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Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

Discussion in 'Narconon' started by mnql1, Jul 9, 2010.

  1. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Oh' Geeeezzz, My clock said I was only 7 minutes late,...LOL

    Ok, I'll take next Saturday off and go to a protest and have some fun?

    Then maybe on Sunday I'll go to Trois Rivieres and sit on a lawn chair on Parent Boulevard, holding a sign?

    But first I must report to reception, present my CSW, (that will surely get denied),
    and see where I go from there?

    I won't answer what mistakes I'm concerned about; and I really don't have much
    control over other peoples mistakes? Or do I?...., ;-)
  2. Anonymous Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    protip: any post with pfizer in it is going to be a joke
  3. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Sorry for my ignorance, but what's a Pfizer???
  4. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Ok, maybe I'll work forwards from the beginning, then backwards from where I'm at; meet in the middle; then "Fast Forwards" to the "End Scenario"; how does that sound...., LOL
  5. Anonymous Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Pfizer is a pharmaceutical company.

    At the beginning of Chanology, the cult would tell their members and the public that we were paid by big pharmas (among other things). We played along and decided to pretend that we were indeed paid by them to protest, joking about receiving our pay cheques and what not. it's just an inside joke.
  6. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Oh' YES, now I remember Pfizer, they are famous for Benzodiazepines; the "Cure All" for stress and sleepless nights :)

    Valium to be precise,....yuk,.....Never again,...LOL
  7. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    "End Scenario"?????

    But in fore sight, scenarios do not predict. Rather, they paint pictures of possible futures and explore the differing outcomes that might result if basic assumptions are changed.”

    Kind of like a Chess Game; and life to them is a Game?...., ... :)
  8. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Well, Pfizer and Reception said I must go try and sleep by 11:00pm. It's now 10:56; so goodnight all.

    "I'LL BE BACK!"
  9. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Fantastic day! Time to rock n' roll, change gears and kick it up another notch :-*
  10. Anonymous Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    sunday at narconon. Lots of students walking around.
  11. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Can't be done this way - no "Cutting Corners!"

    [COLOR="Red"]UPDATE:[/COLOR]

    Each Entity and Individual needs to be listed and complaint filed separately for each one. There is probably going to be another entity/individual/FSM named and complaint filed. Still ample time to submit documents for these.

    The Quebec Human Rights Commission, signed documents must be in by August 23, 2010. It Can be done and Will be done.

    All the rest is moving forward as expected :)
  12. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

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    The Competition Act provides criminal and civil regimes to address false or misleading representations.

    Section 52 of the Act is a criminal provision. It prohibits knowingly or recklessly making, or permitting the making of, a representation to the public, in any form whatever, that is false or misleading in a material respect.

    Any person who contravenes section 52 is guilty of an offence and liable to a fine of up to $200,000 and/or imprisonment up to one year on summary conviction, or to fines in the discretion of the court and/or imprisonment up to 14 years upon indictment.

    Canada Law: Conspiracy An agreement between two or more persons to commit a criminal act.

    An agreement between two or more persons to commit an illegal or unlawful act, or to achieve a legal act but by illegal or unlawful means.

    R. v. Cotroni (1979), 2 SCR 256, the Court wrote.

    "The word conspire derives from two Latin words, "con" and "spirare", meaning "to breathe together".

    "To conspire is to agree.

    "The essence of criminal conspiracy is proof of agreement. On the charge of conspiracy the agreement itself is the gist of the offence."
  13. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    But there very well could be another separate charge of Conspiracy!
  14. HellRazor Member

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    Anonymous, sponsored by Pfizer, proud makers of Viagra!
  15. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Ah', so they are "Hard Core" famous?...., LOL
  16. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Whooops! I'm nearly one hour late tonight. Must "hit the Sack" before Pfizer and Reception turns me into a pumkin at midnight.

    Cheers; have a good night/morning all :)

    But, "I'll Be Back!"
  17. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Well, I tried, but can't sleep now,... LOL

    I emailed a couple of friends on here about wanting/needing to have a simple website to help save me time and frustration, while at the same time, helping to help my co-workers, family and friends back west understand what I'm doing? So I think a simple wesite that I can add to would to the job?

    Right now, I link things on here to my Facebook Page and I try to give other people the links to here for information, which I will continue to do, but there are some personal stories that I don't know if they are proper for here, or the Mods would allow me to post, ... LOL....So my website would help there too :)

    This Forum is one of the best things that happened to me; it really is. The information on here has educated me like nothing before....Ever!

    It is the "Free-Flow" of information that helps educate people in what scientology and their front groups are all about. It sure educated me....., Big Time...., :)

    Also, with the Expose work I'm doing right now, it would be very nice to able to direct Government and Investigators to specific, complied information and evidence that is relevent to the specific cases they are investigating, by just sending them a web link. It would save me a lot of time.

    So one of my dear friends on the Forum here, started a New Thread:

    http://forums.whyweprotest.net/12-active-projects/david-love-website-project-70856/

    I want to thank this friend very much! I'm also getting a Lap Top in the next few days so that I can get out of this "Noisy Box" apartment and do some work in a quiet Cafe, Park, or down by a quiet river bank.(Where ever, but here ALL the time). I am very grateful for all your help and support......, and wise advice on many issues and matters at hand. I'm more grateful than you will ever know. I feel very blessed indeed to have so many people who really make me feel like I am Not Alone.

    So if any of you have any suggestions or ideas for this simple website that I hope to have, please feel free to post on the above thread. Thank you.

    David Love
  18. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    All correspondense and dox are up to date and the next few should be done by next week :)

    Quite complex and interesting indeed.

    That's all for now...........
  19. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    PART I

    CANADIAN CHARTER OF RIGHTS AND FREEDOMS

    Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:

    Fundamental freedoms

    2. Everyone has the following fundamental freedoms:

    (a) freedom of conscience and religion;

    (b) freedom of thought, belief, opinion and expression, including freedom of the press and other media of communication;

    (c) freedom of peaceful assembly; and

    (d) freedom of association.
    -----------------------------------------------------------

    Freedom of religion within the Laws of Canada.
  20. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    People, (ex-students) are beginning to come out of the "Woodwork"

    Facebook Messages: (all identites confidential)

    These are messages in to me, (from a New Friend ):
    -------------------------------------------------------------

    xxxxxxx xxxxx August 18 at 11:47pm Here are two people that have responded, waiting for more they both have good cases also I have sent messages to others also waiting for responses...

    xxxxx xxxxx August 17 at 11:16pm I am sure people want their money back i could get a group of people who are not only angry and upset with them but frustrated and really eager to get xxxxxxx. That place has don't sopme terrible things. Let me know procedures to deal with this please. Much appreciated.

    Sent via Facebook Mobile .
    xxxxx xxxx August 18 at 10:19am yo they reported xxxxxxx need to get these tracks back nopnline in a few daysd xxxxx .

    xxxxx xxxxx August 18 at 1:07pm send that to David love
    Sent via Facebook Mobile


    xxxxx xxxxx August 18 at 2:45pm yes i have the greatest case against them Ph: xxx-xxx-xxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxx my name i want my money back!
    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I think the Canada Competition Bureau, Consumer Protection Bureau, other Government Agencies, and the Courts may be getting quite busy soon.
  21. LordCeptimos Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    hmmmmm... moar...
  22. Intelligence Member

  23. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    I have to go to bed and get some rest before the protest tomorrow :)

    It's 3:40am here right now....., "Yawn"......
  24. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Difficult to sleep after reading this recent email to me................
  25. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Why Wait?

    Witnesses remember Case Supervisor Winnie M. Scherer chasing David Love out of the Narconon Trois Rivieres theory course room foyer. Following refusal to write up "overts and withholds" and turn them in for this Case Supervisor and other staff to read, David walks out of theory room, heading across the compound parking lot to his room. In front of several staff members and students/patients, Winnie chases after David and yells, Quote: "Get back in here you fucking Jerk", Unquote.

    David just keeps on walking and goes to his room.

    That was a disturbing incident, which was "out of character" coming from this generally "calm and collected" Case Supervisor. Permission to continue the Narconon Program was granted, following days of presenting and arguing my case in several interviews with several staff members. In my last interview, I suggested I simply pack up my belongings and head home. Or we could agree to disagree and get on with the program. And since I was paying for my program in bi-weekly installments of approximately $700-750, this cash flow into Narconon would cease. So we compromised and I wrote my Overts and Withholds, but did not turn them into Marc Bernard, the Case Supervisor. Instead, I allowed Charles, in Qualifications to read them and I sat in front of him while he read some of them; making sure there were no copies being made.

    Another time my Narconon Program was quite notably put on hold, was when I refused to accept or memorize the Suppressive Persons, Social Persons and Anti-Social Persons Doctrines. And especially the PTS Condition Doctrine concerning ALL illnesses and ALL accidents or mishaps are Always caused from a Suppressive Person and being in a PTS Condition. ".....Hogwash, I say....." This occurred in the exact same location as the "physical harm threats" which were bursted out by Sue Chubbs following the incident when a diabetic patient was not given his insulin for a few days while he was in the Sauna Program. This person could have died and did spend days in the hospital at Trois-Rivieres to recover. He left Narconon a few days after returning from the hospital and returned home.

    In front of a few staff members, Sue Chubbs stated, Quote, "If I hear anyone talking about it being my fault for not giving him his insulin, I will "pound them", (shaking her fist) Unquote.

    These two incidents were near the time when two female staff members attacked each other in front of patients/staff, with a considerable amount of blood left on the floor. One of the scrappers was a daughter of a Narconon Trois Riviersn Executive and the other scrapper was the daughter of a NarcononCanadaExecutive.
    This incident also near the time period when one patient punched his fist through the sauna glass window and another patient putting his fist through the dining room glass cooler window. And this incident was near the time when a male patient was sitting at a dining room computer and a female attacked him, cutting him just below the eye with a glass.

    Also, outside in the parking lot, a balcony full of patients and staff, watched as a female patient attacked a male patient, hitting him over the head with a chair.

    These are just a few incidents that happened in a relatively short period of time and quite notably were "females" being the aggressor. I think this should be a clear indication to Government health authorities, that there must be "qualified" staff members on the premises at all times. Prior to two of these incidents, requests were made to speak to a psychiatrist and another request to see an "outside" qualified councilor or therapist. Of course both these requests were denied without discussion.

    When taking into account, the withdrawal/detox unit not being staffed by any nurse or other qualified medical person/doctor; the dangers of the Sauna Program and not having the patients monitored by a nurse or other qualified medical person/doctor, (many patients becoming ill and going to hospital emergency); or any medical first aid room where an ill patient could be examined, (if there were a nurse.) Narconon can house up to 100 patients. I question the safety of the patient’s health and welfare?

    I think the government should not wait until July 2011, but to closely examine the practices of Narconon Trois-Rivieres immediately and take measures to have this facility, (and any others that have similar health risks), at least meet some criteria which would reduce the health and safety risks to these vulnerable and exploited patients. There were more than 70 patients when I was there.

    When a patient pays $23,000.00 for three to five months, there should be at the very minimum, a 24 hour "on duty nurse" with a "nurse’s room", (similar to what is in place for our school children).

    I think the Government; instead of waiting until July 2011 should step in now to close such reprehensible rehab centers when it is evident that some of these centers pose a health risk to patients?

    Also, it's clear that the staff must be trained to handle situations without acting and reacting in such an absurd and aggressive manner. Apparently the new Quebec laws coming into effect in July 2011, will stipulate that there must be a psychiatrist "on board" and that a minimum of 50% of the staff must have a college or university education/diploma/degree in the social and rehabilitation field. And these new requirements should be monitored closely, with regular visits from the Health and Social Services authorities from Quebec.

    Updated summaries and reports of any health risk concerns, should be mandatory, and there should be no tolerance for not having these reports available for Government’s inspection upon their request. Monthly reports to Government should be sent in and Rehab Centers should expect random visits from these authorities.

    Any Patient who requests to speak to a Government Social or Health worker upon their “random” visit to a rehab center, should have easy access to these workers. It’s a simple, but efficient way to ensure a “checks and balances” safety net for these vulnerable patients.

    This new law should protect these vulnerable patients, but until then, I believe patient’s health and welfare are unduly at risk.

    David Edgar Love
  26. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    It was good to meet you yesterday, JohnnyRUCleaR! It was a very good ptotest :)
  27. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    "Well you must have met some-other-body; no, no, it wasn't me."
    -G. Thorogood
  28. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Sorry about that. He/she was wearing a Mask ;-)
  29. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    What DOES "BUMP" mean when somebody posts it?
  30. Anonymous Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    means that they don't have anything to contribute to the thread but do want to put it at the top of threads for others to see
  31. JohnnyRUClear Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    "round, round, git around, I GIT AROUND"
  32. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    I'm Setting Up My Dragon Tonight!

    Dragon Naturally Speaking, that is :)

    For some of you who don't know what this is; it's a speach to text software program. I used it back in the early 1990's when I was writing my first book, but gave uo with itbecause my computer was too slow at 667mhz, Pentium 2, with 2 500mb of ram. The unit could not handle this prgram.

    I see there have been some comments about how much I write and post on here. I write tons more besides here on the forum and this is why I need this software.

    Every letter, word, and sentence I type is with the same right, index finger. It's awefully frustrating at times and my old tired, arthritic finger gets sore :-(,.... boo-hoo, I klnow!
    That's another reason why I'm up all hours of the night working. It takes me a long time to write something.

    So now my text will appear on the screen as fast as I speak it, with 99% accuracy; much less mistakes than I make in each sentence. It types 3 times faster than most people can type.

    I'm a very old happy camper and will be in very "happy land" if it works as well as the specs say it will. So I'm off to set it up on my new Laptop that I broughtnhome today :)

    Thanks and gratitude to the two Anons who took me shopping yesterday to pick it out and many thanks to the other Anon who helped make this happen for me. God Bless You All!

    Your Friend,

    David Love
  33. Intelligence Member

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    I'll Be Back!
  34. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    HUMAN RIGHTS COMMISSION - UPDATE

    360, rue Saint-Jacques, 2e étage
    Montréal (Québec) H2Y 1P5
    Tél. : (514) 873-5146 ou 1 800 361-6477
    Web : www.cdpdj.qc.ca
    Téléc. : (514) 873-6032

    August 24, 2010

    Dear Sir

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    Last, section 82 of the Charter states that the Commission may apply to a tribunal for any
    appropriate measure against any person who attempts to take or takes reprisals against a
    person, group or organization having an interest in the handling of a case of discrimination or
    exploitation. Please advise me immediately if you are Subject to reprisals.

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Now it looks like they may be in BIG Trouble indeed. Have to go to work now, will post more later :)
  35. Random guy Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Combine your Dragon with a tape recorder, and you'll be able to produce documents faster than Moxons minions can refute them!
  36. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Notice of intent to file documents, recording, and evidence, has been forwarded to the human rights commission this morning. Should link narconon and cos solid.
  37. Intelligence Member

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  38. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Labour Relations Board - Moving Forward

    David Love vs. Narcocon Trois-Rivières. CNT: 630022339.
    ...
    From:
    "Péloquin, Daniel" <Daniel.Peloquin@cnt.gouv.qc.ca>
    ...
    Add to Contacts
    To: dc4loves@yahoo.ca
    Mr. David Love,

    I am the attorney on record to handle your complaint against Narconon.
    I wish that you phone me as soon as possible at 514-499-7227.

    Truly,

    Daniel Péloquin

    Daniel Péloquin, avocat


    RIVEST, FRADETTE, TELLIER

    Direction des affaires juridiques

    500, boul. René-Lévesque Ouest

    25e étage

    Montréal (Québec) H2Z 2A5

    Tél.: (514) 864-1237, poste 3041

    Sans frais : (888) 501-1886, poste 3041

    Télécopieur : (514) 873-0960
  39. Intelligence Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Hello xxxxxx xxxxxx

    I have scanned the ten (10) page,signed Complaint document and attched it
    here. I will also fax you the ten (10) page, signed complaint document today
    and also send the original, signed copy by mail.

    Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you.

    Please confirm that you received these documents.

    Thank you very much.

    Sincerely,

    David Edgar Love
  40. Random guy Member

    Re: Complaints Against Narconon T-R: Gov is investigating

    Sorry, I'm no techie. I just hope you get the technology to work for you rather than against you.

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