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Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

Discussion in 'GoldBase' started by Belladonna, Dec 4, 2009.

  1. Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

    I said back on page one or two that I don't need to take stone at his word to believe that he is telling the truth about being unwilling to support it. Supporting what the cult wants would be politically harmful to him during his run for state senate. Stone has shown himself to be, more than anything else, a politician.
  2. Anonynamefag Member

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    Hasn't stopped him before. He is, after all, the one who brought out the "Anonymous Packet", full of Scilon propaganda. He even asked one of us what we believe the difference is between Anonymous and the KKK.

    As I said: He has been the cult's shill since day one, in every sense of the word. Every single video we have of him, including the Board of Supervisors' meetings, confirms that.
  3. xenubarb Member

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    You are not seriously trying to take credit for this, are you? The cult has been trying to get this road closed for years! Trust me, a couple of OG bawling thru a paper horn has nothing to do with this new tactic. Here are a few factors you should consider.

    The cult got Gilman Springs Road closed for a week "for filming." The permit was for a month, but motorists raised such a bawww, the road was reopened.

    Sanderson is being widened for some long term development plan. Sanderson runs along the same route as GSR, to the west of Gold and the San Jacinto riverbed.

    The cult would like that to become the only route to the freeway, I-10. Therefore, they seem to be working to make GSR less desirable and more dangerous so they can "prove" it is a hazardous route. Their timing might be a little off, as their past tendency to do things without permits or permission might be about to bite them in the ass.

    There have been several rather large raids at Gold Base; the result has been speaker tech, sprinkler tech, and assault tech. These raids were multi-city, multi-state meetups of anonymous.

    I seriously doubt that you have had any impact on Scientology's actions in Riverside County, save putting the people at Gold Base into lockdown mode. But they do that for anyone.
  4. Belladonna Member

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    Press-Enterprise
    Don't close the high road

    December 11, 2009
    Bob Pratte

    Don't close the high road | Columns | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California

  5. exOT8Michael Member

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    ZOMG if they close the road, AO's van-mobile could no longer drive down there!

    ONOZ

    tuurrrdbusters.jpg
  6. xenubarb Member

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    Time for poonage on this poll: to close or not to close?

    The Valley Chronicle > Front
  7. _You_ Member

  8. _You_ Member

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    The $cilon predators 'smell blood in the water' and are attempting to take advantage of the problems within the San Jacinto City Council.

    They see that some of their opponents are vulnerable and so they are making another move.
  9. Anonynamefag Member

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    poond
  10. Sponge Member

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    Btw, We never got any photos or any video of this picket.
    Maureen wrote a report on ARS which I copypasted to OCMB and Magoo mentioned it but other than that, nothing.
  11. J. Swift Member

    Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

    Julie laid down the hammer on Jeff Stone. Her calling him the "King of Riverside County" and calling him on closing Gilman Springs Road for CoS was spectacular. Stone replied with what was obviously a prepared, coached PR statement in which he claims that he is the Protector of all Religions. Stone attempted to "rise above the fray" in an even, well-modulated, nuanced reply. In this newest video, Stone acted like a guy who has something in his back pocket he is readying to use. He had the classic "shit eating grin" on his face of someone who has a hidden card to play. I think I have Stone's new composure and serenity figured out: He may have found some other people to throw under the bus that had his name on it!

    I have been researching and have found what may be Jeff Stone's escape strategy from Scientology and closing GSR. In fact, this escape strategy gets the entire Riverside BOS off the hook. Let's connect some dots! Here is the City of San Jacinto at present:

    SJ1.png

    Nov 12, 2009: Four San Jacinto City Council members were indicted by Rod Pacheco on corruption charges. ref: Four San Jacinto city council members, five others accused of corruption | Inland News | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California

    Nov 30, 2009: Post-indictment, the San Jacinto City Council reschedules a public hearing on land annexation: ref: San Jacinto asks for annexation hearing to be postponed | Riverside County | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California


    Suddenly, with Stone's political career at risk, the San Jacinto City Council members want to "even out" their northern boundary. There has never been any need to do this, but people like straight lines. Besides, Stone and his cronies on the BOS need to quickly offload about 500 acres of unincorporated Riverside County that contains a big problem named Scientology Gold Base. Four of the five San Jacinto City Council members need money and attorneys to mount a legal defense against Rod Pacheco who, at least in this scenario, could later reduce or drop charges if the indicted take a hit for Team Stone and the BOS. The reputations of the indicted are shot to hell at this point; they just want to escape assrape prison. Scratch JeffRod's back and they'll scratch yours! With ~500 acres annexed (shown in orange) the new map of San Jacinto City suddenly has a razor-sharp northern edge:

    SJ2.png

    By giving San Jacinto ~500 acres to "even out" its northern boundary, the four indicted San Jacinto City Council members can vote to close Gilman Springs Road for, say, safety reasons. Jeff Stone can then argue that he was dead set against closing Gilman Springs Road and was only ever arguing for religious freedom. He allowed protesters to speak. 884 was to protect religious people from harassment.

    A San Jacinto City Council public hearing on annexation of 500 acres is scheduled for February 25th. Riverside County officials can zip through an approval to relinquish the 500 acres to San Jacinto even faster than they can approve a retroactive permit for grading at Gold Base.

    Scenario: Boss Stone and the BOS appear to be readying to relinquish Gilman Spring Road and Gold Base to the City of San Jacinto. The whole Gold Base/GSR mess will then be in the hands of people who get money donated to their legal defense by shadowy, yet concerned, groups and individuals. The San Jacinto City Council votes to close GSR immediately and indefinitely for safety and budget reasons: The City of San Jacinto has no money to maintain the road. In order to get cash and avoid layoffs of loyal city workers, San Jacinto sells that strip of land to the highest bidder, a local religious group. As a bon mot, the City of San Jacinto gets the property taxes from the large Country Lake Mobile Home Park. Property tax receipts from one trailer park are all that it may cost Stone and the BOS to exit this mess.

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  12. J. Swift Member

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    ref: San Jacinto asks for annexation hearing to be postponed | Riverside County | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California

    Country Lake Mobile Home Park is located at marker A shown below. The mobile home park is near an infamous Cult Base. I wonder if Scilon/Trailer Park King Norton Karno owns this trailer park? That would certainly make things go easier. The Cult Base would presumably be on annexed land.

    SJ3.png

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  13. Anonymous Member

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    Julie is my new G-d

    My addition:

    Mr. Stone, what is your fiduciary responsibility to uphold governmental powers?

    Mr Stone: "I believe in churches"
  14. i'mglib Member

  15. WTF Member

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    Council resembles "Fatten, Farten, Bursten and Ouze" of Msn [STRIKE]Teegeeack[/STRIKE] [STRIKE]Blito P3[/STRIKE] Earth "fame".
  16. J. Swift Member

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    Glib, look at the timeline:

    September 3, 2009: San Jacinto City Council voted unanimously Thursday to go on record opposing any future proposal to close Gilman Springs Road where it bisects the Church of Scientology's Golden Era Productions property.

    Nov 12, 2009: Four San Jacinto City Council members were indicted by Rod Pacheco on corruption charges.

    Nov 30, 2009: Post-indictment, the San Jacinto City Council reschedules a public hearing on land annexation.

    In my scenario, Stone & Company quietly tried to shove the annexation and road closure down the throats of the San Jacinto City Council. It is curious that the SJ Council opposed on record when they had no ownership or control of that stretch of GSR. Riverside County owns the stretch of GSR in question. In retrospect, it looks like perhaps a pissing contest between the County BOS and the SJ Council. It is possible that the Riverside BOS wanted the SJ Council to do the dirty work of closing GSR and taking the heat. The SJ Council refused to play ball and went on record to publicly signal their defiance of Stone and the BOS. This was a public slap of Jeff Stone's face and so the King of Riverside decided to handle these SP's. Maybe Stone had some friends call Rod about the funny money in SJ. You push Stone, he pushes back. He strikes me as a bare-knuckled, hardball local pol.

    Suddenly, Rod Pacheco finds all kinds of legal problems and indicts the four of the SJ council members. Being now in a more amenable and cooperative state of mind, the SJ Council members suddenly understand the virtues of:

    1) Having a straight northern city boundary line.

    2) Doing Boss Stone's dirty work.

    Shit always rolls down hill. Stone is not going to lose his next big political race over 500 acres of Cult, fields, and a trailer park. His ambitions are bigger than that. Most of the SJ City Council maybe didn't understand the pecking order in Riverside County or campaign finance law? It appears that some sort of squirreled False Purpose Rundown has restored their mental clarity.

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  17. Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

    Nice find, Swift!
  18. EyeOnSci Member

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    Very nice find.
  19. Ann O'Nymous Member

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    Interesting. But without a positive answer to your question - or something similar - your theory looses some of its interest.
  20. WTF Member

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    This guy?

    Norton S. Karno - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  21. Ann O'Nymous Member

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    This is know fact. The issue here is whether scientology has - or not - direct or indirect control of the park, through Karno or somebody else.
  22. J. Swift Member

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    Agreed. I welcome research help from interested parties. For example, Gold Base is 500 acres. If we add in Gold Base and some extra acreage, we get a strangely gerrymandered annexation that includes GSR while leaving a large unincorporated pocket in San Jacinto. However, it does give us the even boundary line that San Jacinto strangely claims to want and need. Conveniently, this annex would encompass Gilman Springs Road between Highway 79 and Soboba Road -- just what the Cult wants and needs!

    SJ4.png

    DA Pacheco has four of the five SJ City Council members over a barrel. However, any strangely-configured annex tends to be incriminating of Jeff Stone and his colleagues on the Board of Supervisors. I recommend researching this issue to see if we can get traction before Feb 25. Given correct data and powerful PR, we can force Jeff Stone and the BOS to make a decision publicly on GSR and not dump it on a weak, compromised San Jacinto City Council. This remains a theory, but the smoking gun here is the unusual specification for an "even" boundary line.

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  23. Anonymous Member

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    I think we may have a future wedding on our hands..

    .J. Swift and Ann.
  24. Scintellanon Member

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    On the Riverside County Recorder of Deeds website, Norton Karno brings alot of mystical results, mostly which seem to be hidden under trust agreements. "Country Lake Mobile Home Park" comes up with lots of County Tax Liens, and record 22 shows the name of a grantor/grantee, one of which is usually an owner.

    (for Internet searches I'm also seeing a/k/a Country Lake MHP)

    Record 1

    Document Number: 1998-196296 Recording Date: 5/15/1998
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    COUNTRY LAKE RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR

    Record 2

    Document Number: 1998-205346 Recording Date: 5/20/1998
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME PARK RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR

    Record 3

    Document Number: 1998-205347 Recording Date: 5/20/1998
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME PARK RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR

    Record 4

    Document Number: 1998-354728 Recording Date: 8/24/1998
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: RELEASE COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR COUNTRY LAKE

    Record 5

    Document Number: 1999-154496 Recording Date: 4/12/1999
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: RELEASE COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME PARK

    Record 6

    Document Number: 1999-279845 Recording Date: 6/23/1999
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME COMMUNITY RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR

    Record 7

    Document Number: 1999-279860 Recording Date: 6/23/1999
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME COMMUNITY RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR

    Record 8

    Document Number: 1999-279861 Recording Date: 6/23/1999
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME PARK RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR

    Record 9

    Document Number: 1999-279886 Recording Date: 6/23/1999
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    COUNTRY LAKE MOBILHOME COMMUNITY RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR

    Record 10

    Document Number: 1999-435633 Recording Date: 9/30/1999
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: RELEASE COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME COMMUNITY

    Record 11

    Document Number: 1999-443980 Recording Date: 10/5/1999
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: RELEASE COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME COMMUNITY

    Record 12

    Document Number: 1999-443981 Recording Date: 10/5/1999
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: RELEASE COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME PARK

    Record 13

    Document Number: 1999-443982 Recording Date: 10/5/1999
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: RELEASE COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR COUNTRY LAKE MOBILHOME COMMUNITY

    Record 14

    Document Number: 2000-242888 Recording Date: 6/23/2000
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME COMMUNITY RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR

    Record 15

    Document Number: 2000-242889 Recording Date: 6/23/2000
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME PARK RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR

    Record 16

    Document Number: 2000-328850 Recording Date: 8/22/2000
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: RELEASE COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME COMMUNITY

    Record 17

    Document Number: 2000-328851 Recording Date: 8/22/2000
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: RELEASE COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME PARK

    Record 18

    Document Number: 2001-022212 Recording Date: 1/18/2001
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: RELEASE COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR COUNTRY LAKE MOBILEHOME PARK

    Record 19

    Document Number: 2003-448041 Recording Date: 6/18/2003
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    COUNTRY LAKES MOBILE HOME PARK RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR

    Record 20

    Document Number: 2004-0219602 Recording Date: 3/29/2004
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: RELEASE COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR COUNTRY LAKES MOBILE HOME PARK

    Record 21

    Document Number: 2004-0481146 Recording Date: 6/22/2004
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: COUNTY TAX LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    COUNTRY LAKE MOBILE HOME PARK RIVERSIDE COUNTY TAX COLLECTOR

    Record 22

    Document Number: 2007-0416216 Recording Date: 6/27/2007
    Number of Pages: 1 Cost to Buy: $7.00
    Add $1.00 for certified copy
    Document Type: RELEASE MECHANICS LIEN
    Grantors Grantees
    JOHNSON JASON ERIC ALFTER JOHN
    COUNTRY LAKES MOBILEHOME PARK SP 282

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    There is a history of County Tax Liens on the property.

    Record 22 indicates a release of Mechanic's Lien.


    You can enter a name in the "Grantor/Grantee" field:
    OpenDNS

    Karno Norton
    [[FSE DESERT PROP FSE DESERT PROP
    KARNO NORTON S TR PLOTKIN JAY J
    NORTON S KARNO CORP PLAN & TRUST]]
    -------------
    Country Lakes

    --

    I'm not readily finding this park so far, in the notorious list of 'manufactured home communities' owned by Karno...yet
  25. Anonymous Member

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    NORTON S KARNO CORP PLAN & TRUST

    RADIUS INC (Form: SC 13D, Received: 12/11/1997 16:59:41)

    (c) The principal occupation of Mr. Karno is as an attorney at law with Norton S. Karno, A Professional Corporation (the "PC")

    DM is not clear and Karno is an illegal PC
  26. Scintellanon Member

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    If this is any indication of how the cult can discriminatingly run property and steer community votes, see this March 2009 media article about this Naples, Florida mobile home park:

    Senior citizens win another round in fight to save East Naples mobile home park Naples Daily News

    "During Friday’s hearing, the homeowners’ attorney, A.J. Stanton, who is co-counsel with Lee Jay Collings, cited what he referred to as all the secrets and unethical behavior homeowners dealt with over the years.

    He was referring to homeowners being unaware the park was being offered to Norton S. Karno, a millionaire businessman who wanted it to satisfy a debt by Ellenburg; a homeowner discovered that after they sued. Years later, Karno offered to pay residents $1,680 each if they’d elect three new homeowner association board members, but residents refused. They believed Karno wanted three new board members so he could have control and drop their lawsuit against MHC, which he represents.

    [...]

    Since their first lawsuit, residents filed two more alleging illegal rent increases and harassment by MHC and its management.

    Even at the clubhouse meeting Friday, attorneys and homeowners had to watch what they discussed because MHC’s manager and his wife were listening in and refused to leave.

    Since their legal battle began, several residents have died. Others moved out — unable to afford the increases on their Social Security income — while others gave up and deeded their homes to MHC.

    -----

    Indeed, to find out who is steering and targeting real estate in the area for bargaining chips - for one religious sect - (not all churches) must be against housing laws.
  27. J. Swift Member

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    That is a tremendous insight! This is why it needs to be determined if Karno owns, or is part owner, of the mobile home park. Anecdotally, there have been stories over the years (post-Lisa McPherson) that SO offloads terminal members to local trailer parks to die. The Cult also uses homes and mobile homes to babysit Scilons who are having psych breaks. The so-called "babysitting houses" are another aspect of CoS hiding people. The Cult does not want Scilons dying on its property as it brings in the police and an investigation. The proximity of this MHP to Gold is suggestive, but inconclusive w/o proof.
  28. RightOn Member

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    is this any help?

    Norton S. Karno watchers have suspected for some time that Karno himself may have designed these byzantine and elegant corporate structures to shield Scientology and replace the amateurish and clumsy machinations of such previous entities as L. Ron Hubbard's money-skimming operation the ""Operation Transport Corporation" (OTC). (Interestingly, Karno is also representing Slatkin real estate pal Doug Neuman against Slatkin)

    Other past (and possibly still 'present') trusts include the United States Parishioners' Trust, the Trust for Scientologists, the International Publications Trust, the International SOR (Sea Org Reserves) Trust, the Buildings Trust, the Dissemination Trust, the International Missions Trust and the Films Trust.

    CSRT is, acording to the IRS back-room deal, a 501(c)(3), 170(c)(2), and 509(a)(3) organization:

    "6. Pursuant to a ruling request, the Service hereby modifies the individual determination letter (copy attached as Exhibit III-20) that the Church of Scientology Religious Trust ("CSRT") is an organization described in Code sections 501(c) (3), 170 (c) (2), and 509(a) (3)."

    It is a member of the Church Tax Compliance Committee, making it a sort of para-IRS within the Church of Scientology itself.

    From the formerly secret settlement (language):

    "The corporate CTCC members are Religious Technology Center (RTC), Church of Spiritual Technology (CST), Church of Scientology Flag Service Organization (CSFSO), Church of Scientology Western United States (CSWUS), Building Management Services (BMS), and Church of Scientology Religious Trust (CSRT). (hereinafter "Corporate CTCC members"). The Church of Scientology Religious Trust is also a Corporate member, to be represented by one CSRT trustee designated for this purpose. The Presidents of RTC, CSI, CST, CSFSO, CSWUS and BMS shall serve as representatives of their respective entities on the CTCC. No Corporate CTCC member may withdraw from the CTCC.

    "The individual members of the CTCC are David Miscavige, Norman Starkey, Mark Rathburn (should be "Rathbun") and Heber Jentzsch. No individual member of the CTCC shall be permitted to withdraw from service on the CTCC, except by reason of death, being adjudicated an incompetent, or by mutual agreement of the parties of this Agreement."

    there's more:
    http://www.slatkinfraud.com/csrt.htm


    or this:
    $1,000 a Day Fine Imposed for Mobile Home Park with Toxic Tap Water
    by Baca 2008

    http://www.kesq.com/global/story.asp?s=8868212&ClientType=Printable

    Or:
    Residents in Naples Estates own their homes but not the land on which they stand.

    On Jan. 31, they received a 90-day notice from Cal-Am Properties (owned by Norton S. Karno), informing them of an impending monthly rent increase of more than 68.5 percent.

    This increase is on top of the already high monthly rent which homeowners have to pay for their land and service charge, which has increased considerably over the past 10 years since Cal-Am Properties has owned the park.

    Naples Estates is a well-established mobile home park for people 55 years of age and over. There are approximately 500 units in the park and a considerable number of residents have lived here for many years — and it is their only home.

    A large proportion of them are elderly men and women living alone who are unable to afford such an exorbitant increase. Residents include war veterans who fought for their country in World War II, Korea and Vietnam.

    http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2007/feb/08/letter_going_and_and/


    or:
    The answer might be in the fact that the Beverly Hills owner, Carolyn Ortiz, a year ago had signed over power of attorney to Norton Karno, an attorney for the Church of Scientology and the late L.Ron Hubbard. Ortiz had purchased the Village from her late father's estate for $4.2 million in 1998. It's possible Karno acted on his own in negotiating the sale to Archstone.

    Meanwhile the distraught senior citizens in Mission Valley Mobile Home Park are fearing their future, not knowing what kind of package will be offered to them. Especially at risk are the nine residents whose homes are for sale-who would buy into such a situation? Other residents, many on fixed incomes, simply can't afford to move. It could cost as much as $50,000 to relocate a large mobile home, even if space could be found for it. Also, rents in mobile home parks are continually on the rise. At Mission Valley Village, the space rent which was $485 per month in January 2005 had risen to $725 in 2007.

    http://www.lermanet.com/reference/norton-karno-scn-lawyer.txt
  29. Herro Member

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    Your new god? She basically got up there and made a bunch of groundless accusations and asked Stone why he hates puppies and freedom. I know it always feels good to see someone else saying what you're thinking but come on.
  30. Sponge Member

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    The section of the old 79 road in the proposed annexed land shown on J.Swift's map is south of the section where the cult's gold base is. Excuse me but how does that help anyone close the section of Gilman Springs Road which runs through gold base?

    Or is it a suggestion that somehow, once the land is annexed, the San Jacinto city council is somehow going to do a clean'n'sweep of the area south of gold base so as to make Gilman Springs Road to the north suddenly pointless except as access to the base?

    Too many "what ifs" I'm afraid. It also assumes that the local population are going to just let themselves be walked over. You saw the people waving petitions at the San Jacinto council meeting about the road closure. Do you think they are are gonna just sit by and let all this happen? Some of those people looked like they were ready to lay in front of bulldozers if need be.
  31. LarryBren Member

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    Nort Karno was a key attorney worked with by the Guardians Office US's legal bureau. I worked with him a lot when I was in GOUS but more like in the early 1970s. Although others worked with him in some years after that, Nort was not a key attorney in the setup of the above legal fictions. RTC, CSI, CST, CSFSO and CSWUS were all part of the late 1981/early 1982 corporate reorganization I have posted about and spoken about often in my ebook, affidavit, postings, radio shows and videos found on my blogspot below.

    I also personally saw to the setting up of CSRT and Nort had nothing to do with it. In fact we were bogged down with it and I flew up to Seattle and got Leon Misterix to redraft the entire CSRT document with a little help from a senior attorney in his firm - Meade Emory. Meade was the one I used in the next year to have meetings with senior IRS execs in DC. He was able to open some doors for organized scientology as he was a former IRS exec.

    The key attorneys on that corporate reorg/scam included Meade Emory, Leon Misterix, Sherman Lenske, Chris Cobb, Bob Harris, Jacob Aaravod (spelling??), Elwood Rickless, Larry May and others, all of which I worked with extensively.

    Anyway, there you have it. More details can be found on my below blogspot.
  32. RightOn Member

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    thanks Larry, for clearing that up, it was posted on the slatkin fraud page
    http://www.slatkinfraud.com/csrt.htm
  33. LarryBren Member

    Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

    Yes, that's cool. So many of the sites that speculate about the corporate structure, the controls, the reasons and the like are incorrect. Although many of them, like this one, do have some correct information. Some are wildly off base like the ones that speculate how ther IRS controls organized scientology through CST's "Special Director" attorneys (who had almost no real corporate power). Other sites, like the Chris Owen stuff have a very large amount of correct information but still are not 100% right. It's interesting to see how different people take it.
  34. J. Swift Member

    Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

    There are many what if's and that is why I asked for interested parties to help. There are several elements and factions at work in this little area of giant Riverside County:

    1. Scientology's Gold Base

    2. The Sobaba Tribe's attempt to annex 500 acres of Riverside county land to enlarge its casino: Soboba Indian tribe proposal to annex 500 acres for new casino-hotel has some San Jacinto residents worried — Stand Up California

    3. CoS' formal request to close the road: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/249-...ally-seeks-closure-gilman-springs-road-57860/

    4. Riverside Sheriff's opposition to the Sobaba Casino and its expansion. There was deadly shootout with police at the casino in 2008: Details emerge in Soboba shooting | Inland News | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California

    5. Sheriff Sniff of Riverside wants the Sobaba Casino closed: Shutter Soboba Casino, sheriff says | Inland News | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California

    6. The curious need of San Jacinto for an even northern boundary. This is where the story is strange and I am developing information related to the elements above.

    7. The real reasons that Gilman Springs Road might be closed may have very little to do with Scientology. Indeed, CoS may be "horse trading" to be the bad guy. Stone et. al. may be using CoS as much as CoS is using Stone et. al.

    8. What happens in 2010/2011 was planned much earlier and could be rolled out in phases. There are public dox I am studying, but what is on record for the public vs what goes on in closed session, or by handshake, are three different things.

    9. Larry B. is always correct: Norton Karno is an attorney and real estate investor who is unrelated to CoS legal affairs. He is only of peripheral interest now because a mobile home park is mentioned in the annex. Of course, Karno was the executor of LRH's Estate in the 1979 Will. Karno got yanked in the later LRH wills in favor of Norman Starkey. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norton_S._Karno

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  35. Sponge Member

  36. Scintellanon Member

    Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

    Here is information on "Annexation 77" for the Country Lakes MHP property in question:

    Riverside Local Agency Formation Commission - 2010

    [Click February 26]
    pdf = http://www.lafco.org/opencms/monthly_hearings/agenda/pdf/2009/2-26-09_Agenda-web.pdf

    LAFCO
    Monthly Hearings
    Agenda/Staff Reports

    5. RECEIVE AND FILE:
    a. Information Items: Proposals Received (Government Code Section 56857,
    56751):
    LAFCO 2009-01-3-Reorganization to Include Annexation 77 (Country Lake /
    i.
    San Jacinto Av.) to the City of San Jacinto and Detachments from the
    City of San Jacinto and the Riverside County Waste Resources Management
    District.

    [click on the blue box] =

    5.a.
    2/26/2009

    PUBLIC NOTICE
    MEETING OF THE RIVERSIDE
    LOCAL AGENCY FORMATION COMMISSION
    Thursday, February 26, 2009


    i. LAFCO 2009-01-3 Reorganization to Include Annexation 77 (Country
    Lake/San Jacinto Ave.) to the City of San Jacinto and Concurrent
    Detachments from the City of San Jacinto and the Riverside County
    Waste Resources Management District: Parcel “A” (Country Lakes
    Mobile Home Park—203 ac.) is generally located south of Soboba Rd.,
    east of State St., north of Quandt Ranch Rd., and west of
    Alessandro Ave. See Thomas Bros. 2009 Riverside County map book
    page 781, grid A-4. Parcel “B” (480 ac.) is generally located south
    of San Jacinto River, east of San Jacinto Ave., north of Main St.,
    and west of Ramona Expressway. See Thomas Bros. 2009 Riverside
    County map book page 781, grid C-5. Parcel “C” (307 ac.) is a
    detachment generally located north of Soboba Rd. See Thomas Bros.
    2009 Riverside County map book page 781, grid A-4. It is estimated
    that this proposal will be on the May 28, 2009 agenda.

    Annexation77.jpg

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    The number of acres owned by the co$, as used in articles has been "500."
    I had heard at one time that they own the acreage from state street over to sanderson
    all the way to the San Jacinto River. This property appears to be in that acreage?

    Hard to tell. Here's an old article that suggested there was no plat for the property -
    From the media article: Scientology at Gilman: Hubbard said at ex-resort, defector speaks out - Riverside Press
    "County records show Gilman Hot Springs, the adjoining
    Massacre Canyon Inn and a 27-hole golf course are owned
    by a secret private land trust called the "November 1, 1978
    Private Trust." The trustee is listed as Palm Springs real
    estate broker George Hoag...A check with the County Planning Commission showed
    no subdivision maps for the Gilman property on file,
    according to County Planner Keith Downs. A subdivision
    map must be filed before the county approves land
    development...In a telephone interview Thursday, Cook, or Pook,
    denied telling the Park District that the map had been
    filed. "

    Reference 520 acres:
    From: A Piece Of Blue Sky - Part 6, Chapter 2: The Rise of the Messengers
    John Atack, 'Piece of Blue Sky:'

    "In September 1978, a confidential telex ordered Mayo to quit Florida immediately for Los Angeles...Mayo was told that Hubbard was very ill ...While recovering, Hubbard approved the purchase of the Massacre Canyon Inn resort complex at Gilman Hot Springs (right). There were several buildings, including a motel and a hotel, set in 520 acres and including a twenty-seven-hole golf course. The property was about forty miles from La Quinta, near the small town of Hemet. The purchase price was $2.7 million ..

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    [[After looking at the map, the Country Lakes MHP is on the other side of State Street. It looks rather unimproved. I can say that the cult uses a little access road off of State Street, on this property to
    position cars that watch protestors. I have seen cars parked on that property; one red car comes to mind - later came to photograph a few protestors a couple years ago - was parked on the property. This does not speak of ownership I know....fwiw.
  37. DeathHamster Member

    Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

    See also:
    It would be kind of lulzy if it was still active:
  38. J. Swift Member

    Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

    For some background and context on the bad blood between Jeff Stone/Sheriff Sniff and the Soboba Tribe, please see: Operation Clambake Message Board :: View topic - Supervisor Jeff Stone at War with the Soboba Indian Tribe

    Understanding the context reveals that a seemingly trivial land annex is at the center of certain politically explosive issues in Riverside County. The proposed annex is actually a land swap between San Jacinto and Riverside County. This land swap gives Jeff Stone & Company control over the land the Soboba's want to annex in order to expand their casino. If Stone & Company control the land, they can deny annexation and expansion in order to favor the Pechanga Casino. Alternately, Stone & Company can approve annexation and expansion in trade for a cut of the action in the form of taxes for a cash-strapped Riverside County. The land that Riverside County gets from San Jacinto is shown on the map below in yellow with black dots on it. This land will be "detached" from City and deeded to the County. The land that San Jacinto gets from Riverside County is shown below in white with diagonal lines.

    Scenario: The land San Jacinto gets allegedly includes a large parcel of land that Scientology wants to purchase and build on once it becomes part of San Jacinto. Under this scenario, Scientology can berth people in new buildings on this parcel and establish them as legal residents of San Jacinto. The new berthing would free Gold Base from its reliance on local apartments from which many SO have blown. If Scientology can close Gilman Springs Road next to new berthing, it gets its isolated gulag: SO are bussed only a very short distance from berthing to base, presumably on State St. and then onto the Cult's private stretch of GSR. A closed road eliminates people blowing and gets rid of protesters. New berthing further allows SO to become active voters in San Jacinto politics.

    SJ7.png

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  39. muldrake Member

    Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

    I am the author of the quoted text from slatkinfraud.com

    However, I find Larry's narrative of the events quite well-founded and credible, and would defer to his descriptions of how the corporate structure of Scientology came to be. At the time I wrote my mix of facts and (well-marked) speculations, there was no insider speaking in detail about these events.

    Thanks, Larry.
  40. J. Swift Member

    Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

    There is a strange story playing out on the San Jacinto Annex/Gold Base Road Closure/Soboba Annex issues. The request for the San Jacinto annex was given to the Riverside Local Agency Formation Commission (LAFCO) in February 2009; the matter was expected to be heard in May 2009. However, a series of delays ensued. There is a suspect story that the delay was due to residents of the mobile home park being concerned about their rent control being affected in the annex. San Jacinto asks for annexation hearing to be postponed | Riverside County | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California

    Monday, November 30, 2009

    By GAIL WESSON
    The Press-Enterprise

    A public hearing on a proposal to annex about 500 acres to even out the northern boundary of San Jacinto may be postponed from Thursday to February.

    The city requested a delay to finalize details of a rent control agreement with owners of Country Lake Mobile Home Park, which would be included in the annexation, according to a Riverside Local Agency Formation Commission staff report.

    A report by commission staff recommends the hearing be put on the commission's Feb. 25 meeting agenda.

    During a community outreach meeting at the mobile home park in March, many residents voiced concerns about rent control, which they have while living in unincorporated Riverside County. The city does not have rent control.


    This matter seems strange. Riverside County waived the requirement for San Jacinto to submit an Environmental Impact Report for the proposed annex. It would be a simple matter for San Jacinto to grandfather in rent control for the affected trailer park and be done with it. This looks like a shore story. IMO, the real action causing the delayed annex was Stone and Pacheco nuking their political enemies so Stone and Company could call all the shots once the annex was approved.

    1. Robert Salgado, the leader of the Soboba Band of Luiseño Indians, was arrested by the FBI in November 2009. Jeff Stone and Sheriff Sniff called for Salgado's ouster in 2009.

    ref: Original Pechanga's Blog: Soboba Chairman Robert Salgado RELIEVED OF DUTIES Following ARREST

    2. Four of the five San Jacinto City Council members were indicted by Rod Pacheco in the same month as Salgado was arrested:

    3. Some seasoned political watchers expressed surprised that San Jacinto City Council members were indicted as opposed to facing administrative actions as happened in the past:

    ref: Good Bye 2009- Hello 2010

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