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They cremated his body and by doing so, they buried the evidence.

(Shakes head).

Surely we can't be the only ones digging for the truth ?

Is the Media actually going to let them get away with this ?

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I'm not done with this...

Too much bs

Autopsy Confirms Jett Travolta Died of "Seizure," Body to Be Cremated - E! Online

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I know the article refers to early police reports thst refer to head trauma... i have not see those.. but I know Travolta's lawyers were pushing the head trauma story.. as can be seen in the second Harvey levin utube vid..

as far as how long he was off depakote.. that is a key question.... imo.. I found one article that said he has been off depakote for several years.. but I think maybe the reporter in that article was getting confused.. as the several years was mentioned in all other article for how long he had been on depakote..

found this interesting article from way back..

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Meanwhile, the Travoltas and Bahamian police were at odds over when exactly Jett died. The Travolta camp maintains that Jett suffered the fatal fall Friday morning, before his nanny, Jeff Kathrein, found him on the floor, but investigators say it happened the night before.

"The police left the impression that the boy was unsupervised," said McDermott. "There were two nannies with him for the entire evening.

"They made it seem like he was sent to the condo and nobody checked in on him until the next morning," he said.

Police officials stood by their time line Sunday, telling TMZ.com the Travoltas were too traumatized to understand the truth.
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John Travolta issues first statement, 'heartbroken' over son Jett's death

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This would fit with isolation as a Scientology way of treating psychosis. It would do the Travoltas no harm to come out and admit that it doesn't work; raising the dead doesn't work either. In fact none of Hubbard's crazy techniques work. But is leaving him alone overnight worth $20 million? I don't think so; it's public knowledge.

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Also notice from quote that the travolta camp was saying initially that Jett died PRIOR to the manny discovering him.. if thats the case whats with the new story about rushing to hospital in Florida...

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Wilchcombe plans lawsuit

The Nassau Guardian - www.thenassauguardian.com

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Wilchcombe told The Nassau Guardian yesterday he was stunned by an article that appeared in The Journal on Wednesday, the same day that former Progressive Liberal Party Senator Pleasant Bridgewater was arraigned in court on charges of abetment to attempted extortion and conspiracy to extort.

"I was both shocked and surprised that save and except for that incident (The Journal's article) and the behavior of at least two other journalists, the journalists of The Bahamas have been very responsible," he said.

"...To see the story in The Journal, I couldn't believe it when there's no such thing, no such evidence. Nothing like what they reported ever happened. I was taken aback. It's unfortunate that one or two of our journalists decided to follow the sensational line and approach taken by the U.S. media, which in my view performed terribly and were saying the most horrible things about my colleague, Ms. Bridgewater, and myself. I couldn't believe that they went to the extremes they went. Certainly we will have to deal with that."

One attorney told The Guardian that Wednesday's Bahama Journal article is "a defense attorney's dream".

Minister of National Security Tommy Turnquest told reporters this week that he's concerned about the misinformation reported in connection with the matter.

"We don't want to provide more information than we need to so that we do not prejudice the case, but we do want to make sure that we provide enough information so that this speculation and misinformation is not out there," Turnquest said.
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so after pissing off the people of the bahamas.. one dude calling me a "smarty paints"....

someone posted..

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OB jokey son!
Dey need to check he phone record and see who he was calling to set up meetings wit the Travoltas.Might find some interersting information (hint hint).
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not sure what that means.. but it is here...

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I thought I was cynical about corruption in politics, til I started lurking that Grand Bahamas politics board since the death and began to look at the political background. BOY! are those people fucking cynical about politics!

Some of the detail about just how complex / fucked up this is politically...

Who knew extortion involved so many lawyers! Wow, just wow.

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yea thebitch.. am kinda surprised but they seem to be much much more angry at travolta's lawyer gibson than bridgewater...

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BOL...jokes!! (been lurking over there too long, I don't even know what "BOL" means!)

The case (not sure if that's the correct term) against Tarino Lightbourne and Pleasant Bridgewater has 14 witnesses, the only ones I've been able to find out are Travolta, and his three lawyers.

There are 10 more, shouldn't there be a way to find out who they are, would that be public record?
Does it even matter?
Maybe this is just another weird thing planted by CO$ to take focus off the real issue and protect their property?

And I read that JT's Bahamian lawyer (Allyson Gibson?) had been his lawyer for years?
If so wouldn't the locals involved in this have known that, and act accordingly (CYA)?

Seems like a lawyer for many years would also show up in some kind of public record...

CO$ never misses an opportunity to totally fack over as many as possible, do they?
Especially the innocents and those without means...
Looks like they've really stirred an already bubbling over political pot, great diversonary tactics...

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ur doing it rite

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latest from obie..
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"This most recent episode of what can only be described as journalistic terrorism by segments of the foreign media was not the first, and sadly, is unlikely to be the last.

"Where sensationalism has become the grist of the media's money mill, truth has became its first casualty, even within some of the most hallowed halls of Journalism," he said.

This is the second time that a Bahamian politician was caught up in an alleged scandal involving a US Hollywood celebrity.

Mr Wilchcombe stressed that the more important battle is to protect the reputation and character, of the Bahamas and its people.

"Our country must never be assailed because someone chooses to do so, because they believe they have the power to do so or because they believe in this imperialistic approach where they dominate those that are small because they are large - they don't have that right.

"As a people, we are legendary for opening our hearts and our homes to the world. From our hospitality, we have built a tourism economy of unparalleled quality. We value our guests and take pride in treating them well.

"But no one, should mistake our willingness to serve with servitude; nor should they confuse our simplicity with simple-mindedness: We are nobody's fool to be chewed up and spat out.

"Bahamians, like everyone else, must stand against every display of disrespect against them and their institutions by agents of arrogance and ignorance. In the face of raw power and brutish behaviour, we must be willing to stand firm and to insist on our right to live our lives the Bahamian way... which is one of respect for the law and for the rights of every person, Bahamian or not.

"We are not playground operators, just here to collect gate receipts, put on a costume and smile for the customers. This is our home... and this is our life.

"We set the rules for all whom we welcome here. It is my hope that every person charged with the responsibility of protecting the integrity of Bahamian institutions will convey that message to anyone who tries to subvert them, whether from inside or out," said Mr Wilchcombe.

The West End MP has not revealed the names of those media houses in the US that he intends take legal action against.
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Joker Wilchcombe Threatens To Sue US Media / Bahamas News Center

love the title...

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If he claims libel then the media will have to prove what they said or pay him
If CoS fed them bad data or used any of the usual tricks to defend JT or distract the public then there is a good chance all this will come out in court.

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Scenario:

To save himself from the cult, Obie plays ball with them and agrees to sue US media outlets that the cult wants targeted. Watch Obie's lawyers in US suits turn out to be scilons.

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Joker Wilchcombe?

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::::fingers crossed::::

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cowboy, can you pls provide a link to the board?

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Obie to Have Mass Rally - Page 4 - Bahamas Issues Bahamian Web Community

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I hope he sues the fuck out of them. And Ravolta too. Maybe having to defend themselves in court will make the media think twice about breathlessly repeating Scientology's horseshit and lies.

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thx

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Actually if he claims libel (in the U.S. at least) HE will have to prove that their statement was wrong.
How to Prove Libel or Slander for a Civil Lawsuit - Associated Content
In order to win a civil lawsuit for libel or slander, you will need to be able to prove that the statement (either written or spoken) was false.

It could be different in other countries such as where ever this is from:
FAQ's

Qoes the Plaintiff have to prove the alleged libelous statements are true?

A: No. The law presumes in the plaintiff's favour that the statement is false, unless and until the defendant proves the contrary.

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CHAPTER 72 LIBEL

The Government of The Bahamas - Home

Wilchcombe takes Legal Action Against International Media

etc.

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So how does it work when someone in one country sues a newspaper in another country ? Can say China sue a US newspaper for writing something about their government that follows their libel laws but not the laws in the US where the newspaper was printed and sold ?

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It doesn't, very well.

Yes, they can do that (if their laws allow it). But in the US, an entire country could never sue for libel in the first place. You'd have to be a person of some kind (including a corporation). So if China did such a thing, they would not be able to collect in the US. However, assuming that they could do such a thing, they could obviously seize whatever property was within their jurisdiction to satisfy a judgment. This is why companies like Yahoo! and Google (don't be evil lol) fall into line and turn in Chinese dissidents to the government so they can be tortured and have their human rights violated, and possibly even be murdered and have their organs sold to wealthy Westerners. (Incidentally, companies like Yahoo! and Google who do this can be sued for human rights violations in the United States if the victims manage to get legal representation here, under something called the Alien Tort Claims Act and other legal vehicles.)

What's a lot more common is that, like Tom Cruise says in that South Park episode, "I'll sue you in England!" England is a very libel-happy jurisdiction, and their law requires the victim of the libel suit, ahem, the defendant that is, to prove that their statements were true. Even truth isn't an absolute defense. Therefore, libel plaintiffs, especially vastly wealthy ones who can hire foreign law firms, would vastly prefer to sue in England. Generally, a US newspaper will have *some* presence in the United Kingdom, sufficient to bring them under the jurisdiction of the UK courts. The plaintiff would simply serve the defendant with the libel lawsuit at their UK location. If the defendant had *no* business presence in the UK, but shipped its papers to the UK for distribution, the plaintiff could sue the distributor, and/or could also try suing the defendant, but the rules for service of process for international lawsuits are arcane and tricky.

At this point, the defendant would probably argue that the UK court had no jurisdiction over them. They'd hire UK counsel, who would make this argument, and try to avoid answering the complaint itself, only arguing jurisdiction. (At least in the US, if you are arguing jurisdiction, you could in the past accidentally waive your objection to jurisdiction by answering the complaint itself. Your counsel would have to enter a "special appearance" and avoid saying any magic words to challenge just jurisdiction.) If you lost on that (and on any appeals of the issue) you could then conceivably simply ignore the lawsuit and the court would take a default judgment against you. Considering how different UK and US libel laws are, if you only had assets in the US, the plaintiff would then, if they wanted to collect, have to come to the US and try to collect here, a process called "domesticating" a judgment.

Here, the defendant would probably re-argue the jurisdiction issue, and also that they would not have lost the same libel suit in the US, because it would be against the First Amendment, or US law, or whatever other defenses they had for why this judgment should not be collected in the US. This is called collaterally attacking the judgment. If they won on this, the plaintiff could not collect in the US. However, that defendant had best not be found in the UK and served with papers, or acquire any assets there, or those could be levied upon.

Alternately, of course, the defendant could go ahead and defend the case, if they could afford to do this. This would present similar issues if they then absconded and refused to pay up once they lost, though the defendant having consented to jurisdiction, the US court would be less likely to refuse to domesticate the judgment.

This is an off the top of my head short explanation, which may be wrong in parts or in its entirety, and should not be considered legal advice of any kind. Even to the extent it is correct, it would obviously be different if the two countries were anything but US/UK, which are reasonably friendly. By comparison, if something like Iran suing a US newspaper for insulting Allah resulted in a judgment, the response of any US court requested to domesticate the judgment would be to laugh its fucking ass off.

Most scenarios will be somewhere between the two cases. Short answer: it is very difficult and expensive to prosecute a foreign libel lawsuit against a US citizen in a foreign court and then collect it in the US, but it is not impossible and there are procedures for doing so. In fact, Scientology has attempted to do just this to Paulette Cooper, suing her in foreign courts in the UK and Australia after deliberately importing copies of The Scandal of Scientology simply in order to be able to sue her there.

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have been thinking about this lately.. (I wasn't around at the time) but anyone else having second thoughts about the nice message sent out to John Travolta after the death of Jett.. by anonymous..

On the one hand, it helped anons image as not being as cold as CO$.. on the other hand, i think it allowed the media to say.. if the biggest critics of CO$ are gonna give him a pass then we should too..

There are serious questions about the medical care of Jett that are not being looked into by the MSM, and i wonder if things would have been different if the initial message from anon had been more critical..

the big issues not being addressed are namely.. why was a kid who was having grand mal seizures every four days not in the hospital let alone not being attended to by anyone with medical training.. and why wasn't he on any anti-seizure medications.. if the problem was with the liver enzymes there are other anti-seizure meds that do not affect the liver...

and the timeline is a whole nother matter..

not to second guess as I would have probably thought the same way at the time.. but wondering looking back if it was best strategy.. and if media perspective would have changed if anon had issued different message.. maybe not.

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like this will ever get to trial....

2 Bahamians plead not guilty in Travolta case

NASSAU, Bahamas (AP) — An ambulance driver and a former senator have pleaded not guilty to charges that they tried to extort $25 million from actor John Travolta following the death of his teenage son in the Bahamas.

Former Sen. Pleasant Bridgewater remains free on $50,000 bail as does Tarino Lightbourne. He also no longer has to report daily to police.

They pleaded not guilty Tuesday to conspiracy to commit extortion and aiding to attempted extortion.

Both are accused of demanding money to keep secret a document related to the treatment of the celebrity's son. Jett Travolta died of a seizure in January at a family vacation home in Grand Bahama.

The trial is scheduled for Sept. 21.

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It would be surprising if it did. Most court cases end in plea bargaining.

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As far as I care, the cult should be plea bargaining for mercy.

OH SHI- Did I just post in a celeb thread? FUCK!

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Bridgewater?s Trial To Begin In September

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Does not begin well...