Concerns Uh guys I am starting to have that bad feeling in my stomach and this is why: Feb: 8000 protesters March: 10000 protesters April: 5000 protesters? Are these numbers correct? Can it really have been cut in half? What does this mean?
Re: Concerns Personally I think it means that we've lost sight of what drew people to this in the first place, and it's too simplistic to just say it was lulz. I've argued this elsewhere, but i'm fed up of people refusing to discuss certain topics. Having said that, personally I question your motives OP, if you have concerns, state them but include potential solutions too.
Re: Concerns Glad your concerned now quit bawwwwwwwwwwwwwing about it and go down to your local bar slip ruffies in every ones drink make them sign a contract to be there may 10th. If that doesn't work find something that will. Until then STFU, quit bitching and do something about it. Numbers mean shit you CoS brain washed culty.
Re: Concerns There's a lot, but stopping the global protests til the time seems right and stepping up the flash raids, by encouraging a bit of competitiveness between different areas. Start carrying out the kind of clever "pranks" that will grap media attention, allow us to get our message across, but in a way that captures the publics' and potential anon's interest...loads of different things tbh.
Re: Concerns Disconnect landed us more media. Protest turnout will fluctuate. It's too early to establish a rhyme or reason. Brush up on Statistics and get back to us
Re: Concerns OP here I am kind of sad to see that my allegiance is being questioned. I do a lot. I have had the Un-Funny Truth shown at 6 high schools and I plastered up many streets with adverts for May 10th. I am just annoyed that this isn't landing well with many people as Anonymous has a big identity problem and the beautiful flock of birds is beginning to spread out. We need to get more on the game guys stop just talking and start doing. These numbers are real and if we don't act accordingly we may lose what we have fought so hard to accomplish thus far. Also to the people who are telling me to "GTFO" please just don't. Unless you are ready to address the issues that are real you will forever be locked in a endless spiral of fail. Something is up and we need to get acting on it. My faith is still strong but I fear that Anonymous is starting to break up in all different directions at the same time as bragging about our nature in being a flock of birds; individuals moving towards a given cause at their own will. I will continue spreading our cause everywhere and anyway I can but my concerns will still be there until the masses are ready to deal with them. By the way, I know this is the Anonymous Think Tank but I'm gonna just say that my account is AnonMontreal. If you wanna say something just PM the shit outta me.
Re: Concerns OP encore. Nadda, just saying if anything wants to be private it can be. Gah sex... can't have that for another 3 weeks. GF outta town. Anyways off topic. The point is we simply can't keep ignoring the problems we do face as they will always be there. Battlefrogs was a brilliant idea but it really only clicks with people familiar with memes (unless they really call). We should work on getting more on the media. YouTube shouldn't be our only means of voicing ourselves. Let's get on the TV!
Re: Concerns I missed April, but up for May and I have managed to get 5 scilon-protest virgins that are coming with me.. If your worried about numbers, do your part and rope new people in.. Personally I just showed them the first 2 'road to' videos (I got the HD ones and put on DVD) and they offered to come after watching it, I didn't need to say a thing..
Re: Concerns In order to raise our numbers as well as awareness, I think that the materials handed out and the discussions we have with passersby at the protests could include more information about how to get involved, perhaps outlining the following month's protest and what to do if you want to protest, as well as other things that people can do to help.
Re: Concerns I think it was just protest fatigue for the anons who have been at it since the start of chanology. Solution - bring in new people of course. At the reconnect in my city, a dude came up to me asking how to get involved, and the press coverage has been the best so far, so there's potential to bring in new people
Re: Concerns We're finding the need to recruit in my city as well. This suggestion is clean and probably effective. We've been pointing people to the global websites for more info like enturbulation, xenu.net, exscientologykids and yftc but not really making it easy for them to find us locally. In regards to the OP, understood. I think bringing more attention to how scientology practices affect younger people will end up bringing more people in as well. Making simple, direct YT vids about scientology vs the internet in all its forms would show that it isn't just a silly cult but a power that tries to reach into everyones homes. There are more things this powerhouse if creativity can come up with. I'm not afraid that the movement is dying, we just do need to bring more people in too.
Re: Concerns What matters is that we keep reaching people. Doesn't matter if it is through protests or not.
Re: Concerns thanks, saved me the trouble thread-starter - april is a busy time for alot of people in RL with exams and work and whatnot. protest numbers are bound to fluctuate. don't worry about the numbers, stay on target.
Re: Concerns You know, what OP - you already tried this before. Right after 4/12, you came in here with "we should really be worried about this, c'mon guise, we should talk about this. Why is this happening?" Once again - shut the fuck up. Numbers don't mean SHIT. You have no fucking clue what the variables are - the demographics of the various protest sites - the literally countless variations in personal schedules, private lives, etc. - OR what other active protests are going on before, during and after each monthly worldwide protest. You are once more trying to be negative and devisive. Don't come back here with shit about how "I showed this one website to so many people. I do lots of stuff. How can you question my loyalty? Wah." Bullshit. This isn't about loyalty. This is about shutting fuck up about things you don't know about and things that just don't matter. You know what? - fuck all of you. Go ahead and quit - every single one of you. And I'll STILL be there on 5/10. With or without you, I'll be there. I'm not doing this for you. I'm not even doing this for me. I'm doing it because it needs to be done. You want to pee yourself in sorrow because "numbers" are down - fuck off, pussy. With that mentality, I seriously doubt you EVER went to a protest in real life. Now, STAY THE FUCK ON TARGET!!!!
Re: Concerns It's a legit question. Not something I particularly worry about or anything though. Take a look at the KINDS of stories that are beginning to get covered in the press (as opposed to the earlier, "oooh who are these people in masks?" stories). My .02 worth: I think the honeymoon is over. The people who were in it strictly for the attention have since wandered off to whore for more of it elsewhere. Cool. Bye-bye. Some of them will be back the next time a particularly lulzy opportunity presents itself. Some are gone for good. What's left? People who can stomach the long haul. I'm still expecting my ration of lulz, but between mouthfuls of caek I am satisfied with locking my jaws firmly onto Scientology's annoying yet meaty ass. Like a fucking pitbull. Like the other 5,000 pitbulls.
Re: Concerns I agree its a legit question. It shouldn't cause people to spin into a panic, but OVERALL the topic of "keeping attendance up" is a good one. Anyone who's only there for lulz may only come back when they are bored of other shit, or if there's a "theme" they like. Other new outsiders CAN and WILL join, but that DOES require that the Anonchans learn to play nice, which may not happen, ever. Ya know, those faggots, and jews, and faggot jews, and catholic priests, and mormons, and such who don't play for lulz ever. Mebbe one idea is protests in LESS cities, but seeing if folks are willing to travel. Philly to New York. SF to LA. St. Louie to KC. Stuff that distance. Prolly not, but who knows? Total numbers won't be bigger in total that way, but there can't be a downside to seeing bigger crowds (spread across a whole day, or maybe even a whole weekend) in central locations. Mebbe the opposite is better--people just raid when they want, whenever they want, whatever is convenient in their own local city. That will get more people in total, because its easier to plan for what's the best time for 100 people, than for 8000. Hot weather ain't gonna help. July and August are gonna be empty. Nothing to be done. Mebbe rent a park nearby and have a BBQ. People LOVE BBQs!
Re: Concerns Issue with turnout has been said to be exam time, etc. This time of year a lot of people are busy. Again, not been going on long enough to draw a conclusion or trend... As for ramping more people. MOAR CAKE!!
Re: Concerns Speaking from the experience of my own country it does seem that the freeloaders/wasters/twats have stopped attending the protests - although to be fair they only really turned up to the first one. I am not convinced such a drop is that much of a problem, particularly if the useless element is gone. The protests are about getting the message out to the public and that can be done whether there is 150 or 50 people there - and in some cases it is easier to do with the 50 if they are the committed portion. With the summer coming and the good weather I expect to see those numbers rise a bit though. To be frank about it quite a number of people turned up "for the laugh" and for no other purpose. I am not sad to see such go. We can have laughs, ceak and all manner of shenanigans to keep the spirits up - but ultimately we are trying to remove a dangerous €ult from our society. That requires effort that some people just are not prepared to put in. To paraphrase from /i/ -> We need our talkers not our clowns. [size=-5]<rant>I really used to fucking hate Anonymous posting but I now see its benefits. In the arena of Anonymous posting the retorts and rebuttals are harsher, they can be cruel and unforgiving. In such an apparently hostile environment, at first seemingly incompatible with free discussion and planning, only the best ideas will survive.</rant>[/size]
Re: Concerns I think that attendance at the once a month protest isn't that important if it's made up by flash raids and other activities. As many anonymous has already told me, the point is not just to do this, but to have fun doing it, and so I must agree!
Re: Concerns we're not a flock of birds we're a herd of cats all different kinds of cats with all different kind of wants and needs and goals lurk moar
Re: Concerns ...i'm relatively new, i've only attended one monthly protest so far but i'm looking forward to lots more. i think that even if the big lump sum attending the monthlies keeps dropping, it's not a big deal -- there are still plenty of people there to inform the public once a month, get the Co$ to shut down once a month, and keep hammering away at them. there may be people dropping out -- but there are people dropping in, too. if some of you feel like every month is too much and your resources would be better used coming up with more creative and surprising and attention-drawing stunts, please do come up with them -- like i said, i'm new to this and i think it may be a long time before i have any good ideas like you guys come up with. i'm happy to hold the signs and pass out fliers until you get back... tl;dr -- it doesn't have to be one or the other, it can be both and will probably work all the better for it. we don't all have to march in the same battalion to win the war.
Re: Concerns We are Scientology's period. We come every month. Sometimes, it's a heavy flow, sometimes it's not. Look how few people the Old Guard had, for so many years. As long as we are out there inoculating people against this poisonous cult, and as long as people know that there is a force that is protesting the cult, then I think that's enough, and although great numbers help out with the "epic" feeling, in the end, what really matters is that whomever shows up to the protests keeps showing up. Flash raids, hug raids, pamphleting, postering, post cards being sent... Government and media contacts being made... There are so many projects in the works. The mass flesh raids started it, and I hope they keep going, but from this foundation, a thousand great things have been spawned, whether or not attendance is up, down, or finally hits a level average.
Re: Concerns Well, the only thing this thread is good for is actually calming down fags (and by that i mean anons) who are getting skiddish about our numbers. So here goes: 1st off, how woud you really know what our numbers are? All we have are rough estimates, and the number of anons is hard to estimate, being that we are anonymous. 2nd While i think there were less protesters last time (as i said, its kinda hard to tell) were learning to do more with less. As in, we manage to attract more attention, raise more awareness 3rd the new and exiting frontier- flash raids dosent need alot of anons, but it does need competent anons. What is actually a valid question- how many of the anons on the protest you were at didnt knew squat about Scientology? And how many of them spend more time chating with eachother that actually fliering/chanting/waving signs/doing something usefull Whats the point of 400 anons when only 10 of them are active?
Re: Concerns Yes, what's the point of 40 000 anons manifesting when you can have 1000 anons instead. the point is that bigger your number is, bigger the media exposure is gonna be. And that, is more efficient than a bunch of people giving flyers for 2 hours.
Re: Concerns 1. we don't have hard numbers 2. so what if we did? we have no fucking clue what patterns in attendance are going to be 3. in the US feb had some of the worst weather nationwide in decades 4. BBBBBBBBBBBBBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW less get more people to protest MORE
Re: Concerns OP again Good to hear all this feedback. I agree with most of what was said and I request the deletion of the thread as it served is purpose. Thanks. If it's not closed it's not a big deal but it is kinda disheartening to see it there.
Re: Concerns there were bad turn outs everywhere. we have to remember anonymous or at least some anonymous work for a living or had importatnt dates to keep. :wbm:
Re: Concerns And some just hate moralfags fucking up a good troll of scientology. By some I mean most REAL anons. Not you fucking newfags.
Re: Concerns OP He's also wrong. I've been to protests and I've been with Anon for a long time. Anon should stop bitching towards eachother about morality and protesting and the likes and just stay on target like you said.
Re: Concerns before Chanology was even started there were BAAAAAWWWWWWfags faggoting up every thread with their faggotry
