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Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

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  1. Mutante Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Exactly.
  2. amaX Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    On the AP youtubed report put up yesterday, the reporter says, that Jett died from a seizure at the family's vacation home. Starts at about :14.

    Now, all you Southern anons look at the TMZ video very carefully and tell me if ya'll agree with this:

    He keeps saying, "It was a seizure and that was it." <----"that was it" means the person died. (I've heard it too many times= "His heart gave out and that was it." "She got cancer and that was it." )

    This guy says, "happened this mornin' 'bout 9:30---he fell and hit his head and that was it.

    Then the guy talks about Jett in the past tense. He says, "He had a history of seizures so that was it."


    Then the guy tries to backtrack a bit and says they're all doing everything they possibly can... Which I guess it's not really a lie.


    Then he says something very interesting. He says, "they called us and then we called EMS and that's when the whole process started."
    Process? Not, "They called us and we called EMS and they stabilized him to bring him here." or "They called us and we called EMS and then they brought him here."
    He says, "that's when the whole process started." That's not the way most people would have worded it.


    Then he says this, "Everybody's with him. The whole family." <--- is also something I've heard my whole life when someone passes away. Yes, it's something that can be said in other circumstances, but I know that in Southern states it's considered a comforting thought that the body---especially the body of a child---is not just left alone by the family and friends.

    I don't know if the real truth will ever come out, but I'd bet money that child was dead at that house when they found him at 9:30AM that morning.
  3. whosit Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    This just in....

    Travolta plot involved transport document - MarketWatch

  4. TheBitch Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    translation

    "He was dead when we got there, there was nothing that could be done, so doing nothing was all we could do and we did it."
  5. whosit Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Yup, and it looks like they're going to let the Travoltas off the hook in the Bahamas.
  6. mrfyde Member

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    If Travolta told the ambulance driver not to file the document and the document was not filed they should BOTH be sitting in a cell waiting for trial.
  7. AnonLover Member

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    i'm still holding my breath the wind might blow another way when bridgewater gets her say in arraignment...

  8. azonymous Member

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    February 11 is a lifetime away...
  9. AnonLover Member

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    dam, WTF! now what do we do with all the popcorn?
  10. anonhuff Member

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    Two words could make a reporter's career: "What treatment?"
  11. WTF Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Hey, it's your popcorn. Besides, it makes for better drama to toss a little delay in for suspense...



    stay tuned!
  12. cowboyanon2 Member

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    its not like Jett needed brain surgery.. he needed help with an ongoing seizure in which they were performing cpr for.. why on earth would he need to fly to florida for that?

    coz he needed a scientologist dr. or was afraid of the publicity?

    and what i want to know is did the ambulance actually drive to or toward the airport.. extending his trip to the hospital?
  13. Donovan Cook Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Maybe I'm missing something here....


    So why is that form even in the whole mix. If JT did sign it then it most definitely comes into play.
  14. azonymous Member

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    Don't have it handy, but I thought I read that the plane couldn't accomodate Jett so they went to the hospital? Pretty sure it was quoted somewhere...

    I thought they actually went to the airport...

    If so there would be a record y/n?
  15. cowboyanon2 Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    oh.. so trying to put some details together in my head..

    I watched the spokesperson at hospital again from morning of jan. 2nd

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5mGvBjEwFg[/ame]

    notice when he is asked what happens he says he had a seizure that was it.. later he mentions him hitting his head and falling... again later he is asked his condition now.. he says well he had a seizure and we don't know..

    main emphasis on seizure not head trauma..

    but in the next day or so... the story turns into being about the head trauma..

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR7BkZ3XrG0[/ame]

    in about a minute into video..

    harvey levin who said he got his info from travolta lawyers states it appears the hitting of the head cause his death...

    so y do the sci lawyers want to blame head trauma instead of a seizure.. well obviously so they don't get blamed for not giving his anti-seizure meds..

    but also.. if Travolta is gonna claim that he needed to fly Jett to florida.. for some expert medical care.. that would be silly for someone suffering an ongoing seizure but is plausible for someone suffering head trauma..

    finally.. he is a report as the story broke from harvey levin

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKqpv_tB3XI[/ame]

    at the beginning and end... WE ARE TOLD THAT JETT WAS DEAD AT THE SCENE..
  16. exOT8Michael Member

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    When the poor boy was discovered, whatever his condition of being alive or not, the JT family might have wanted to call Scientology first to ask for how to deal with it, even before EMT, as JT has probably never heard of the Lisa McPherson story.

    That might account for the huge delay in getting EMT transport.
  17. Vir Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Speculation, possible chain of events:

    Maybe they found him having a seizure but still breathing and with a pulse. He is worse off than he usually is - he's fallen and hurt himself.
    Medics are called and arrive, they check him out and decide he has to go to the hospital.
    John Travolta and Kelly Preston decide that they wants his son to go to Florida by plane instead of being stuck in the hospital in the Bahamas.
    John Travolta signs a refusal of transport, and they want to wait for other transport to the airport.
    Unknown to them, Jett's fall has started an internal bleeding in the brain.
    Jett gets gradually worse.
    The ambulance crew offer to take Jett to the hospital, but they're asked to go to the airport.
    At the airport, they find that the plane can't accomodate Jett. If it's not travolta that's flying, it could be that the air crew refused to take Jett because he was too sick to fly.
    Jett gets worse to the point of his heart stopping. Then they start CPR, and John Travolta also took turns doing CPR in the back of the ambulance. (CPR is very tiring, with only one EMT in the back, switching on compression and bagging is good.)
    CPR, defibrilation etc. continues at the hospital.
    After a while, they realize that Jett is brain dead and that CPR is now useless.
    The emt keeps the document, which now seems irrelevant since Jett's dead. The EMT sees a chance for some blackmail.

    Again, the above is speculation, but it is a plausible chain of events.
    The main point you can take from it is that patients can get worse while you're on the scene, especially with things like internal bleedings.
  18. Vir Member

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    First reports are sometimes inaccurate. He says the hospital confirmed that Jett died, but he doesn't say that the location of death was confirmed.

    Edit: And even if he went into arrest at the scene, it doesn't necessarily mean he arrested before EMS arrived.

    I wonder if he was found without a pulse, or if it stopped after EMS had arrived, or if it stopped in the ambulance.
  19. Mutante Member

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    Yeah, quite likely, apart from the blackmail angle.

    I just don't buy that bit. A story sold to newspaper reporters may be worth something. But Travolta probably already took his own carbon paper copy of any form. It's not about the form.

    I think this is about medically qualified testimony. That's where the potential damage to Scientology and Travolta is, and that's why the ambulance guy is being descredited and silenced before he ever gets a chance to tell or sell his story.
  20. RightOn Member

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    From the Bahamas paper:

    "They received information at the hospital that Travolta was pronounced dead upon arrival at the hospital. "

    It says "they received information AT THE HOSPITAL" that he was DOA.
    So are they saying the hospital received information that he was DOA???

    thebahamasweekly.com - John Travolta's son dies of a seizure in The Bahamas (VIDEO & articles)
  21. LRonAnon Member

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    Because cranial hemorrhage is psychosomatic of course.

    Positional asphyxia can lead to brain death hours before the basic life functions cease. The quick emergency test for brain dead is a drop/squirt of chilled liquid in the ear looking for an ocular response.

    If a victim is receiving 95% of the minimum required oxygen over time the brain is deprived of oxygen giving the basic life functions priority. Final clinical death can take many hours. Jett, being large as he was would have an increased risk of this.

    ^this is science and survival in the wog world.
  22. cowboyanon2 Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    its a first report.. but i have not read any report that contradicts it..

    there are no reports that he died in the ambulance or at the hospital.. he was officially pronounced dead at the hospital...

    assuming a 50 minute ambulance ride.. which was quoted in an article...when ems arrived at scene.. Jett was already dead or within a half an hour to an hour of being known to have died..
  23. Vir Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    No, no, no. The police officers at the hospital were told by the hospital that Jett was pronounced dead upon arrival to the hospital. That means he died during the ambulance ride, or before it. Actual time of death is unknown because we don't have the autopsy report, but I would say the actual time of death was when his heart stopped beating for the last time.

    To say anything more accurate I would need more detailed witness accounts or documents.
    Depending on how you define it, Jett was between life and death before he came to the hospital. They were still truing to resucitate him then. When you don't know if it's hopeless or not, you continue trying to save his life. To the protocol of the EMTs there was still hope.

    The exact actual time of death is hard to determine in this situation, so I would as I said, need to know when his heart stopped beating for the last time to say it exactly, and then we'd only know it in hindsight.
  24. RightOn Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Well...... Now we have to wait... and see the CRAP unfold. I know it's gonna piss me off.
    I just hope SOMETHING comes out that is truthful.
    It's beyond me why the FBI isn't checking phone records, and all the other crap they can be checking. What happened to the mannies being questioned?
    I read the FBI isn't even invlolved? What happened to the "voice" analysis?
    What a bunch of crap.

    Can you freeze popcorn?
  25. rummychick99 Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Did travolta have two planes in the Bahamas that morning because one had already taken off before Jett was found.
  26. WTF Member

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    The 707 was in GA that day and for about a month prior.

    The Gulfstream arrived about 8;30 AM and took off again about 10:40 AM.

    I didn't look for his Eclipse, I think he was still awaiting delivery
  27. rummychick99 Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Thanks for that info. I thought the plane was already there and had taken off before Jett was supposedly found but your information indicates otherwise. It was coming in before Jett was supposedly found.

    i went back and look at the info you posted a few weeks ago.

    The calling in of the jet to get there leads to more suppositions..but will have to wait to more information is released.
  28. Jettlag Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Hi all.

    The mysterious but generically named Mark Smith family doc has been bugging me. This is 1000% unsubstantiated but here goes anyway as others here might be better 'net researchers than I am. I read it on a message board about Jett's death. The doctor was reportedly a Travolta family friend and supposedly a pulmonologist from Tampa, was a doc for one of the FL pro sports teams at one point, raised Catholic and supposedly not a $ci - and again with another supposedly, a stand-up guy acc to the person who knew him. Attended the autopsy for comfort level of Travoltas (somewhat struck me as asking my dermatologist's opinion on ob/gyn, ENT or other medical specialist advice - or seeking something crazy like chiropractor or vitamin shop owner advice for my kid's seizures but hey I did ask a resident friend once to check on a specialist's advice and what I could expect in certain procedures). Was supposedly there with them already as part of the group of 60 friends.

    Just throwing it out there. Hate internet rumors but again, killing me that virtually nothing is known about the family doc and all the BS regarding this kid's death.
  29. cowboyanon2 Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    he was dead at the scene.. at least thats what has been reported...

    and there have been no reports otherwise..

    although what time at the scene he died is a matter of speculation...
  30. WTF Member

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    There is a more tinfoilly scenario:

    Jett throws tantrum because he is out of regular environment. (Autistic kids often get anxious in places other than home.)

    Dad has Jett flown to Home for TV/Cheetos/VideoGames in familiar home environment.

    Jett experiences death in Fl home.

    (Holy bat fuck what do we do now robin?)

    Jett is flown back to Bahamas for theatrics (they are actors afterall).
  31. francie Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Did y'all think about the possibility that the EMT's were called out TWICE in 24 hours? Once when Jett had a seizure, which was not life threatening and Travolta would have wanted to take Jett back to Florida to his own "health care provider" (whomever that might have been). Then later, Jett suffered a second seizure where be bumped his head (severely) and died.

    It would be the first call where Travolta would have requested "no transport". All would have been well had he transported Jett before the second incident. After second the incident proved life threatening (duh... Jett died) the transporters would have wanted to get the information of the prior "no transport request" into some other hands.

    Like one of the earlier posters in this thread said... we're missing some information. Could this be the missing information... two calls to EMT's?
  32. Donovan Cook Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Wait, wait, wait!!

    This flight thing has bothered me since the beginning. Are there any reports that JT (or his crew) wanted to fly Jett in his Gulfstream to FL???

    For those new to the thread click on pic for full version.
    Scr07.jpg

    Also, the EMT time line, I'll assume it takes roughly 30 min. to get to the hotel. That gives us an hour travel time and 15-20 min. there on-scene. Where is the airport??

    This all reminds me of an episode of Futurama called Deep South. The Planet Express crew is underwater and Bender's cigar burns down Dr. Zoidberg's house. When the crew finds the cigar, Hermes says,

    [COLOR=&quot;Blue&quot;][SIZE=&quot;2&quot;]&quot;That just raises further questions!&quot;[/SIZE][/COLOR]
  33. TheBitch Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Would you believe new facts emerge from behind the Great Firewall?

    John Travolta document details

    Moar at article. Comments here...

    News Talk | John Travolta document details

    Presumably they're not only moderated, but they know where you live and whether or not you're a Party Member.
  34. fitch2000 Member

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    http://ahcms2.nbcuni.com/content/images/82/originals//82071.jpg

    Death certificate says he died at the resort. I have always heard he died there as far as I know that info never changed. Soo, my theory is

    he was found dead, some guy at resort calls EMS (oh shit, now what?), travolta's want to take him to florida "for treatment", EMS guy says wtf? Obie is there, he says wtf?

    Obie, the Bahama tourism/friend of family guy is watching all this lying/spinning going on. He gets an idea. The EMS guy and I "know" what happened. Wonder what it's worth. So he starts "talking" on Larry King but giving the "shore story". He gives EMS guys name for interviews for him to "talk" about the "shore story." They were letting Travolta's know they could get face time to "talk."

    Also if Ravolting's plane came in at 8:30 and left at 10:30, I find that VERY relevant. Who flew in an hour before the EMS was called and left an hour and a half before Jett was declared dead?
  35. TheBitch Member

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    Who ya gonna call? Call Harvey!

    3235505107_7a73eb47bb.jpg?v=0.jpg

    Oh, come on! You were all thinking it!
  36. rummychick99 Member

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    Is there a public way for you to find out when the flight plan was filed?
  37. Ann O'Nymous Member

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    IMHO, the best we can do is documenting the contradictions in the family's statements. We could add the police's and justice's ones for good measure. I am ready to contribute but won't do it alone.
  38. rummychick99 Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Travolta's lawyer, the former Attorney General during the Daniel Smith fiasco, is allegedly claiming she is getting death threats from her party -the PLP

    Their local newspaper claimed yesterday that the PLP wanted to kick the lawyer out of the party.

    Info gathered from the Bahamasissues site.
  39. Mutante Member

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    More smokescreen. Next it'll be yellow vans.
  40. TheBitch Member

    Re: Charges Filed! Dateline Bahamas - Senior Pol Charged with Extortion!

    Story based on the AP Wire...

    $37m Travolta extortion bid: woman called Pleasant accused of turning nasty

    The question is being asked, just not at the right VOLUME for $25 million bucks of believing!

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