Chicago - October 2010 - Planning

Chicago - October 2010 - Planning

Hey, guys and gals. As far as I can see, we have a couple things we need to collectively figure out for this month. The starting time seems to be comfortably set at noon, but the other stuff might be up in the air:


1.) Location: The usual candidates are Millennium Park and the Scientology org at 3011 N. Lincoln Ave.

2.) Date: Chicago virtually always holds its monthly protest on the 2nd Saturday of the month, which would be the 9th of October. However, this month has a special event which falls on the same date: the Minneapolis regional event. In order to avoid conflict, we may want to consider moving our monthly protest to another Saturday.


Let's give it a while so people can contribute their preferences and input and then see if we can come up with some sort of consensus. And if you're new or thinking about coming, feel free to say hi or drop questions here.

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My vote is for the Org again. It was a blast stirring up the hornets nest by protesting right in front of the Org this past Saturday. I intend to do the same this time as well. I'm even willing to get myself arrested if that's what it takes to affirm the right of Anons to exercise their free speech rights and protest in front of the Org like Anons in all other cities have the right to do.

As for date, I say October 23rd for myriad reasons I won't bore anyone with.

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i wont be able to get to chicago in october. i vote for a different weekend, say do it the third saturday. i can drive anons to minneapolis if they want to go. same arrangement as the failplan of boston applies. you pay for gas, i drive. minnfags say they can lodge broke-ass anons, so we can crash with them. pm me if you want to do that.

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I would like to support my friend Darth Xander in his efforts to challenge the 150 foot protest buffer zone by protesting in front of the Chicago org on October 23rd.

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Uh oh! Get your popcorn ready!

I would love to see this drama go down, and it would be great if we can continue building momentum at the org if we can. So while I'm pretty flexible, I'm totally down with this idea of doing the org on the 26th if we can.

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i wish darth xander luck and godspeed.

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Shall we do an overly Halloween themed protest? Ghosts of theatans past perhaps?

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I vote you guys come to Rawktober in Winnesota. We have our raids the same days you do, and after that were going to the Zombie Pub Crawl.

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Raid at the org. Until they understand what "Right to Assembly" means.

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Re: MN raid invite. I obviously do not speak for all of anon when I say this, but we have some amazing momentum building here and if all goes as planned, it will only get amazing-er. I won't be attending unless it is group consensus we postpone our at-home awesome to support some northern neighbor awesome. If that IS the consensus, I'm in, but there's no way I'm sitting out on what will hopefully be the biggest enturbulation breakthrough in Chicago history.

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As much fun as it sounds req, no can do. I'm bracing for epic right here in Chicago.

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Cool

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1. Enturbulate bawwing scilons.
2. Bawwing scilons call CPD.
3. Anon falls on sword in effort to challenge bogus interpretation of bogus law.
4. ?????
5. Profit.

Locally, epic enturbulation breakthroughs are inevitable. The cults abuse of this ordinance is plainly obvious and ultimately doomed to failure. Challenging this abuse is something Anon can do on it's own schedule. We so run this.

Poorly worded ordinance is poorly worded. Chicago code has/has had other similar ordinances. Some have survived Supreme Court challenges. Others haven't There's a very good chance that this law would not survive a challenge but it's not a small undertaking.

Short of that, shouldn't Anon have a pretty clear idea of where it's going with regards to challenging the cults abusive interpretation of this law as it stands? Taking on a misdemeanor "disorderly conduct" charge may or may not be requred to get the ball rolling but if so, is Anon sufficiently lawyered up ahead of time? What else should be considered, ie; contacting the Nat'l. Lawyers Guild for legal observers, insuring continuous video documentation, etc.? Ridiculous as it all may be, the slapfight to follow will be long and serious.

On the other hand, some googling around shows that the [STRIKE]GNAA[/STRIKE] GLN came up against this same ordinance during a picket that they held outside of Holy Name Cathedral last Valentines day while a wedding vow renewal event was taking place. It's a real church and hasn't done much bawwing on it's own, save for one parishoner/lawyer who's been using the event to push her own seperate agenda. During the picket, she was all liek arrest these faggots now and the police were all liek STFU.

It turns out that the [STRIKE]GNAA[/STRIKE] GLN is being represented by Loevy & Loevy. An outfit that has a real way of pissing off the city and pissing off rank and file CPD. By appearances, it seems that the city and the CPD saw this as a trap and made the wise choice not to spring it. Nobody got arrested.

It's possible that due to external influences, getting arrested for peacefully violating this ordinance at this point in time could be more of a challenge than even the cult realizes.


That and Minn is also WIN! Minn has brought Chicago much epic enturbulation. Hopefully some Chicago Anons will be able to show, even Anons that haven't gotten out of the basement for a while.

And cocks.

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Thanks for highlighting the GLN protest. My past experience with two raids of the Org is that the CPD exercises a great deal of discretion in enforcing the code (as you could see on the Sept. 11th video) and I'm not surprised they didn't enforce it at a large one-time high profile protest like that. I am an attorney, and I have found case law involving a similar Chicago code restriction that makes it abundantly clear an all-day 150 feet protest buffer is unconstitutional. To the extent the city actually tries to enforce this provision, and I'm not sure they will when push comes to shove, I'm also aware anytime someone challenges a law and that law is held unconstitutional, there are compensatory measures available to the prevailing party.

Make no mistake about it. The inability of Anons to protest in front of the Chicago Org is rapidly coming to a close. It starts Oct. 23rd.

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as for Winnesota, milwaukee is going. the offer for rides to chifags who want to attend IS OPEN. As for getting arrested to stop stupid laws: this is win. I wish i could make it more often cause you all know i would do it.

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Yeah, again, I'm down with the idea of shifting the Chicago monthly protest to the 23rd. That's the date that a couple people said they preferred anyway, earlier in the thread. That leaves the 9th open for anyone who's interested in attending the Minn event. Conflict avoided?

Or we could ask Minn to accommodate us by moving their event to another date! <--troll

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I like the idea of moving it to the 23rd, and not just because it makes way for Rawktober. Depending on how much the Chicago Anons that come can tell us here in Minn we can help. Maybe with ideas about how to plan the protest, how to write it on flyers to pass out the the public, et cetera. I'm willing to help the Chicago Anons that come to Rawktober though this.

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October will be only my second monthly protest, so forgive me if this has been discussed before. If we hit the Org, do we bring chalk? Anyone know if that's legal in Chicago? I'd love to see Bob or iPod Girl have to come out to wash it away.

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Don't bring chalk. While it may not be illegal, it is still considered vandalism. We are pretty close to being able to protest infront of the org. I doubt any of us want to mess that up.

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alright! do the 23rd; it's mole day!

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23rd, final answer?

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Let me contact you soon with what I know so I don't kill the flow of this thread with a long & boring post.

Ha, I had to look Mole Day up.

Can we give it like one week before making it official? I want to see if there's anyone else chiming in late with a different preference. I don't think that's likely, but I don't want anyone to feel like they got shut out of the decision-making process because they hadn't checked WWP in a while.

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How about a miniraid on the 30th. And what are their Sunday "service" hours? I wanna go trick or treating dressed as a thetan.

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30th is the Rally to Restore Sanity / Keep Fear Alive in DC. Chicago is having a satellite rally in Grant Park starting at the same time. I'll be in DC.

HEAR THAT, 3RDMAN!? I'LL BE IN DC.

I'LL BE. IN. DC.

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Pics of you guys doing a bro hug or gtfo.

Also, for those of you reading this and are interested in coming out October, check your PM's. I sent out a thing to a bunch of people about candy/cake options for this month.

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YAY! CHIFAGS INVADE DC! Keep the PMs coming 9376. Gotta work out the details on how this is gonna work.

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Sooo... who else is excited for October 23rd at the org?

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Me!

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Just a bunch of wogs, that's who.

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I am ready for a Big Win on the 23rd!

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Mee :3

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Alright, as far as I'm aware of it, here's the rough gameplan for any new people:

Date: Saturday, Oct. 23rd, 2010

Time: Noon-3 p.m. or later. That's a rough guideline; of course, nobody's bound to anything, and people can show up and leave when they wish. It's just that people typically start arriving around noon and then by 1 we're close to hitting full steam. We go for at least a few hours, and we tend to play our ending time by ear - might depend on things like weather, how tired we're feeling, etc.

Location: Near the org at 3011 N. Lincoln Ave. Here's a map of the area:



Typically, we gather up at the corner of the 6-way intersection in front of the funeral home. I was planning on spending the first hour (12-1) settling in at that spot, and then we'll see what happens from there.

The usual common-sense stuff applies: expect to be photographed or videoed, and keep a cool head if we get any interaction with Scientologists who aren't feeling friendly.

What to bring: Comfortable footwear, anything you need for the weather (warm hat, umbrella, long underoos...), a drink, and youthful exuberance (haha). We usually have most of the other bases covered. You can rock your own sign/fliers/whatever or borrow and use ours - we typically have plenty of extras. Have fun!

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Hey guys, I just want to say I think you guys are doing the world a favor. I would also like to join in on the one that you're planning for in Chicago. By the way, where could I get the mask?

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Thanks for the pat on the back! We appreciate it.

As far as finding the V mask: I know Chicago Costume used to carry it, although I don't see it listed on their website anymore. Still, it might be worth phoning them at (773) 528-1264 and asking them, particularly if they have one of their numerous stores in your neck of the woods.

Barring them, you could try any one of the numerous Halloween stores that pop up this time of the year, or falling back to ordering from Amazon.com or an online costume retailer.

The mask should be under $10.

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Thanks for the information, I couldn't really figure out how to search for the mask.

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Us wogs must stick together if we are to have any chance against the combined OT powers of our erstwhile antagonists.

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I just thought of this. Before you guys do the arrest to make the point, I think for a week there should be protests everyday at the org. At least 2 people there. That way it will be documented by the police (hopefully [we all know they love to call the police, but maybe they won't]) that they claim religious services all day, everyday, thus preventing our first amendment right to freedom of speech. Otherwise it's only been documented that they have religious services all day on SATURDAY.

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What exactly is the long term goal of this arrest? What point is it going to prove in the long run? Will the police even care?

Observation and suggestion: If your going this far to challenge a regulation, you can instead try to challenge it with the legislation of Chicago or Illinois, whoever established it in the first place. Instead of giving yourself an arrest record and loosing respect with the authorities and those who might listen to your point. The protest distance issue would be easier to challenge, and overturn without getting yourself in trouble.

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Unnecessary (although it would be fun). The Scilons need only claim to hold services for an entire day in order for the challenge to be successful. Actually, if you want to get nit picky, they don't even need to do that. The 150 ft. restriction, in and of itself, is unconstitutional.

Long term goal is the lifting of a vastly over-broad restriction on peaceful protest activities in the city of Chicago.

The point its going to prove? See answer above as to what long term goal is.

Do the police even care? Better question: who cares what the police care about in this regard? Their function is to enforce the ordinance. It is the state's attorney who ultimately determines who is prosecuted for any violation. It is the state's attorney who understands niceties such as unconstitutionally broad restrictions on speech. That is who we must speak with. And if my arguments prove ultimately unpersuasive to the assistant assigned to my case, I will make the same arguments to a judge.

As for your suggestion, do you have any idea how much time and work is involved in lobbying to change a law vs. challenging same law in a court of law? It is the difference between a couple years worth of work vs. a couple of hours to get the same result.

As for giving myself an arrest record, I'm not sure what is lost by that. I do not believe I will lose the respect of any authorities when this happens. Point of fact, I believe respect will be gained when I sit down with them and discuss and review with them the relevant case law.