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Can you help solve this odd Scientology financial mystery?

Discussion in 'Media' started by The Wrong Guy, Feb 26, 2015.

  1. The Wrong Guy Member

    Today, Tony Ortega published an unusual post that's related to the Garcia case.

    Can you help solve this odd Scientology financial mystery? | The Underground Bunker

    We’re calling on the super-sleuths who frequent the Underground Bunker to help us out in an intriguing little mystery.

    It involves a large payment to one of Scientology’s key entities, and in a manner that seems to defy explanation.

    Here’s the background. About a year and a half ago, a man named Jonathan Ramsay inquired with the Church of Scientology about the accounts left behind by his father, Peter Ramsay, a Toronto Scientologist who died three years ago.

    Peter had left about $17,000 on account for services — something that’s very common. Scientologists are encouraged to pay for their future courses well in advance of actually taking them, so that when they do arrive at a facility to perform a certain set of processes, the bill has already been paid.

    But in Peter’s case, he would no longer be taking courses. And his son, who was not a Scientologist, wanted to know how he could get the $17,000 credit returned that his father would no longer have a use for.

    At that point, he was told to go fish. Scientologists have a hard enough time getting refunds or repayments, but a non-Scientologist? Fat chance.

    Then, in October, Scientology’s “International Justice Chief,” Mike Ellis, suddenly had a change of heart. He wrote a letter to Jonathan, offering to have him go through Scientology’s internal “arbitration” in order to get his father’s money back.

    This became an issue recently in the federal fraud lawsuit brought against Scientology by Luis and Rocio Garcia. They’re suing over the way they say they were lied to in order to donate several hundred thousand dollars. Scientology wants them to accept its arbitration scheme, too, but they would rather hash things out in court. Besides, they say, there is no arbitration in Scientology, it’s just a sham policy that doesn’t really exist. So in October, Judge James D. Whittemore asked Scientology provide evidence that it does, in fact, conduct arbitrations.

    Six days later, Ellis sent his letter to Jonathan Ramsay, asking if he wanted to try it out.

    At a court hearing last week, this was held up as evidence that Scientology was trying to create evidence of its arbitration scheme after the fact, and it made the church look pretty bad.

    But now, we’ve heard from Peter Ramsay’s brother, Robert Ramsay, who says that he and his nephew have been heartened by the coverage of the Garcia case by the Underground Bunker. And he wanted to know if we could help him with a bit of a mystery.

    Robert and his nephew Jonathan have been going through Peter Ramsay’s documents, learning as much as they can about the money he gave Scientology. And they ran across a very odd receipt that we want to show you.

    It indicates that in June 1989, Peter Ramsay agreed to give a payment of $5,300 to the Advanced Organization of Los Angeles (AOLA), a place where high-level Scientology processing occurs at the “Big Blue” complex in LA. (In today’s terms, that’s about $10,200.)

    The payment was for the balance after Peter had paid $400 up front for “New OT V Audited NOTs” — one of the “Operating Thetan” levels — and for the first 12.5-hour “intensive,” or set of processing hours. As Bruce Hines explained to us when we learned about New OT V in our series, “Up the Bridge,” it can take several “intensives” to get this level done, which is about “waking up” the unseen alien entities stuck to you, known as “body thetans,” and driving them off.

    Yes, in other words, Peter Ramsay was paying about $450 an hour to drive away invisible space cooties in a Scientology exorcism.

    But that’s just standard Scientology, and nothing unusual.

    What struck Robert Ramsay as he was going through his brother’s receipts was a puzzling wire transfer receipt stapled to the rest of the paperwork on his brother’s OT V transaction.

    The receipts show that on June 14, 1989, Peter Ramsay paid AOLA $5,300 with the use of three separate credit card payments.

    But there’s another receipt showing that on the following day, the same amount, $5,300, was drawn on something called the Irving Trust Company, with payment to a “P and N Jewellers,” and Peter Ramsay is listed as the remitter.

    Robert tells us his brother did not own or work for a “P and N Jewellers,” and he doesn’t understand why the wire transfer was made the day after his brother had already paid AOLA with credit cards. He’s wondering what this transaction represents, and so do we.

    We told him that if we posted it to the site, someone might have a good idea, and he agreed that we should do it.

    We also called up Mat Pesch, who had worked in finance at Flag, in Clearwater, Florida. He said the transaction sounded completely unfamiliar to him.

    Can one of our readers help us out?

    Here are the receipts:

    Continued here:
    http://tonyortega.org/2015/02/26/can-you-help-solve-this-odd-scientology-financial-mystery/
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  2. RolandRB Member

    My guess is he is paying his second intensive to AOLA (another $5300) in cash from a dubious source (like his own private business or dodgy money he has earned somehow), but because of its dubious source, has been asked to not pay it directly to AOLA, where the source of it could be traced, but asked to launder the dodgy money to a different account so it does not show up on AOLA income figures. AOLA is taking the payment for the second intensive as jewellery (maybe DM likes sparkly things). The guy goes into a branch of the Irving Trust Company (a wholesale bank), hands over the $5300 in dodgy cash and asks that it be paid to P and N Jewellers. Presumably, by prior arrangement, when it gets to P and N Jewellers, a Sea Org member goes round to a branch of P and N Jewellers and picks up the jewellery (or cash minus a cut).
  3. RightOn Member

    Purchased OT jewelry?
  4. TorontosRoot Member

    I call that coerced fraud/money laundering. Scientology can get into deep shit if they keep doing this.
  5. Tony has this update -

    UPDATE: As we expected, our smart commenters figured things out pretty quickly. And here to put it into some context, is former Scientology executive Haydn James…
    Back in 1989 AOLA had a weird practice going on (some might call it illegal). If a public couldn’t make the agreed payment or make all of it by Thursday at 2pm (that magic time) AOLA arranged for another — a 3rd party public — to “loan” the money or shortfall amount so AOLA received it all. The three separate credit card payments indicates this might have been the case. Whoever owned the jewelery store may have loaned the money and the wire transfer was the payment back. I remember, back in 1989 this practice was a huge flap in the church so it’s possible this is an explanation. It is something the church will not want to revisit, by the way, which gives those seeking refunds a little leverage. Out of an average weekly income of a quarter million dollars up to 80 percent was loaned. They called it “rollover.” The flap was huge.
    As our commenters figured out, the owners of the jewelry concern used their credit cards to pay AOLA on behalf of Peter Ramsay on a Wednesday evening, when Scientology registrars are scrambling to get payments in before the Thursday weekly “stats” deadline. Ramsay then repaid the jewelry story owners the next day by having the amount (plus exchange rate fees) wired to their business.
    And we find the whole thing a fascinating look inside the high-pressure world of Scientology “regging”!
  6. BigBeard Member

    The son was never in $cientology, and never signed any $cientology agreement, so that whole "has to use $cientology arbitration" arguement is bogus.

    The son needs to get an estate lawyer to get a court order demanding the money on account be turned over forthwith, as it has tax implications for the estate.

    If $cientology still refuses, a complaint to the IRS and/or state revenue office explaining taxes can't be computed until the money is handed over should be made, along with a demand for an investigation into why the Cof$ is creating the situation that's complicating handling the taxes.

    BigBeard
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  7. RolandRB Member

    I read the explanatino from Tony Ortega's blog which has been posted here and I am sure it is correct. What stopped me from considering it is how they could explain these transactions in their company accounts, assuming they are both controlling directors of P and N Jewellery. Somebody pays in $5300 and then it gets taken out and given to the two directors! Very irregular. But then it is a Scientology-run company.
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