Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC - Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009:

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

This deserves more exposure.

Note the TREBLE DAMAGES and the extended statute of limitations, not only for the human trafficking issues, but to any related claims... like, not paying minimum wages and overtime.

And if'n ya read it all in the codes, you'll find that "disability" can apply to mental disability, too, not just physical. So if CofS threatens to keep you disconnected from your family (extortion, mental harassment) unless you toe the line, and you're freaked out and cry nightly about the mess "you got yourself into", then that could be a mental disability -- and it suspends the running of the statute of limitations. So a few more years down the road for some of us, we can still file suits -- if we were human trafficked... like most of us in the Sea Org were if you actually read what LABOR HUMAN TRAFFICKING is.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

lawdy, i think i love that delicious piece of CA civil code!!

it be interesting to know how FL law compares in this same area as Claire's new twist on the litigation (human trafficking), for sea org slaves that were only ever stationed at flag.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Right -- the statute states that disability could mean "insanity, imprisonment, or other incapacity or incompetence", although it's not clear just how broad this would be interpreted by a court, but a good argument could be made that because you were coerced into continuing to work by threats of disconnection and threats of spiritual withholding, you deserve to have the statute of limitations removed from the table via the estoppel clause, which would mean that anyone who ever worked in the SO and who otherwise fits within the definition of human trafficking could bring a claim.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

This is great news. I've been wondering about the circumstances in which the limitations period would be extended, but I didn't really expect there to an provision so directly on point.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Has anyone noticed that any postings that contain any serious, relevant information about the crimes of this very criminal organization, seem to be being erased, leaving only those comments that are not specific? I wonder who's doing this??

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Has anyone noticed that any postings that contain any serious, relevant information about the crimes of this very criminal organization, seem to be being erased, leaving only those comments that are not specific? I wonder who's doing this?? It almost seems like this has become a forum for Scientologists to talk to each other, instead of legitimate Anon's revealing information.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

STFU, Roberta.

You going to start ranting about Scientologists kidnapping your daughter and hiding her in a Mormon prison camp again?

Take your meds.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

I haven't seen anything disappearing. And I see a lot of criminal dirt on CofS still exposed on WWP.

Are you hallucinating?

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

I don't know but there are *&^^(***^^#@%^* MF OSA here!

Is it possible for other Sea Org members to join this civil suit?
Can Graham tell us if that is possible?

Just wondering because the more plaintiffs with dox would be the greatest win of all. Imagine the win taking the MF CULT in the courts with millions in settlements.

Another way of showing the IRS/Homeland Security/FBI/CBP how to take the fucking CULT down.
Where are these guys anyway? Are there fucking morons running these offices all over the States?

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

No, it's just that the dirt stays, and the bullshit washes away

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Didn't Anne Archer go to some kind of fundraiser against human trafficking a few years ago along with the LA sheriff who seems sympathetic to Scientology?

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Obama Signs Equal-Pay Bill Into Law

Top Headlines, U.S., World, Politics, Entertainment and Sports News - AOL News

Will this help with this lawsuit ?

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

"...if the victim was under a "disability" at the time the trafficking took place--disability could mean "insanity, imprisonment, or other incapacity or incompetence " which from the way I read it means that if you are under control in such a way that the statute of limitations is extended? This I think could be a very important angle to look at, especially if you consider professional considerations of how long it can take to get your head straight after being indoctrinated in a cult, and from what I understand those who have been 'cultisized' by Co$ are some of the worst (as in longest recovery) cases, many do not fully recover and often it'll take upwards of 10 (ten) years to gain one's self again. I'm not pulling those numbers outta my ass either, they are out there go look-see (anyone with some origional 'CultWatch' material before Co$ crushed them (for lack of a better term)? Anyone catching my drift here or am I screwed up as usual
As it stands I sux again, sry Francie, you got it and pointed this out.
Reinterate, such an extension of statutes could be very, very benificial to victims when dealing with redress.
I go nao.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Easier to go under the "duress" provisions.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

The labor law suit is a major, brilliant move towards exposing this criminal organization and hitting them where it will hurt the most....in the pocketbook$$$$$$$$$$$$$I beleive Anon's should to focusing on supporting this ( and all legal filings) diligently and visably

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Longtime lurker and enthusiastic harpoon launcher here.

This thread is so full of potential smile that I smiled several times while reading.

Regarding those who posted that the government will take credit as the cult suffers final fail, it doesn't matter. Remember, we're not about glory. It doesn't matter who gets the glory, even if its undeserved. We are about win.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

You talkin' to me? Are YOU talkin' to ME?
I said something like that, but I never said I cared.
Its just the way it is.
Kind of pathetically amusing.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

It was a long thread and had to go back to see if it was you. Having read a second time, I can see that my initial interpretation may have been incorrect. It seemed, on first read, liked you cared, even though you didn't state directly. Apologies for centering you out.

Yes, politicians are often amusing.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

I don't care. Apology not necessary.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

I read the article and Im just saying that if it took that lady 19 years to figure out that the guys where being paid more...

To answer the question I don't know if it will help or not, I think both Marc and Claire where both being paid 39 cents an hour.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

This is GREAT NEWS !!!! This lawsuit is going to very significant in the war against this very criminal Org..and it gets them right where it hurts the most, in the wallet$$$$$$$$$$$$$BTW have been reading stats regarding the heavy debt the org is in due , primarily, to the trust deed scams pulled in Cal ( and elsewhere) ! The timing of this suit is genius!

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Trust Deed scams? Please provide link. I'd like to read about that.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

^ Do a search on her previous posts as "Roberta Steinberg" -- you don't want to waste your time on this one.

MaryannMobley is just the latest sock of Roberta's. She also was posting as "anonychump" and "anonyschmuck."

She claims her daughter was kidnapped by Scientologists and is being held in a Mormon compound... along with a metric buttload of other craziness. See:

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/291-scientology-activism/anonychump-roberta-steinberg-34226/

I've been waiting for her to try to inch back into repeating these stories.

Anons did follow up on her previous claims. Analysis: bugnuts crazycakes.

Example:

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Thanks for the link, XLU. This...

... is just plain mortgage fraud (and identity theft). It might well have happened, as there are many criminals on the fringes of Scientology. Scientologists are such brainwashed, trusting chumps that they get scammed all the time. And none of them can sue the other criminal Scientologists who defrauded them. They must, instead, use WISE Mediation procedures. What the poor suckers don't get is that a "victim" cannot "mediate" with the person who perpetrated the crime on them. Mediation is appropriate for civil cases, not criminal cases. And mortgage fraud is a Federal felony crime. (As have been most of the crimes WISE covers up to help protect the Church of Scientology.)

Again, thanks for the link XLU.

Unless Roberta Steinberg or "MaryannMobley" can come up with another instance of this scam, then I can't say that it was coordinated by Scientology. And I mean giving us some actual property addresses (including county and state) to research. A single instance doth not a conspiracy make.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Thanks for the heads-up on that person.

Back on topic:
The mere existence of the “fair game” policy = duress.
No?

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

I would say so. I don't know if it fits legal definition (I would think so)

Also Not sure Mortgage fraud stuff fits in the the Headleys' cases.

Also thanks for the heads up.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Attn: Headley lawyers for this lawsuit.

It occurred to me today that a piece of VITAL discovery that would be relevant to the lawsuit and for the interests of transparency is the as yet undisclosed IRS report on the tax exempt status of Scientology.

In 1993 DM explained to us on the Freewinds (OT8 Anniversary Voyage) that a special secret operation was being enforced against the IRS to get tax exempt status "Operation Eagle". It was described as an offense operation with no holding back.

The report on the manner in which Scientology/DM forced the IRS to give in has been kept secret by the IRS. See.

Did anyone get theFOIA- IRS internal C of S report? - alt.religion.scientology | Google Groups

It is, however, a high certainty that OSA/DM/Moxon DO HAVE A COPY of this which could be required in discovery.

This document is very relevant to anyone in litigation with Scientology as it probably reveals some or all of the forced intimidation and/or illegal blackmail that OSA/DM used to get a "religious" shield to hide behind while continuing to commit fraud and other crimes.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Without spoiling anything for you let me just say that most of the laws that obama signs will in some way help the war effort.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

To a layperson, how does this work? Lawyers go "you have document XXX give it", what if the opposing lawyers go "umm no we don't have it" what sort of proof that they have it is there, in order to force them to reveal it?

If I was a racketeering enterprise and had incriminating documents, I would just tell my lawyer that I did not. What steps can be taken beyond "he said she said"?

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

I would think (I am not a lawyer though) that they could be required to provide a copy and if they don't have one to demand one from the IRS. It is a relevant document and they have acted financially as a result of the document's existence.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Danny is psychotic and has a vicious temper. Ask his 3 (now divorced) wives he routinely beat the crap out of and got away with thx to the equally psychotic dwarf. All is power is driven by his relationship with DM and I doubt he has the mental capabilities to experience real satisfaction.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Maybe he enjoys poopchuting and facepummeling (recipient)?

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Maybe this info will help the case?

http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-...-org-members-w-2-pay-statement-amounts-39100/

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

^^There is so much litigation and potential litigation against co$ I think it has to come out very soon.
It is relevant in every case I have seen
Also, as mentioned by another anon, the political/legal/government "climate" is very different than when the original FOIA requests were made.
Transparency time

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

FEB 18, 2009 UPDATE:

The complaints have been modified to include some new issues.

Here are the amended complaints that were filed today.


Marc Amended Complaint - Fullscreen


Amended COMPLAINT - Claire - Fullscreen

Both will be served this week.

Expect to hear moar!

Until next time...
BFG

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

Scio will not give up that IRS document, and there are MANY ways to keep it out of a trial.

When the Tax Court's tried to get ahold of their MCCS tapes (in which they discussed the things they were doing with the Scio reorganization and how they were being used to deceive the IRS), Scio successfully kept them out of evidence through a separate lawsuit and several motions for the duration of the case. 9th Circuit looked at them (not in time for the Tax Court decision, of course) and said they clearly showed intent to defraud the IRS. And yet...no one else has seen the tapes outside of an LA County Court (sealed I believe). And yet, near the end Scio offered to give transcripts of the tapes on the condition that all info from tapes would be sealed (which would have effectively sealed the court decision since it would have invariably cited from the tapes- they already knew they were going to lose). The Court declined, of course (It didn't need them), but noted that it meant the Scios had it the entire time.

Trust me, they'd pull the same dirty shit with the IRS deal.

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

^ What you think wikileaks is for?

Now all you need is a reasonably technologicaly competant judge to develop a conscience...

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

One of the things I liked best about these is that they ask for permanent injunctions banning organized scientology from carrying out some of their most abusive practices on staff such as forced abortions, avoiding child care issues etc.

These two updated complaints tell of many of the main lies of organized scientology with respect to their staff and the complete horrors of what the truth really shows.

The difference between saying all that in different posts here on the internet and in these complaints are that the complaints are a real attempt at justice where something can actually be done about it.

IMHO if anyone can help with these two cases that would be time well spent in dealing with the exposure and eventual elimination of abuses within organized scientology.

For one thing, in my opinion people who are recently out and who might like to be part of such cases should contact the attorney Barry Van Sickle and let him know.

Some people, as well as the bad guys, are probably curious about this becoming a class action. I believe that the answer is that this has class action potential but no final decision has been made on trying to move this into a class.

At the very least there are many people who could be witnesses in these actions. My gawd if 1% of the detail found on such places as XSO and ex scientologists and ex scientology kids about staff abuses could be covered in these cases it would be total win!

Who, who was there, is willing to tell the courts of seeing DM beat others, of witnessing sub standard staff conditions, forced abortions, abuses to prevent people from leaving staff, private personal information used against staff to stop them from speaking out, disconnection used for same, etc?

Right here, right now, in these cases, we have a chance to END those abuses and truly call DM and others to justice.

Only in the shadows of things unsaid can DM and organized scientology continue to exist with all their abuses.

Anyone with real first hand information willing to tell the truth as above should contact Barry Van Sickle.

This may be a long shot but I can tell you now what information given to Barry would be hugely important to stopping the abuses. I am sure that Barry would like to know who has been contacted by OSA and threatened with reprisals. This would be HUGE! I have heard that OSA is even trying to get people to sign agreements not to join or help in the Headleys' cases. Information along these lines would be very, very helpful to Barry!

This battle is being joined. I know, for example, that Graham Berry has volunteered to help with this and I know of others helping.

I cannot stress too much what an opportunity this is to speak out now and truly DO SOMETHING about all the abuses such as those who want to help contacting the attorney Barry as they may be able to help out as a witness. I'm in for this and I ask all other fellow ex Sea Org staff, and current ones too, who have first hand information of the types of lies/abuses contained in these complaints to contact Barry Van Sickle now and take a stand as well.

We CAN help end DM's reign of terror against staff. Who better than us to support this and help those like Marc, Claire and Barry who have taken a stand to fight for our rights and the rights of all being abused there now?

There is a lot that cannot be said in these forums that you can go over with the attorney and others privately. As for what is said above, well DM et al you can just stew on it as there is nothing you can do to stop the truth from coming out eventually.

Barry Van Sickle's email address is: bvansickle@surewest.net (in case that does not come out that is "bvansickleATsurewest.net" with the "AT" representing the "@" symbol).

Larry Brennan

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

I'm sure there are loads of people who know stuff, but I think its often the case of doing it officially with your name etc.
I personally am still pretty scared of fair-gaming if I came out.
I admire you guys for having the balls to do it, but maybe in the not too far future we can remove out masks and stand up to the evil cult

re: Claire Headley Lawsuit filed - JAN 20, 2009: Claire Headley v. CSI & RTC

anon and other critics help by paving the way with public sentiment, research, perhaps even legal $ contributions etc

BUT ultimately it takes ex-members coming forward with information that can make it into a court of law

I tip my hat to all who have found themselves able to do so

and as Larry says...this IS AN OPPORTUNITY NOW