Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

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  1. 00anon00 Member

    Post Gilman Road fire dangers

    Post-Fire Erosion 'Always' a Concern

    The blackened, 945-acre Gilman Fire burned area is 'all watershed,' Cal Fire-Riverside County Chief John R. Hawkins said Tuesday afternoon. The next downpour on charred slopes could affect the 60 and Gilman Springs Road.

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    Post-fire erosion will be a concern in and below the 945-acre Gilman Fire burned area, Cal Fire-Riverside County Chief John R. Hawkins said Tuesday, Aug. 9, 2011. The next hard rain could impact the 60 Freeway and Gilman Springs Road. Credit Guy McCarthy

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    The Gilman Fire is out but the next hard rain on more than 900 acres of blackened hillsides in the Badlands could unleash erosion more damaging than the blaze itself.
    Most of the burned slopes face away from the 60 Freeway. Nearly all of the burned area is charged and aimed downhill towards Gilman Springs Road.
    "It's all watershed," Cal Fire-Riverside County Chief John R. Hawkins said Tuesday afternoon, standing next to the eastbound 60 before he went into the burned area. "The dirt all runs downhill if it rains, if we have a heavy rain.

    Asked whether there is concern for erosion impacting the 60, Hawkins looked at the burned slopes facing the freeway and did not hesitate.
    "Oh there's a risk here, there's a risk of dirt coming down off the hill here, absolutely there's a risk," Hawkins said. "Here the watershed is pretty short, where it can make its run and move dirt, but it can be very dangerous."

    Hawkins took a shovel with him and used it for balance on the steep, unstable slopes.
    When he returned, Hawkins remarked on erosion already evident on the black hillsides.
    "This is dry erosion, which is just the weight coming down the hill, pushing the dirt," Hawkins said. "You take that dry erosion and you couple it with moisture, it lubricates the granules of dirt and the hillside can come down."
    The cause of the Gilman Fire remained under investigation on Tuesday, a Cal Fire spokeswoman said.

    Suppression costs were determined to be $479,000, Cheri Patterson of Cal Fire-Riverside County said.
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  2. The Wrong Guy Member

    Gilman Springs Road to close for 18 days | The Desert Sun

    July. 8, 2013

    A heavily used corridor through the San Jacinto Valley will be shut down for a multi-phase project that begins later this month, requiring motorists to find an alternate route of travel, Riverside County officials said Monday.

    The $21 million Gilman Springs Road Safety Improvement Project gets underway on July 22. According to the county Department of Transportation, the initial phase of the work will continue until Aug. 9, during which time commuters will not have access to the artery.

    An estimated 14,000 cars traverse Gilman Springs daily, said Department of Transportation spokeswoman Patricia Romo.

    The two-lane road provides direct access to the Golden Era compound run by the Church of Scientology and also serves as the primary southbound route leading to Mount San Jacinto College and one of the northbound routes to Beaumont and Moreno Valley.

    The safety improvement project will entail resurfacing large sections of Gilman Springs, widening shoulders and curbs, adding passing lanes and enhancing centerline striping.


    The project is 51 percent funded by state gasoline excise tax revenue, 45 percent from Proposition 1B state bond sales receipts and roughly 4 percent from a direct $80,000 contribution supplied by Golden Era, according to Romo.
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  3. Jeff Jacobsen Member

    2 good things here;

    1) safer for protesters!
    2) so much for DM wanting to close that highway :)
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  4. wolfbane Member

    Nice! And I see potential here for other good things...

    AnonOrange alleged that the cult encroached on property that was not theirs by putting up fences/borders that didn't align with official property lines. As they widen the road, if those allegations were correct than things should hopefully get pushed back to where they belong. The thought of this project possibly making them move fences pleases me to no end.

    And speaking of fences - just imagine the number of road construction workers and local officials who will be exposed to the sight of the inward facing barbs, roadside security cams, etc. Surely those things will raise a few eyebrows if not cause a few "WTF?" moments.

    Also - motion detectors! They do not mix well with heavy equipment and jack hammers tearing up the ground. Is it too much to hope for that a possible security system lapse at Int Base might be expected when they have to temporarily disable their motion detectors? I think not.

    Plus, what about scheduled power outages. Those are not unusual when power lines are run underground and major reconstruction effort is afoot. More room for security system lapses? Ohhh how I hope so.

    Where there is a lapse, there is potential for a security breech that could allow someone to blow. The thought of someone taking off in the midst of major road construction, when there are lots of outsiders around to witness the recapture attempt, amuses me to no end.

    And lets not forget that tunnel under the road that connects the two sides of the cult compound. That should make for a nice PITA the road crews will have to work around.
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  5. moarxenu Member

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  6. Anonymous Member

    Couldn't hurt to inform the road crew what they mind find and how they can help.
  7. DeathHamster Member

    Not just AnonOrange. It is pretty clear that they encroached on the width of the highway's right-of-way. They will probably have to move the flowers, sprinklers and guardhouse. Also, won't the tunnels under the highway have to closed during construction?

    Hopefully there will be aerial before and after pictures.

    CoS: We want the highway closed.
    County: Okay, but then we're going to widen it with shoulders and passing lanes and reopen with even more traffic.
    CoS: DOH!
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  9. wolfbane Member

    I was wondering the same thing.
  10. Anonymous Member

    Not if they are secret tunnels
  11. Anonymous Member

    Why would they contribute to a project they initially were against? Must be some benefit in it for them.
  12. Anonymous Member

    My guess is they paid to have some of their structures ie tunnels protected during the construction, so it was not a donation it's basically a special assessment
  13. Major Boyle Member

    Poons to the construction firms and local government. Are they aware of the tunnel? Could putting heavy construction equipment over the tunnels risk collapse? Did the cult, in fact, get proper authorization to put in the tunnel? Maybe the media could be asked these questions, in the interests of putting a cultish spin on a public works project?
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  14. Anonymous Member

    I am so glad chanology has something with sekrit tunnels.
  15. Aren't the blueprints to GoldBase a matter of public record?
    I mean, you don't think that Scientologists ('mere wog law') would violate local ordinances by doing clandestine construction at their super-secret international HQ... do ya?
  16. Anonymous Member

    At least some part of California have laws such that if construction is done without a permit, it has to be caught by officials within something like seven years otherwise they have to let it slide.

    And its not like any officials ever get into Gold Base.

    However, that may not apply to tunnelling under public land.
  17. Anonymous Member
    This is another tunnel nearby

    It looks like the excess land from the project could be sold off after the tunnel was built. Did this happen?
  18. DeathHamster Member

  19. The location of one tunnel is well known (photo below by the cafeteria). Where is the second tunnel?
  20. dbloch7986 Member

    Any word on what's happening with the project?
    San Jacinto City Council agrees never to close Gilman Springs Road
    "The possible closing of Gilman Springs Road has been suggested by the leaders of the Church of Scientology in past years and has gained support from a few former residents who feared the secretive organization was engaged in alleged criminal activities, according to one of the speakers.

    All closure requests have been denied. The religious group has a tunnel underneath the roadway they use to access their property on both sides of the highway and has helped make some improvements at the Church of Scientology-owned Golden Era Golf Course, according to public records."
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  23. DeathHamster Member

    Big deal. CoS and some patsy will be back again in a few years.

    Council doesn't support closing Gilman Springs Road September 3, 2009, Gail Wesson, Press-Enterprise
  24. The Wrong Guy Member

    Road no one asked to close will stay open in San Jacinto

    By Craig Shultz, The Press-Enterprise, November 25, 2017


    The San Jacinto City Council voted unanimously this month to keep Gilman Springs Road open north of the city — not that anyone asked for it to be closed or that the city has the power to do so.

    The ordeal started when Councilman Andrew Kotyuk said he wanted to discuss transportation issues on the road following a crash there that seriously injured city volunteer Lynn Peterson and in light of a new Soboba Casino and hotel that is being built nearby, which will bring more traffic through the city.

    So an item was placed on the Nov. 7 agenda reading “Gilman Springs Road Closure / Discussion Only / Councilman Andrew Kotyuk.”

    Next Mayor Scott Miller posted an item on Facebook reading: “Should Gilman Springs Road going through Golden Era be closed?”

    The posting drew almost 400 reactions, shares and comments and led to full council chambers for the Nov. 7 meeting.

    Many of those present were adamantly against closing the road, which is one of two major roads into and out of San Jacinto from the north and bisects the Church of Scientology operated Golden Era Productions facility.
    Kotyuk said he never suggested the road be closed.

    “It got twisted into something it wasn’t supposed to be,” he said Wednesday, Nov. 22. “It’s been a safety issue.”
    Ultimately, the council, behind a motion made by Kotyuk, voted against closing the road.

    Miller said it’s his job as mayor to bring forward any issue one of his colleagues wants to be discussed.

    “Just because we’re going to have this discussion doesn’t mean we’re for or against it,” he said Wednesday. “You have to be able to get the message out and I think social media is a good way to do it.”

    But, he is against blocking off Gilman Springs Road.

    “Every road has safety issues,” he said. “If we were going to close roads because of safety issues it would never end. We’d be closing roads everywhere.”

    Gilman Springs Road near San Jacinto is a winding 2.3-mile stretch between State Street and Highway 79. Motorists can travel north on Lamb Canyon to the 10 Freeway in Beaumont or continue west to the 60 Freeway in Moreno Valley.

    Both portions of the road have undergone recent upgrades in an effort to make them safer.

    The Church of Scientology had advocated closing the road since about 2004, saying traffic noise disrupts its productions, but the City Council unanimously came out against that plan in 2009 and sessions scheduled in 2011 to discuss realigning the road never materialized.

    Any effort to close the road would be out of the city’s hands because it’s in an unincorporated area and operated by Riverside County.

    But Miller said that doesn’t mean San Jacinto shouldn’t have a say.

    “People need to realize when you have a regional impact,” he said. “If that road … was to close, it would greatly impact arteries within the city. That road has a regional impact, that’s why it shouldn’t close.”

  25. Quentinanon Member

    "The Church of Scientology had advocated closing the road since about 2004, saying traffic noise disrupts its productions"

    Then GTFO!
  26. DeathHamster Member

    I guess that's why they haven't started production at SMP: Too much noise! Close LA!
  27. The Wrong Guy Member

    Louis Theroux’s showdown with Scientology over a public road: The nutty new chapter

    By Tony Ortega, December 15, 2017


    One of the best things about Louis Theroux’s funny 2015 film, My Scientology Movie, was how unflappably polite he was while he argued with Sea Org official Catherine Fraser over a frontage road at Scientology’s secretive “Int Base” and whether it was a public street or not.

    A couple of times, Theroux visited the base during the movie, one time with former Sea Org worker Marc Headley, another time with actor Andrew Perez. When Theroux tried to get some footage by parking on the frontage lane — called Sublette Road — Fraser insisted that he was on private property and tried to get him to leave.

    It’s Theroux’s manner, of course, which makes it such a great comedic moment, but also the apoplectic Scientologists, who hate having a camera crew so close to their property.

    So important is the battle to the film, the very last thing you see in the movie is a statement on screen: “It is a public road.”

    Well, we have some new evidence that the Church of Scientology was so incensed over the embarrassment it suffered at the hands of Theroux, it has taken some extraordinary steps to make sure it never happens again.

    And for that, we once again must thank Erin Hodges Plumb, the Underground Bunker reader who has visited several Scientology locations recently, with hilarious results.

    In this case, Erin had been talking to some protesters who were planning to demonstrate at Int Base, and were counting on being able to park at Sublette Road. But then, Erin herself drove by the base, and was surprised to see that Sublette Road has been torn up, and that some of the houses that lined it have been demolished.


    She also noted that a metal bar has been set up closing off the road from the highway at the spot where Louis Theroux had filmed his scenes.

    Curious about what was up, she called the county, which confirmed that Scientology is removing the houses, and so they’ve been able to turn Sublette Road private.

    “They told me the road is no longer even on county maps,” Erin tells us. The same was true for another small road on the other side of the highway, Country Club Drive. Take that, Theroux!

    Amazed that Scientology would go to such lengths to turn a minor road private, we asked Marc Headley for his thoughts.

    “I think Claire and I lived in at least four different houses along Sublette Road during our time there,” he says. He and his wife Claire escaped from the base in 2005. (You can read all about it in Marc’s excellent 2009 book, Blown for Good. At his website, every copy he sells is signed by both Marc and Claire.)

    “All of these houses were older houses but none of them were abandoned up until 2005. During the late 1990’s and 2000’s, they were buying up all of those houses for way over the market value in order to motivate the owners to sell. I would say they spent at least $15 million buying up all those houses on Sublette Road and Country Club Drive. And don’t forget, they also bought the trailer park next to the golf course club house.”

    Marc pointed out which of the houses he had lived in when he made his escape. He says it’s a hole in the ground now.

    “I think that they’re trying to build a buffer around the Int Base property, and the incident with Louis and myself is being used as a reason for Dave Miscavige not to come back to the Int Base,” he says, referring to recent news that Miscavige has not been at the base in four years.

    “Dave Miscavige used to do that all the time while we were there. He would make up imaginary reasons why certain things could or could not be done and then levy punishments or threaten punishments for these things not getting done. A list of these things would then be issued to the crew and everyone would lose their minds trying to get these things done over a period of weeks or months. I’d bet big money that Sublette road getting closed was on that list and getting all those houses removed is also listed,” Headley says.

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