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I'm not sure what you're getting at with all of this. The kid had a seizure causing him to fall and hit his head. It was the head trauma that killed him, not the seizure. This is one of the few parts of this whole mess that isn't odd or unclear.

The FBI was never investigating the Travoltas. They just offered the prosecution help with the gathering and analyzing of evidence for the extortion case.

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You've snoped! snopes.com: Declared Deaths at Disneyland

It's not a big conspiracy. By law in many states, only a physician can declare someone dead, unless there is obvious evidence of death such as decapitation, rigor mortis, etc. So, the EMTs take the still-warm corpse to the hospital where a physician declares a "DOA".

In other states, "once paramedics begin life-saving efforts they cannot discontinue those efforts until the patient has been transported to a medical facility, even if the patient is obviously dead; therefore, what someone might interpret as "flogging a dead body" to delay a determination of death could actually be a legally required procedure" (fortunately, AZ has a defined protocol for when to call it quits).

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Herro... if thats the only thing you are clear on.. you are WRONG...

we know from the autopsy that it was the seizure that killed him.. it had nothing to do with the head trauma...

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I work with EMTs frequently when they come to take the injured skiers away. What the clip doesn't show is the EMT in the back of the ambulance with the patient. A typical crew is 3 EMTs in case they have to evac 2 people, which gives one driver and 1 EMT to care for each patient.

I had the opportunity to watch a small herd of fire department EMTs yesterday. Without appearing to rush, two of them had the victim on O2, an IV started, heart monitor leads applied, blood O2 monitor attached, a C-collar (the neck protector) applied, blood pressure taken, and a quick physical exam for hidden injuries. It took them under 90 seconds, and by the time the ambulance got there, the man was ready for the backboard and transport.

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A "Refusal to Transport" becomes moot if the patient is transported after the refusal form is signed. It's a paper ass protector for the medical personnel at the scene, who have advised transport to a hospital and want to get in writing that the transportation was refused ... just in case lawyers get involved later and claim that transport was not fast enough or something.

We did three of them on MLK weekend, filed all three with the exam forms, although one patient was eventually transported by ambulance. It's a good idea to keep the form, because it has the TIME of refusal, and claims of slow transport can be proven false by showing that as of a certain time, transport was refused.

(I do ski patrol, we get lots of opportunities to call ambulances and helicopters and help EMTs.

EMT: I R WUN, ACTUALY

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The death certificate says seizures.

The autopsy takes more time and I doubt they will want anyone to see it.

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Right Cowboy, Exactly.. AND that contradiction seems to be at the core of what's being covered up. These folks are so determined to deny the existence of Autism, that they pushed the idea of a head injury as primary.

I remember the day after the death, some guy (the dude in jail right now?) was saying that the kid had a seizure and that the injury on his head was practically nothing--barely a bruise. So yes, the Travoltas and the Science freaks probably tried to dissipate the role the seizure played, since that lends further proof of the autism that they have been denying for years.

THAT'S the part that gets me... that they come up with the Kawasaki story and then, do they convince themselves that it's true or what? I mean, to what degree is pathological denial affecting their behavior?

Kawasaki, from what I've heard, does NOT turn a child into a "special-needs" child that Jett obviously was.

They HAD to know that that excuse was not going to fly for much longer. The kid was 16. As he reached adulthood, they would have had to come up with some pretty creative explanations for their kid's demeanor.

I agree with every suspicious thing pointed out on this thread: the crazy flights, the party for 60 people who weren't there, the extortion, all of it.

I just think that denying the existence of autism is SUCH a huge deal to them, that that alone could explain all of it.

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While the official results of an autopsy today have yet to been publicly announced, mortician Glen Campbell of the Restview Memorial Mortuary in the Bahamas confirmed to E! News that cause of death was a seizure and "there was no sign of head trauma."
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http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b77409_autopsy_confirms_jett_travolta_died_of.html

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This is a ploy to throw off further investigation on the death of his son. You know Scientology doesn't mind throwing their parishioners money around to further their evilness. It's just a ploy to feel pity for the Travoltas.

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From what I read, There was no head trauma according to the coroner. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Head trauma was thrown to media. Blood from head trauma was thrown to media. I'm guessing the coroner wasnt looking for anything that wasn't obvious, so we'll prolly never know what killed Jett.

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You're probably right. I thought the most logical thing would be that he had a seizure and hit his head or fell down and drowned in the tub. I thought the head trauma was confirmed but I haven't been following this too close. Guess I should keep my mouth shut before I act like I know what I'm talking about. Still, I agree we may never know because people almost never, never die because of a seizure. They almost always die from something related to the loss of consciousness or loss of control of motor functions caused by a seizure.

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Head trauma was quoted by the police dept

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fixt

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Procedure would be what? Would they question the family (or lawyers) to see what happened at the scene. The parents say we found him on the floor in the bathroom, he must have hit his head and fell.

Or the coroner lied about the condition of the body? I'm thinking head trauma would be visible. At least a bruise/bump on the head which would have been spotted/felt by 2 doctors, I would hope.

I just wish we knew WHY all the conflicting data/misdirection. I wanna know the truths.....

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Epilepsy Fdn.-The Silent Issue: Epilepsy as a Cause of Death

People with epilepsy can just die in their bed. If he had a seizure that night and no one was around...I think there would have been indications on his body. He was a pretty hefty boy. Imagine him flailing around, convulsing, with no one around in the bathroom. No way he wouldn't have substantial marks on his body.

I have never seen a grand mal seizure but I have read descriptions.

It seems to me that he might have just died from SUDEP.

Maybe he was found sooner than was reported. They call the jet in to haul him away to Florida.

Or maybe it was in Florida and they haul him to the Bahamas.

There are so many possibilities with this situation.

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when was that??

imo.. the whole head trauma thing was put out by travolta's sci lawyers in the days following death..

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Yeah for most epileptic people - probably bc they have medically supervised treatment plans - usually meds that are regularly monitored and adjusted.

It was reported by the Travolta lawyers that Jett's seizures (left medically untreated btw) increased in frequency and severity. Maybe it became status epilepticus which does have a 20-22% mortality rate.

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lets say he died in florida... and they transport him to the bahamas...

why would john then call ems.. and sign a refusal to transport because he wants to take jett to florida??

I see 2 options..

1) he was dead and travolta wanted to cover it up by flying jetts corpse to fla. to have him declared dead out there..

or

2) he was still fighting for life.. and travolta's insistence that he bee seen by scientology dr. cost Jett those precious moments where he may have been saved if he was taken directly to hosp.

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He throws a fit, a nanny takes him to Florida to be in comfortable surroundings, he dies, they bring him back.
Maybe they bring him back so no one will shout negligence and there be an investigation. Maybe they took him to Florida to be treated there and he died from treatment.

Maybe they bring him to the Bahamas because they know they can pay people off easier. His attorney was the Attorney General during the Daniel Smith investigation.

So they get him back to the Bahamas and they call the EMS..and the plot just keeps twisting and turning..

There are so many damn possibilities..it is like writing a mystery novel.

It would help if someone could find a public way to see when the flight plan was filed or who the passengers were on the plane.

I don't rule anything out simply because it looks to me like there is a whole lot of covering up going on. I don't even have an opinion as to what took place. Too many unanswered questions.

The latest claim that Travolta's attorney is receiving death threats is right out of a Scientology play book. BUT she also betrayed her party so maybe she is receiving them.

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These were early, I think the day of?

John Travolta dead son Jett had history of seizures - Telegraph

Travolta's Son Dies After Hitting His Head On Tub - AOL Video

I remember reading a police report, Basil something, that said hit head on bathtup, also Marcus Garvey, from the ambulance stated blood and hematoma.

Just more inconsistencies, consistent with a cover up

There was more about this earlier, hmmm

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oh sorry.. had some drinks tonight.. thought you were saying the police were saying head trauma was the cause of death...

the whole.... the cause of death was head trauma i think was put out by travolta's lawyers..

from the scene. it seems head trauma was only secondary issue.. and again later from the mortician he saw no signs of head trauma..

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Considering the weirdness around this case, I wouldn't take the cause of death on the death certificate itself as conclusive evidence. I'd really like to see the underlying medical information it was based on, and then preferably see it gone over by independent doctors. I just don't trust anyone involved in this mess, at this point.

Glen Campbell went on to become a mortician?



Well, that in combination with the "seizure" on the death certificate is certainly starting to add up to a likelihood that Jett actually flat-out died from a seizure itself. That seems consistent with the statements of "death-like seizures" that were reported earlier (even if the publisher of these statements later retracted them probably after threats from Ravolta).

I'd imagine it's very uncommon to die of just a seizure, by itself, if medically treated. If we assume he really did die of a seizure, then the odds are pretty good he wasn't medically treated.

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He sure did!

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I'm on exactly the same page you are.

Morticians handle paperwork, embalm, dress corpses, arrange funerals/wakes and cremations or burials. Death certificates are based on circumstances and observations only recorded by an emergency room doc or something like that. No blood, tissue, organ, etc. tests on corpses that autopsies provide.

There is one type of epilepsy that has severe seizures and a 22% mortality rate.

Similar to the way I doubt Jett's autism was treated through early intensive interventions like speech, occupational and social skills therapy, I doubt that the Travoltas aggressively pursued the proper seizure treatment. (I know, I know, understatement of the year...)

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Hey anyone notice in the vid when the ambulance (s) came in that the lights were not flashing? OR not?
The sirens werent on, but it may be because they cut them off when the hit the hospital driveway??
Just a thought

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glen campbell kicks ass... not the mortician one...

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although mortician seems like cool guy too...

well as herro was asking what my point was.. my point was that the initial story from the hospital as the hospital spokesperson said.. it was seizure thats it..

but then as time went on (actually very short time)... the story changed.. and the second version I showed shows harvey levin explaining why the story changed.. it changed from a talk between harvey and travolta's attorneys ossit and other guy..

travolta's attorneys were purposely trying to make it look like a head trauma was the cause..

the atty's did this for 2 reasons.. one is that anyone could possibly die from a seizure and hitting their head.. while dying from seizure alone.. is rarer and people will ask more questions about why he was not on anti-seizure meds..

secondly.. to treat a bad seizure... you would take them to nearest hospital.. as most hospitals are able to deal with seizures..

but the atty's knew that travolta signed the refusal to transport and was trying to fly Jett to florida..

flying jett to florida and the added time may make sense with a head trauma where you need the best medical care.. but doesn't really cut it with a bad seizure..

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in this story Dames refers to severe injuries...the story changes to ill after the 26th I believe

Fresh Intelligence : Radar Online : Travolta Extortion Mystery Solved

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Damn this website crashing and losing my last post!

Solution to debate on which was the real cause of death (seizure or head trauma) is here:
Coding underlying cause of death

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Did anyone see my post AFTER the one here on page 18?

It went something like...

Jett is found BEFORE 8:00amEST.

JT decides to fly to FL. Calls plane.....

etc.

I can't find it and it's not in my post history, but I stealth edited that fucker like three times for spelling and grammar. So if ANYONE saw that post please let me know so I don't feel even crazier than I already am.

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When WWP went down yesterday, it seems to have eaten many posts with it. WWP probably crashed and came back up with a backup that was less than 24 hours old... but it wasn't up-to-the-minute. (EDIT: Found out they lost about 2 hours of posts when they changed service providers after crashing, and used a 2-hour-old backup.)

My own "cause of death explanation" post was eaten. The original post was much longer, too. So I just slapped up a short version of what I remember from that post.

A bunch of y'all were arguing over what was the cause of death of Jett. There is no conflict. He might well have bumped his head (bloody or not bloody). The point being, if a seizure caused the bump, and the bump caused the death, then the official cause of death would be by seizure.

Thank you "Dr. G.: Medical Examiner" TV show for reminding me that the official reason/cause of death is not always the LAST thing that happened to the person. A simple google search and a little reading (less than 5 minutes) confirmed for me that "cause of death" is codified in the industry (of medical examiners, coroners, doctors, etc.) world-wide.

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You know what would make this a really good scandal ?

too bad since he got fired anyway for talking, that he didn't get tissue samples.


OR DID HE ?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


OH SHI

I Think I just went exterior


LuLz

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Any trauma to the head always looks terrible- lots of blood vessels + thin skin. When people have severe seizures they often end up with severe bruising and cuts on their heads. I knew a very badly affected (grand mal seizure every 1-2 days even on the best medication) epileptic guy once who wore a crash helmet constantly for this reason. To the police who came on scene Jetts injuries could have looked a lot worse than they were, especially if he'd had time to bleed.

TLR Jett could have had head injuries unrelated to his death due to the seizure.

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^^^
I say tissue samples were taken, and results are back.

How do we find out the results?

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Something I haven't seen mentioned but which I picked up when looking at Eli Perkins and other similar cases is that part of the Scientology treatment of psychosis etc is isolation. Lisa was simply shut away and observed without intervention until such time as she came to her senses. Jeremy Perkins was treated with vitamins and isolation. Maybe this explains some of the features of the way they apparently treated Jett. Sorry no dox.

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okay, truth be told. My Step Mother was Epileptic. She died when she was 43. I thought that was young. She also died having many seizures during the course of the day. Why ?

Because she was switched to another medicine that didn't seem to work and my Dad abruptly stop giving her any medicines in the hopes of stopping the seizures.

Did they just recently stop giving Jett his Depakote right before his death ?

If they did, this could have contributed to his death?

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Maybe this is why extortion case ?

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Timeframe works

and I got that little tidbit about the bloodwork being done "locally"

What would be incriminating (worth $20 mil) in Jett's bloodwork?

This is something that didn't fit right when the cause of death was announced.

FOXNews.com - Coroner Says Jett Travolta Autopsy Results May Never Be Released - Celebrity Gossip | Entertainment News | Arts And Entertainment

Yet they made that diagnosis the same day, right?

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A shitload of blow?

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I'm betting heroin. Keeps them a lot quieter. The manny was a lazy fuck and "didn't want Jett to hurt himself while he was indisposed."