Church officially seeks closure - Gilman Springs Road

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  1. 00anon00 Member

    Post Gilman Road fire dangers

    Post-Fire Erosion 'Always' a Concern

    The blackened, 945-acre Gilman Fire burned area is 'all watershed,' Cal Fire-Riverside County Chief John R. Hawkins said Tuesday afternoon. The next downpour on charred slopes could affect the 60 and Gilman Springs Road.

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    Post-fire erosion will be a concern in and below the 945-acre Gilman Fire burned area, Cal Fire-Riverside County Chief John R. Hawkins said Tuesday, Aug. 9, 2011. The next hard rain could impact the 60 Freeway and Gilman Springs Road. Credit Guy McCarthy

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    The Gilman Fire is out but the next hard rain on more than 900 acres of blackened hillsides in the Badlands could unleash erosion more damaging than the blaze itself.
    Most of the burned slopes face away from the 60 Freeway. Nearly all of the burned area is charged and aimed downhill towards Gilman Springs Road.
    "It's all watershed," Cal Fire-Riverside County Chief John R. Hawkins said Tuesday afternoon, standing next to the eastbound 60 before he went into the burned area. "The dirt all runs downhill if it rains, if we have a heavy rain.

    Asked whether there is concern for erosion impacting the 60, Hawkins looked at the burned slopes facing the freeway and did not hesitate.
    "Oh there's a risk here, there's a risk of dirt coming down off the hill here, absolutely there's a risk," Hawkins said. "Here the watershed is pretty short, where it can make its run and move dirt, but it can be very dangerous."

    Hawkins took a shovel with him and used it for balance on the steep, unstable slopes.
    When he returned, Hawkins remarked on erosion already evident on the black hillsides.
    "This is dry erosion, which is just the weight coming down the hill, pushing the dirt," Hawkins said. "You take that dry erosion and you couple it with moisture, it lubricates the granules of dirt and the hillside can come down."
    The cause of the Gilman Fire remained under investigation on Tuesday, a Cal Fire spokeswoman said.

    Suppression costs were determined to be $479,000, Cheri Patterson of Cal Fire-Riverside County said.
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  2. The Wrong Guy Member

    Gilman Springs Road to close for 18 days | The Desert Sun

    July. 8, 2013

    A heavily used corridor through the San Jacinto Valley will be shut down for a multi-phase project that begins later this month, requiring motorists to find an alternate route of travel, Riverside County officials said Monday.

    The $21 million Gilman Springs Road Safety Improvement Project gets underway on July 22. According to the county Department of Transportation, the initial phase of the work will continue until Aug. 9, during which time commuters will not have access to the artery.

    An estimated 14,000 cars traverse Gilman Springs daily, said Department of Transportation spokeswoman Patricia Romo.

    The two-lane road provides direct access to the Golden Era compound run by the Church of Scientology and also serves as the primary southbound route leading to Mount San Jacinto College and one of the northbound routes to Beaumont and Moreno Valley.

    The safety improvement project will entail resurfacing large sections of Gilman Springs, widening shoulders and curbs, adding passing lanes and enhancing centerline striping.


    The project is 51 percent funded by state gasoline excise tax revenue, 45 percent from Proposition 1B state bond sales receipts and roughly 4 percent from a direct $80,000 contribution supplied by Golden Era, according to Romo.
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  3. Jeff Jacobsen Member

    2 good things here;

    1) safer for protesters!
    2) so much for DM wanting to close that highway :)
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  4. wolfbane Member

    Nice! And I see potential here for other good things...

    AnonOrange alleged that the cult encroached on property that was not theirs by putting up fences/borders that didn't align with official property lines. As they widen the road, if those allegations were correct than things should hopefully get pushed back to where they belong. The thought of this project possibly making them move fences pleases me to no end.

    And speaking of fences - just imagine the number of road construction workers and local officials who will be exposed to the sight of the inward facing barbs, roadside security cams, etc. Surely those things will raise a few eyebrows if not cause a few "WTF?" moments.

    Also - motion detectors! They do not mix well with heavy equipment and jack hammers tearing up the ground. Is it too much to hope for that a possible security system lapse at Int Base might be expected when they have to temporarily disable their motion detectors? I think not.

    Plus, what about scheduled power outages. Those are not unusual when power lines are run underground and major reconstruction effort is afoot. More room for security system lapses? Ohhh how I hope so.

    Where there is a lapse, there is potential for a security breech that could allow someone to blow. The thought of someone taking off in the midst of major road construction, when there are lots of outsiders around to witness the recapture attempt, amuses me to no end.

    And lets not forget that tunnel under the road that connects the two sides of the cult compound. That should make for a nice PITA the road crews will have to work around.
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  5. moarxenu Member

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  6. Anonymous Member

    Couldn't hurt to inform the road crew what they mind find and how they can help.
  7. DeathHamster Member

    Not just AnonOrange. It is pretty clear that they encroached on the width of the highway's right-of-way. They will probably have to move the flowers, sprinklers and guardhouse. Also, won't the tunnels under the highway have to closed during construction?

    Hopefully there will be aerial before and after pictures.

    CoS: We want the highway closed.
    County: Okay, but then we're going to widen it with shoulders and passing lanes and reopen with even more traffic.
    CoS: DOH!
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  9. wolfbane Member

    I was wondering the same thing.
  10. Anonymous Member

    Not if they are secret tunnels
  11. Anonymous Member

    Why would they contribute to a project they initially were against? Must be some benefit in it for them.
  12. Anonymous Member

    My guess is they paid to have some of their structures ie tunnels protected during the construction, so it was not a donation it's basically a special assessment
  13. Major Boyle Member

    Poons to the construction firms and local government. Are they aware of the tunnel? Could putting heavy construction equipment over the tunnels risk collapse? Did the cult, in fact, get proper authorization to put in the tunnel? Maybe the media could be asked these questions, in the interests of putting a cultish spin on a public works project?
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  14. Anonymous Member

    I am so glad chanology has something with sekrit tunnels.
  15. Aren't the blueprints to GoldBase a matter of public record?
    I mean, you don't think that Scientologists ('mere wog law') would violate local ordinances by doing clandestine construction at their super-secret international HQ... do ya?
  16. Anonymous Member

    At least some part of California have laws such that if construction is done without a permit, it has to be caught by officials within something like seven years otherwise they have to let it slide.

    And its not like any officials ever get into Gold Base.

    However, that may not apply to tunnelling under public land.
  17. Anonymous Member
    This is another tunnel nearby

    It looks like the excess land from the project could be sold off after the tunnel was built. Did this happen?
  18. DeathHamster Member

  19. The location of one tunnel is well known (photo below by the cafeteria). Where is the second tunnel?
  20. dbloch7986 Member

    Any word on what's happening with the project?
    San Jacinto City Council agrees never to close Gilman Springs Road
    "The possible closing of Gilman Springs Road has been suggested by the leaders of the Church of Scientology in past years and has gained support from a few former residents who feared the secretive organization was engaged in alleged criminal activities, according to one of the speakers.

    All closure requests have been denied. The religious group has a tunnel underneath the roadway they use to access their property on both sides of the highway and has helped make some improvements at the Church of Scientology-owned Golden Era Golf Course, according to public records."
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  23. DeathHamster Member

    Big deal. CoS and some patsy will be back again in a few years.

    Council doesn't support closing Gilman Springs Road September 3, 2009, Gail Wesson, Press-Enterprise

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