Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road recent pics: 2010_Jan16_GoldBaseDryCreekBed pictures by RonRules - Photobucket I'm wondering if they are attempting to channel floodwaters into the highway? I guess we'll know this week...
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road wow great stuff Jeff. what is the picture of that building with the ton of missing roof shingles? I think it is number 88. What a dump. What is that used for?
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road Something definitely isn't right from looking at those pictures. In a few of them, it looks like the earth is graded toward the road, not away from it. And what do they need such a large trencher for? Those are for burying pipe, electrical lines, phone lines, cable lines, etc., not planting things. And don't they have to have some type of special permission for interfering with a natural waterway, such as the dry creek bed, particularly when it appears that it is outside the confines of the barbed fence, ie. not their property?
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road I don't know where you're from, but property is USUALLY graded toward a road (and the road is designed with gutters and additional downhill grading to channel runoff). I mean, seriously... do you expect them to grade their property so that water runs onto it instead of away from it? I also don't see anything at all exciting about the trencher the contractor is using. The thing is fucking tiny. If I were laying sprinkler piping over such a large area I'd be using a trencher of this size too. Loosen your tinfoil. Hitting them about the permit violations: good. Seeing evil and crazy everywhere: bad. Makes you sound like a Scilon.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road I didn't take the pics. Jan16_10; Scientology Gold Base landscaping continues after stop work; Dry river bed hides what? Jan16_10; Gold Base's military (the Sea Org) clear out and hides when I show up! Jan16_10; Scientology's Gold Base; Driving south on Gilman Springs to see landscaping & sprinklers: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5CbYxb5-30"]YouTube- Jan16_10; Scientology's Gold Base; Driving south on Gilman Springs to see landscaping & sprinklers[/ame] Jan16_10; Scientology Gold Base, driving north inspecting new sprinker installation. Great job DM! [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlBVlAp-BlA"]YouTube- Jan16_10; Scientology Gold Base, driving north inspecting new sprinker installation. Great job DM![/ame] nor the vids. 88 is I think on Sublett Road east of Gold, next to the golf course. Last time I was by there it looked like they were just letting those houses deteriorate.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road Property with drainage ditches or "dry creek beds" are not graded toward the road. And I expect them to come up with their ideas on whiteboards with dry erase markers in really cool colors with Davey occasionally throwing a punch, so I'm really not expecting them to do anything that actually involves intelligence without a good dose of simple stupidity, fraud and/or con. Good point on the trencher for the sprinkler system. I totally missed that and shouldn't have. I was in utility mode I guess. Since sprinkler's aren't as deep as utilities, locates don't have to be done. Or do they? Is the county is ok with stuff like that impeding the easement?
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road this dude needs a different hobbie. i like his passion , but being the landscaping police hasnt really worked out for him so far. try stamps man.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road The subject of the cult's Gilman Springs Road closure proposal came up again briefly today in this article from the Valley Chronicle on San Jacinto councilman candidate Wes Ingle.... 22nd Oct 2010 The Valley Chronicle > News Well said that man. I don't know if there has been any further developments or whether this is just some candidate speaking about past unresolved issues that got widepsread local attention.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road The cult continues to press the proposal. The politicians have all said that they would consider it if the cult puts its money where its mouth is, and pay for it. It would only set the cult back in excess of $60 million.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road shouldn't be a problem with the tens of billions of members they claim to have right? right?? oh
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road Update, "Don't Close the High Road." Don't close the high road | Bob Pratte | Columns | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road It was a stormy night when somewhere in Gilman Hot Springs a scientologist, perhaps tiny David Miscavige himself, was heard to mutter under his breath, why won't they close that damn road and Anonymous heard and stirred ready for action...
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road C'mon, be nice. Xenubarb is really, really old.. but we love her.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road The proposal now linked from the front page of Hollywood Scientology Investigator Angry Gay Pope omits one important consideration. If Gilman Hot Springs Road is to be realigned as shown in a map proposal, Building Management Services (or another cult-linked entity) would be obligated to purchase the land (or rights to build on the land), through the parcels located South of the flood control channel to build the bridge and extend a new road connection to State Street. Who owns these lots? Could AO or another researcher contact those land owners, and inquire if they have been approached by the cult (or are they aware of the abuses they would be acting to support, if they sold their land or right to it)? Is there an active effort now, to re-zone and subdivide those parcels?
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road Some of the Assessor Parcel Numbers located to the South of the Flood Channel/River (that seem to be where a "new" road would be) are shown as #430160001 (Owner is at 2617 Stingle Ave, Rosemead CA 91770, $1.9 million value) #430190025 (Owner is at 38980 Record Road, San Jacinto CA 92583, $1.7 million value), and possibly #430210001 (Owner also at 38980 Record Rd, $47,268 value) #430210014 (Owner is at P O Box 54153, Los Angeles CA 90054, "non-assessable").
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road In response to the request, a quick internet search indicates of the listed parcels: #430160001 (Owner is at 2617 Stingle Ave, Rosemead CA 91770, $1.9 million value) Above address on Stingle is an auto-repair facility. #430190025 and #430210001(Owner is at 38980 Record Road, San Jacinto CA 92583, $1.7 million value and $47,268 value, respectively) Above address on Record Road appears related to a dairy. #430210014 (Owner is at P O Box 54153, Los Angeles CA 90054, "non-assessable"). Above address is the Metropolitan Water District. The significance of the MWD (big agency headquartered in downtown Los Angeles), is that would mandate Public Hearings that are NOT CORRUPTED BY RIVERSIDE COUNTY OFFICIALS.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road AGPs website invites replies objecting to the Gilman Hot Springs Road realignment away from Gold Base, to be forwarded to the correct official Tamara Harrison Urban Regional Planner IV 4080 Lemon St, 12th floor Riverside, CA 92502-1409 tharriso@rctlma.org The effective deadline is no later than 4PM Monday November 1, 2010 (allowing time for copies to be circulated at the Nov 3rd meeting).
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road A view of the proposed location for a road realignment, south of Gold Base. Highlighted parcels labelled with Riverside County Assessor Parcel Numbers are owned by others (who should be warned, that a well-financed and violent cult will target them to cut a deal). <a target='GoldBaseRoadMap' title='ImageShack - Image And Video Hosting' href='http://img8.imageshack.us/i/goldbaseroadcolormap2.jpg/'><img src='http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5619/goldbaseroadcolormap2.jpg' border='0'/></a> <a target='_blank' href='http://img8.imageshack.us/i/goldbaseroadcolormap2.jpg/'><img src='http://img8.imageshack.us/img8/5619/goldbaseroadcolormap2.th.jpg' border='0'/></a>
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Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road SAN JACINTO: Gilman Springs route may be studied | Local News | PE.com | News for Inland Southern California | 1st Nov 2010 Comments open. see also this thread: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/249-goldbase/how-protest-gold-base-road-realignment-72989/
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road So, would the cost be pushing near $100 million? (Just wondering what it would cost the cult)
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road SAN JACINTO: Study of Gilman Springs Road realignment favored | Local News | PE.com | Southern California News | News for Inland Southern California
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road Referred For Study. What a polite way of putting a Somebody Else's Problem field around the issue. Let's hope the idea is quietly dropped.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road The application is also a classic use of mis-direction. Doing a study of re-alignment, delays and avoids the immediate need for Gold Base to do what it is legally obligated to do: Excavate and complete 4-lanes (plus sidewalks) where the road is now. Any private firm providing comparative cost estimates for road re-alignment, should be ordered by Riverside County planners to also include a 4-lane expansion of the existing section of Gilman Hot Springs Road within the options of their study. This will detail how not moving the road (not buying land, not building another bridge) will prove to be the most feasible approach. In the meantime, neighboring property owners need to be informed and personally warned of their status. They are now, officially, the possessors of targets of acquisition, by a group which openly tells lies, has corrupted the local police and local government, and which is headed by a criminally-violent psychopath.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road I think there are some lulzier options. Given that David "Slappy" Miscavige wants the road change, and the staff-beating cult dictator is in the habit of pushing relentlessly for what he wants without regard for how stupid or self-destructive that desire may be, I imagine that we can look forward to many months of entertainment and enturbulation opportunities thanks to this. Shitstorms are more likely than quiet droppings.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road Heh. Any Scientology funded "study" is bound to be misleading. "Aww, Barb, how can you say that? You're just speculating, and about to become infractious." After the debacle with AO at Gold, the Orange One went on a quest for historical surveys of the area, and funded one himself, as did Scientology. AO found a 20 year old survey record on file, done by a company called Webb. Scientology hired Webb to conduct a survey. AO hired a different company to conduct a survey. Final tally was: 20 year old Webb survey: We were 5 feet on the good side of the property line. AO's contemporary survey: put us 4 feet on the good side. Webb's Scientology survey put us over 15 ft. on the bad side of the property line. Any study performed by contractors hired by Scientology should be double-checked for accuracy before any further decisions are made. Apparently the Riverside PE has backed off on articles critical of Scientology. Their recent work on the issue of road closure fails to mention that the Tiny Tyrant is behind this, and that closing the road would be a terrible blow to the people trapped behind the fences. AO wondered why Temecula councilman and cult stooge Mike Nagger was at the BOS meeting when road closure was discussed last week. There was an interesting comment posted on the Riverside PE website: This horribly written missive has drawn attention to this allegation. If it can be confirmed with dox, the dox shall be found. In other Riverside/Gold Base news, the polls were moved from Golden Era Productions on Gold Base property, to the Golden Era golf course, nominally public property but still owned by the cult. Also, the Gilligans Island shacks which were supposed to be torn down by Sept. 2 are still up, and quietly deteriorating.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road The Bad news: Study approved concerning closing the road. The Good news: scientology is paying for the study, and would probably have to pay for a new road, if one were even approved. The Valley Chronicle > News
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road Uh, what if AO's guy got it wrong? Did you ever think of that? What if they're both wrong? Of course not. Scientology is evil right? They must by lying!
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road County planners OK Gilman Springs Road study NEW ROUTE?: Commissioner says it’s not likely road will be closed to public. By CHARLES HAND/The Valley Chronicle Published: Thursday, November 11, 2010 9:40 AM PST Riverside County Planning Commissioner John Petty said this week not to read too much into the recent approval of a Gilman Springs Road study, even if the Church of Scientology is billing it as the first step on the road to removing the route from the county’s general plan. The Church of Scientology owns the film-making studio Golden Era Productions, which sits on both sides of Gilman Springs Road. The commission’s approval means nothing to the eventual decision on whether the general plan will be amended and it is unlikely the request will be granted even if it reaches the Board of Supervisors, Petty said. Last week’s action did little more than acknowledge the existence of the Scientologists’ desire to conduct a study, at the organization’s expense, of the feasibility of removing the route from the general plan, said Petty. Even if that were to happen, the road would not be closed, he said. Another round of hearings would be required to abandon the road after it was removed from the general plan. And that, said Petty, is not likely to happen. Neither he, as the third district representative to the commission, nor third district Supervisor Jeff Stone, who appointed Petty to his seat, is likely to support the general plan amendment, let alone closure of the road, he said. Both have publicly said several times that the road could not be closed in the absence an alternative route, an alternative that would have to be paid for by the Church of Scientology. Petty said he has spoken with Stone on the issue and that Stone has affirmed his position that Gilman Springs will not be abandoned unless someone other than taxpayers provides an alternative route at least as good as the existing one. “If the Scientologists want to spend a lot of money to study all kinds of things, that’s their business,” Petty said. “We already have a road,” he said. Petty said he does not believe any taxpayer money should be used to build an alternative stretch of road. Golden Era has portrayed the road as unsafe. Petty said he has never seen a study indicating the road is the site of any more accidents than any similar road. Attempts to win San Jacinto City Council backing for an alternative to the road have been unsuccessful, leading to a council resolution opposing abandonment of the road. Petty said he believes construction of an alternative road would cost $20 million to $30 million. Not that there is a place to put one anyway. It could not be run along the San Jacinto River bed, he said, and there is little property available between Gilman Springs and Ramona Expressway for a new road. Much of the land south of Gilman Springs Road is within San Jacinto’s Gateway project, a proposed mixed-use development of about 1,700 acres. Gilman Springs picks up traffic headed south from Highway 60 into the San Jacinto Valley, and siphons off some southbound traffic from Highway 79, Lamb Canyon. Even if Scientologists were to eventually build an alternative road and have Gilman Springs removed from the county road system, it would have to be maintained as a road so it could be reopened in an emergency, said Petty.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road Two measurements within a foot of each other verses one measurement 20 foot away. Hmm. Imma say the 20 foot away measurement is the outlier and therefore less likely to be correct. Troll with more funneh stuff plz.
Re: Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road C'mon - desperate troll is desperate. Slappy's probably personally threatening troll to get stats up or else. Cut troll slack, eh?
