton Bryan Levman Kenny Lipton Betty Mace Eddie Mace Marjorie Mace Don C. Maier Mary Maren Cathy Mase David Mayo Julie Mayo Merrill Mayo Yvan Mayor Russ Meadows Dino Michieletto Steve Muro Jan Nash Gloria Neumeyer Malcolm Claude Nothling Harry Palmer Bob Penny Dick (Richard J.) Peterson Janie Peterson Elly Poortenaar Bevan Preece Marvin Price John Rafanello Kathy Raine David Ray Dede Reisdorf Otto Roos Ken Rose Annie Rosenblum Martin Ruston Bill Ryan Todde Salen Glenn Samuels Martin Samuels Jeanette Schweitzer Michael Linn Shannon Avra Smith Penelope Smith Denise Smithers Fred Smithers Gulliver Smithers Valerie Stansfield Joyce Stephenson John Stevens Alan Stewart Maryon Stewart Dean Stokes Leon Swart Darrell Sykes Patti Thompson Chris Tyler Kenneth Urquhart Joe Van Staden Diana Voegeding Cyril Vosper Gordon Walker Jeff Walker Alan Walter Kenny Wasserman Ian Waxler Mick Wenlock Hanna Eltringham Whitfield Jerry Whitfield Charles Wildbank Richard Williams Bernie Wimbush Eileen Wimbush Larry Wollersheim Heather Wray Mike Wray Loy Young Vivien Zegal Jon Zegel
The following people are in the Scientology Completions database AND they are on the COS enemies list. However, they are NOT on our list. If you can find proof that these people have spoken out, please add a post in the thread http://forums.whyweprotest.net/threads/big-list-of-over-1000-exes-who-have-spoken-out.57290/ Name Rodney Adams Barry Adler Kaj Akesson Lena Akesson John Alexander John Allard Pat Allen Robert Almblad Jose Alvarez Joelle Alves Georges Andreu Mike Armstrong Peter Arnold Cass Auerbach Dan Auerbach Bob Babendreier Paul Barbaro Gary Barnes Carl Barney David Bath Steve Beaumont Vincenzo Bellotti Rick Benson Orlando Bentz Gina Bertinato Dj Binda Len Bolton Gwynne Borthwick John Borthwick Rick Boss John Bostrom Jim Bowers John Bradley Richard Brandes Chris Brown Scott Brown Daniel Bruneau Giacomo Bucchi Eileen Buchanan Debbie Burch Gretchen Burke Caryl Burnett Richard Burnett Bill Butler Fausto Callegarini Gianni Canuti Cricket Carlisle Hector Carmona Teri Carter Miguel Catano Alvaro Ceballos Frankie Clark Keli Clark Scott Clifford Jim Collins Luigi Colombo Ron Condron Gordon Cook George Coopman Chris Cordes David Cortez Jesus Cruz Rod Dale Vero Dantes Bernard Dare Rod Davey Alice Davis Chris Davis Ron Davis Stephen Davis Bertrand De Petigny Marie Therese De Petigny Mark Dobson Larry Dunn Jeanne Dyer Marsha Elleston John Elliot John Elliott Nancy Faber Mirit Faier Arif Fareed Mary Jane Farrow Michael Feldman Marc Ferreira Alberto Ferrero Evan Ferris Monica Ferry Steve Ferry David Findlay Marcus Fishman Giovanna Florian Tiziano Fracassetti Phyllis Franklin Andrea Fuhrmann Wayne Furnell Richard Fyke Cecilia Garcia Ricardo Garcia Roberto Garcia Yvon Gelinas Sarge Gerbode Pedro Gil Sandra Gil John Gilgar Emily Goldfield Steve Goldfield Lori Gordon Patrick Gordon Marilyn Grace Dale Grady Craig Graessle Michael Graham Pam Graham Peter Grant Peter Green Doran Greene David Greig Marie Noelle Guillemin Klaus Hahn Tommy Hald Dianna Hansen Noel Hanson Bill Harker Bruce Harrell Mark Harrison Dan Henning Kathy Hermans Agapito Hernandez Judy Hill Val Hill Peter Holleley Dick Hughes Wayne Hutchins Dawn Hutchinson Mike Hutson Peter Imburgia Charles Jackson Richard Jacob Lori James Annika Jamtheden Lars Jamtheden Bernt Jansson Harriet Jarva Rod Jenkins Lamont Johnson Mark Johnson Matthew Johnson Bob Jones Doranne Jory Tom Joyce David Karas David Keat Ursula Keat Don Keeler Dennis Kelly Patricia Kelly Jane Kember David Kemp Don Kimnach Bill Knight Gary Kubica Roland Kuhn Steve Landry Linda Larson Bo Larsson Lila Lear Jeff Lee John Leong Bruce Levinton Doug Lewis Peter Lewis Max Liberson Mickey Lipton Gloria Lista Robin Listino Robert Littler Vicki Livingston Dave Lockey Bill Long Eduardo Lopez Eduardo Lopez Jorge Lopez Frank Lovato Chris Lucas Glen Luckman Leon Lundquist Alex Lynas-Jones John Lynch Bob Magaziner Paolo Maggini Sally Mahoney Kurt Malmberg Massimo Manitta Francesco Mannara Luca Marchi Pat Marks Wayne Marple Beth Marshall Roger Martin Alex Martinez Francisco Martinez Luigi Mazzucchelli Michael Meyer Renato Milani Bob Miller Craig Miller Linda Miller Thierry Mingione David Mogul Willy Mohorn Mark Morgan Graham Morland Eric Morrell John Morrison Ed Murawski Ross Nakamura Nathan Nedvedovich Jack Needham Craig Nelson Jeri Noble Thomas Nordlund Carla North Chris Norton Marina Olsen Jason Orsak Andy Osvath Bill Owen Gino Pacitti Sue Pathman Celia Patrick Steve Perrin Mirko Popovich Joan Prather Clay Primrose Tim Prosen Tom Provenzano Mick Quander Vincenzo Raspante Else Reitz Jon Rich Brenda Richardson Ken Richardson Harry Rickard Ricardo Robotton Peter Rogen Michael Rubin Mike Rubin Janet Russell Manny Salinas Jamie Sams Brian Sattler Valerio Scarrone Norm Schaefer Norbert Schnitzler Dana Scott Wes Sealman Phil Seiflein Mike Shea Jerry Simmons Nola Simmons Don Simons Shawn Skinner Heidi Small Chris Smith Denise Smith Gary Smith Jack Smith Margaret Smith Mike Smith Richard Smith Alex Soroka Randy South Jon Spear Richard T. Spear Michael Steckler Bengt Strom Graham Stuckey Jonas Svensson Ingo Swann Susan Sweetland Renee Swisko Daniel Talbot Bruce Taylor David Taylor Scott Taylor Spanky Taylor Ray Terris Bob Thomas Larry Thomas Mark Thomas Tom Thomas Chris Thompson Lars Timberg Angel Torres Tom Trauberman Jane Truax George Turner Steve Van Hoomisen Enid Vein Joan Velke Debbie Vincent Beat Vogel Christian Vogelbach Notta Vogelback Mark Vokey Brian Waiting John Walker Michael Walker Peter Walker Sylvia Walker Brian Walsh Don Warnock Carlos Warter Hans Wassaether Margaret Watson Steve Watts Bette Welker Kjell Westphal Bob White Kevin Wilkins Dee Williams Mike Williams Peter Williams David Wilson John Wood Jim Wright Bill Young Bob Young Holly Young Claudio Zanella Elvio Zannoni
It's a pretty sure bet these are the people in the 1986 "FAIR" Class action lawsuit against Scientology, since that enemies list dates from the 1990s, and the CoS would definitely have found out who they were.
Its like an easter egg hunt! Is there a prize? Is there a quiz? Is there a firing squad? Is there time to join the cult, quit on the same day and make the list? GoGoGo
the prize is hopefully a new press release It's a big win for all of those who worked so hard on the list and a bigger win for everyone who is on the list
The enemies list is a list of COS-enemies compiled by COS, which can amongst other places, be found here: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?10486-Are-you-on-this-list The list in the post to which you refer is a list of COS-enemies (as defined by COS) who are also on our list of ex-scientology members who have spoken out. So there is no need to go and find proof they spoke out.
Well, I thought that anyone who has ever read or even looked at Dianetics is counted in the 8 million (or 10 or whatever) members of Scientology. So please put me on the list also.... There's plenty of proof on this board where I speak out! EDIT: oh wait, TrevAnon is not my real name.
If anyone feels like doing a job similar to mine please look at http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?p=33258 This is a list of people who had a personal scientologist website, so I guess it is a way to verify if someone was ever in besides the completions database.
OK, here's a starting point for a press release. My comments are in {curlies} and obviously need to be replaced with suitable content prior to publishing. I thought about putting in more "stuff" but I don't think length is necessarily a plus. Get in, get the money, and get out, as Tom McFarland (R.I.P.) used to sing. Besides, if we do include examples (as I think we should), that will add some length already. Now then: THE FOLLOWING IS A ROUGH DRAFT. THIS IS NOT A FINAL RELEASE. DO NOT FORWARD, PUBLISH, OR USE THIS DRAFT please. A final version will emerge after everybody has their chance to fold, spindle and mutilate and the substantial holes are filled in. Thank you. OK, hive, have at it. Done; awaiting moderator approval. FWIW, I fixed the two typos -- "where" and "aquire" -- before posting it.
An option would be to look at the former press release, when the list hit the 1000 spot. http://www.whyweprotest.net/press-r...ch-scientology-members-publicly-speak-church/
In my post above http://forums.whyweprotest.net/thre...-member-list-to-over-1500.89459/#post-1786980 there seem to be people who got declared for serious out-ethics or even illegal behavior. E.g. Marie Therese De Petigny was declared for some financial irregularities: http://www.jlaforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=846408 , see the 2nd post by Tilman Hausherr. While randomly trying people from this list I found more of them like Georges Andreu (too bad I cannot find the link for what reason this one was declared anymore). So it might be an idea to make a list of Ex-scientologists most wanted villains or something... Would that also explain why they do not speak out - the Church has dirt on them?
They probably do they might have files on them. So what if they have files on them they can speak out against the cult if they want to
By the time the gang bang sec checks are done, plenty of "crimes" have been confessed to and documented -- all in the name of KSW, of course. Gotta keep those squirrelly PTS types in line somehow, y'know. Nothing in a "declare" should be taken at face value. That said, it shouldn't be ruled out a priori, either.
Got a suggestion on the ESMB-thread I made: http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthread.php?23635-REQUEST-list-op-people-associated-with-FAIR-class-action-lawsuit-back-in-86&p=586541&viewfull=1#post586541
The link in this post goes to a page where I have to log in (I don't have an account). Below is a link that does the trick. http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=35879
By now I did some more cross checks. (LibreOffice Calc is quite a fine tool for these analyses. ) On Pierre Ethier's site there is a list of all people he ever audited (I guess that is while IN COS as well as OUT OF COS). Ethier's list can be found: http://www.upperbridge.org/ It consists of 3613 names. Here are the results of my analysis: 1. 829 people on Ethier's list are not in the Completions (exact name check). So either Ethier audited after Kristi stopped updating the completions database (?), or they came directly to him (were never in COS). That leaves us with 2784 names. 2. 29 of those 2784 already spoke out (again: exact name check - however against the list while there were 1474 exes - cut me some slack). They are: Robin Adair, Peter Alexander, Jean-Luc Barbier, Debra Barnes, Mike Clark, Scott Duncan, Roxanne Friend, Dave Gibbons, Cindy Hall, Lisa Halverson, Wally Hanks, Debbie Jones, Mark Jones, Gary Lerner, Trey Lotz, Claudio Lugli, Renata Lugli, Conny Lundberg, Gloria Neumeyer, Ruth Nighswonger, Silvio Perotti, Maria Pia Gardini, Michel Puzzolante, Joe Reaiche, Peter Smith, David Thomas, Stefan Tunedal, George White, Brenda Yates Leaves us with 2755 names. 3. 32 of those are on the COS enemies list (again: exact name check). They are: Lena Akesson, Paul Barbaro, Giacomo Bucchi, Fausto Callegarini, Gianni Canuti, Jim Collins, Ron Condron, Chris Davis, David Findlay, Cecilia Garcia, Sandra Gil, Emily Goldfield, Steve Goldfield, Mark Johnson, David Keat, Roland Kuhn, Francisco Martinez, Renato Milani, Thomas Nordlund, Bill Owen, Clay Primrose, Harry Rickard, Ricardo Robotton, Michael Rubin, Bengt Strom, Renee Swisko, Bruce Taylor, Bob Thomas, Peter Walker, Kjell Westphal, Peter Williams, David Wilson This might be an interesting list to go hunt for proof whether they spoke out or not. 4. This leaves us with 2723 names who: - were audited by Ethier - are in the Completions - are NOT on the list of exes who spoke out - are NOT on the COS enemies list If someone wants this list, please tell so. I can make it available in CSV, ODS, XLS - whatever you want. Edit: exact name searches have one important disadvantage: when comparing two lists of names you can not tell if "john doe" on the first list is actually the same person as "john doe" on the second list. However, I think in COS's ever shrinking world most of the names are good enough to make an exact name search a good guess.
