Complete list of all official Orgs/Missions in the World

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Woot! Added your summary and a link to your chart in the op!

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WHAT A GREAT JOB HUBBARD-TELESCOPE! I AM NOT JUST FEEDING YOUR EGO, I FIND THIS TO BE AWESOME.

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SOURCE?

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Don't make me smack you.

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Smack me, but you just said you got it from the scientology site, but not from where exactly.

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Let me try to answer some of those:
Italy was the testbed for a major CoS project. The idea was to reg for money for opening lots of new Missions, country by country. In Italy, it worked in that the new Missions have survived. The system was then tried in Hungary, worked there too. DM was obliged to sanction the opening of a new Org in Budapest, and that's most unusual.
Next was the UK. The money was raised, the locations chosen, and then... nothing. I wrote to SMI and they assured me the new Missions were ready to roll. Nothing. It wasn't until several years later that a new Mission started up in the UK. The money raised? Hah!
So what went wrong? My guess is that DM lost interest in favour of the 'Ideal Org' project - bigger, upmarket buildings that would attract rich punters.
Taiwan seems to have taken off entirely on its own. The religious climate is permissive and there is no anti-cult pressure. It has no Org, I've heard the Missions are supported by Orgs in California, and they are doing OK.
The 'mission' in Pakistan has been on the books for a long while, I suspect it's just a pile of books in someone's apartment. DM knows as much about Islam as your average American (fuck all), and so no one in the CoS dares to know more. The CoS was caught peddling 'Dianetics' at an Egyptian book fair and their people were lucky to be deported and not arrested - trying to convert Moslems to another religion is a serious offense in most Islamic countries.
There was a Mission in Hong Kong under British rule, it closed recently. The Chinese government takes a strong line on cults due to its bad experience with Falun Gong:
Falun Gong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
DM has evidently decided that China is a 'no go area' for Scientology.
Hemet is officially a film studio.
'6,000' includes 'groups'. Anonymous keeps getting confused about this! 'Groups' are all the front groups, EVERY BRANCH of CCHR, WISE, Narconon, Delphi, the lot. Every Org and Mission has, on paper, a seperate 'Dianetics Foundation' in a filing cabinet, so that's an instant doubling:
Official Dianetics Site: Buy Hard Cover, Paperback and Audio Books by L. Ron Hubbard. Unlock the Potential of the Human Mind
(warning, this site contains volcanoes and bad acting. It does not include any Scientology though, being factually an entirely secular procedure developed by humanitarian and philosopher... help...)

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So these front groups don't actually need to have a location they may just be an office or computer inside another org, mission or other scilon property ?

So every org would also have a branch of the CCHR, YFHR, Way to Happiness etc and each of the front groups would count as a mission ?

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Every secular and nonsecular group is Scientology?

amidoinitrite?

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Sigh. You're very slow.

Scientology Church & Scientology Mission Global Locator

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Recently closed shop. Louisville Anons are somewhat sad without a proper place to raid now.

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Non-existent. It's a residential address without any Scino or front group names on the directory above the buzzer.

Given that the real org address (Kungens Kurva) wasn't on their main website a year ago, and this one was, it's possible someone's living room was serving the function while they moved to their current location. (way out in the suburbs, in an office building! No 'raw meat' is going to casually wander in there!)

The Malmö address is the one they just moved to.

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What HP meant by the "doubling" is that wherever you have a "Church of Scientology of __________" (fill in the blank for the location), you also have a "Dianetics Foundation of _________" (same location).

What HP didn't mention is that some of these orgs also have two orgs operating within the same location -- a DAY org and a FOUNDATION org.

DAY meant roughly 9-5 M-F. FOUNDATION meant evenings and weekends.

Same building. Same rooms. Sometimes the same "customers". Two different staffs. The DAY staff is supposed to train during the FOUNDATION time period, and FOUNDATION staff are supposed to train during the DAY time period.

HP listing out the "secular groups" (front groups) was meant to just say each individual corporation there counts as one. Example: Narconon NETWORK could have 200 Narconon groups. HP implies that these count 200 towards the 6,000.

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Like this example, Los Angeles. Same building, two entrances - one for Scientology, one for Dianetics. Same receptionists will sit at either entrance, depending on need. Same staff, same bookstore. It's literally just two entrances to the same place.

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That was a good post HT if I do say so myself.

The only reason I think of why they didn't list Goldbase is because it's not open to the public. Nobody on the outside can get into Goldbase..........as a matter of fact, nobody can get in or out! Goldbase is sorta like a graveyard, nobody on the outside wants to get in and nobody on the inside can get out!

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Good shit, Scientologists need to see this list compared with what their massas are telling them

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Every Org's OSA office also operates as "Citizens Commission on Human Rights," "Youth for Human Rights," "Say No to Drugs," "Crimanon" and any other front group they want to print up a letterhead for. These are just the same single individual, usually, operating as different front groups. Check the addresses - it's either the Org address or a PO Box. But they count each one of these letterheads as a separate "group." And yes, each org also operates a "Hubbard Dianetics Foundation" as a DBA, and count it as another org. So there is lots of double-triple-quadruple counting. In additiion to the just plain old fabrication of figures.

Missions are usually someone's house. The mission here in Portland is a renovated single-story house, in the middle of a residential neigborhood. They are open two evenings a week, Wednesdays and Sundays.

I recommend actual inspections of each area. In Portland, for instance, Scientology has contracted over the years. There used to be a booming Celebrity Center and an Org, now there is just the org (and an empty "ideal org" building).

Jeff
AKA Fishdaddy on OCMB and ESMB

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Part of the 6,000 "groups" would also include all field groups - including field auditors and probably things like the Clearwater Community Volunteers (who sponsor an Easter Egg Hunt and a Sand Castle competition) and the Scientology Surf Club by Rob Hoover (which only ever did beach cleanups followed by passing out The Way to Happiness booklets).

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I'm not the brightest (as many here will attest) But I don't get how/why anyone would think of counting a "secular group" as an org or mission.

And it still looks like each org/mission would need to include 11 others.
(12 x aprox 500 =6,000)

Does this have anything to do with liability? I looked at one of the contracts for joining as a member and it looked to me like it was trying to make each org it's own entity. So if someone was going to get sued you couldn't sue scientology you could only sue the org. (Btw I aint a lawyer)

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Correct. If your local Christian Church had a sewing circle, a Sunday School and a baseball team they would all count towards such a total. But not 'Mission', a Mission is a specific type of branch.

Yes, though in the CoS 'Org' is normally used to refer to the building, not what's on the Org Board. Day and Foundation are two shifts. Now and then someone copying onto the Internet used to include both, something to watch for when counting.

Missions work something like fast food franchises, such as those in Ronald McDonald's fine enterprise:
McDonald's - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Of course Mr McDonald serves nearly 47 million customers each day because he is a good businessman who gives customers what they want whereas Mr Miscavige... doesn't.

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Myfyde: The problem is that you're trying to be logical with this. Scientology is all one thing - everything Hubbard. The "secular groups" are NOT "secular". Scientology only calls them that so that they can teach their crap in places where "religion" is not allowed, while still calling the main Hubbardology a "church".

Every Church of Scientology is supposed to head up and run the "secular groups" through their Division 6 and supported by the Clear Expansion Committee.

Here's a link to dox re Clear Expansion Committee: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-leaks-legal/epic-dox-drop-wikileak-scientology-clear-expansion-committee-documents-32556/

Hubbard specifically wanted every organization to be a separate corporate entity to limit "how far" liability would travel.

Hubbard wrote:

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When I was in (which was not too long ago) these were two ORGS. They were called "the Day org" and "the Foundation org". Each had it's own org board and staff, separate from the other. Students could sign up with one or the other org. Though there was some "slush" allowed (like a student could attend course in the "other org" on extra days or to make up lost time) the public were either signed up with the Day OR the Foundation org, and not both.

Each org has it's own stats and GI (gross income) which it distributes to ITS staff (and doesn't share with the other). They even sometimes have their own files (central files, ethics files, student files, etc.) which is the case with ASHO.

So to call them "shifts"... I don't think so.

Though... when an org is small, there's only one org. When they get a lot of staff recruited, that's when they "split" into day and foundation.

Perhaps the day/foundation concept is just another Hubbard ruse to separate liabilities and to push the staff harder.

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I admittedly tl;dred everything but the OP, but there's a new mission going in in Ocala. I'll find the address around somewhere.

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Mrfyde: Expanding on ealier post. Here's the graphics and references I wanted to point out:

Scientology cult uses dozens of front groups to make money and recruit followers : Indybay

Non-profit entities with links to Scientology: 990 filings

Scientology fronts: "Division 6C"

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Church of Scientology Mission of Ocala
50 SE 1st Ave
Ocala, FL 34471

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What she said.

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Awesome work folks!

Once the data is good it would be great to draw from that data and add more such as current org health, estimated weekly attendance, etc etc.

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Thanks for the information about Virginia. I'm trying to find people, like myself, who will want to take action against the Richmond cult. It's a very hard journey unfortunately, not many even know much about Scientology other then what Tom Cruise has thrown at people.

Thanks!

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This thread is relevant to your interests, Richmondfag.
http://forums.whyweprotest.net/121-raids/i-nquisition-gentlemen-richmond-callout-43405/

Restart their forums and we'd be glad to send down halp if you need it sometimes.

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Buried in the source of this RTC page (sux and condoms), there's the list of orgs and missions for filling out Ethics and Knowledge Reports. It's probably a few years out of date, but it shows the letter codes they use and which orgs actually do have a day and foundation shift (according to RTC, at least). Example: Detroit Day (DETD), Detroit Foundation (DETF)

https://www.rtc.org/reports/form/index.html

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I am impressed. This information is very useful for both recruitment and demoralizing purposes.

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so if there are 472 orgs. w/ 50 members each (and we know that is a high number for some orgs - and even some countries) that would put scientology at about the 23,600 mark. So I would say that the estimated 25,000 members world wide is actually a little on the high side.

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To be fair, the CCP takes a strong line on anything that could potentially threaten their absolute control and sovereignity. Some of these, they label "cults". Some actually are cults.

Many of the things they attribute to Falun Gong, they also attribute to Tibetan Buddhists, other Buddhists, and the Catholic church. Most groups that are labeled "religion" elsewhere, get relabeled "cult" in China.

Falun Gong is, AFAICT, a genuine evil and pernicious mindcontrol cult. The CCP is pretty rough on them- but I gather they troll the CCP as hard as they can. Much of the "bad experience" the Chinese government has, is due to butthurt from being trolled, and not understanding how/why not to feed the trolls.

While the CCP correctly detects "CULT" in Scientology and Falun Gong- I wouldn't put too much stock in their cult-detectors on the whole.

smart.

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Lol @Wikipedia sometimes. Clicked the link to read about another cult, instead spent a half hour facepalming at that cesspool of an edit war and reading b& user talkpages. That was interesting for a totally unexpected reason, thank you.

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This is fantastic stuff. good work telescope you magnificent bastard.

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My guess is it came from his Naval days, dividing the ship's crew into watches. In normal times there are IIRC enough crew to have three watches, but even in the CoS they close down at night so two is enough. And yes, your reasons too. As with much cult stuff the theoretical logic has some sense to it, it's the enforced unthinking application of it that causes problems.

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Orgs can have a couple hundred members. In Clearwater and LA it's a bit more. DC has about 100-150 including public, though many are off lines and don't come to events. The mission in Alexandria VA, however, is basically dead. LA I know had about 4,000-5,000 people show up at their LRH Birthday event. While much less than their anticipated 6,000-8,000, it's more than the average.

The Trinity College survey found about 25,000 self identifying Scientologists and shrinking in the US. Based on the census information we have from the countries with the "largest" reported number of Scientologists (Canada, the UK, Australia, New Zealand, Germany, etc) and the number of IAS donators for the past few decades, it's a safe bet to estimate maybe +/- 50,000 including offline publics who haven't officially blown yet.

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But the LA events pull together all public from:

Celebrity Centre International
Los Angeles Org (Day and Foundation)
ASHO (D & F)
AOLA
Pasadena Org
Orange County Org
all of the other orgs and missions in the Los Angeles County and greater area, including possibly the Inland Empire
all the Sea Org people from all over Los Angeles and surrounding area

and probably some others I haven't thought of.

In other words, if you're close enough to drive to the Shrine Auditorium (which means basically up to one hour drive time) you're going THERE.

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P.S. There are (or were) about 2-3,000 Sea Org reputed in the LA area, and they will fill the upper seating of the Shrine.

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To add to New Jersey, here are a few more..

Church of Scientology Mission‎
1029 Teaneck Rd
Teaneck, NJ
(201) 833-0100‎

Church of Scientology‎
433 N Broad St
Elizabeth, NJ‎
(908) 351-2277‎