Continuing the Big List of THOUSANDS of Former Members Who Spoke Out

Also added the blog post mentioned by Bruce: https://www.mikerindersblog.org/what-about-the-e-meter/#menu-item-23116

Just leaving this here.

https://exscn2.net/threads/wanting-out-and-the-fear-of-disconnection.1789/post-52503

Ever since I wrote the article at John P. Capitalists' blog I point people to it so I don't have to explain the story of the big list.

Can we have a link to it on the big list itself (in the introduction)?

Something like: this link gives more details about the history of the big list

and then point to:

http://www.reasoned.life/2018/02/spotlight-on-anonymous-big-list/

It's a great article as far as the historic details go.

Umm.. there's just one thing.. incorrect old and soon to be broken links!: all the "Big List" links (and the link to the disconnection list in the "How the List Is Used Today" section, plus three other list links in the last paragraph of the "Coordinating with Other Lists" section) from that article are to wikia.com and it's relying on an active redirect to the current URL which is wikia.org but those redirects will all fail when the .com domain registration expires and the links will be broken. Both the "Qualifying a Name for Publication" and the "How to Contribute and How to Use the List" sections link to a previous WWP forum thread instead of this one for the latest updates. Finally the link to contact you at ESMB will need to change to www.exscn2.net

Are you able to get the article updated/edited with those URLs corrected? Otherwise I fear people clicking it who try to use it as a tutorial for adding names may become frustrated at all the breakage and give up.

^ I asked John P. if that can be done. I'll get back to you. (Another idea might be to create a page on the wiki, copy the story, and fix the links.)

A question: have we ever thought of including dr. Winter? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Doctor's_Report_on_Dianetics

I got the question over at ESMB 2: https://exscn2.net/threads/wanting-out-and-the-fear-of-disconnection.1789/post-52591

We have, and decided against it as he was gone before Scientology existed, so was certainly never a "former Church of Scientology member".

I can see you are working on a page with all documentaries.

Let me know if I can help

Haven't looked at it in detail but this might help https://rutube.ru/video/person/1306538/?ordering=-created_ts

Also https://exscn2.net/threads/list-of-scientology-documentaries.1816/ and Bunker comment https://tonyortega.org/2020/08/24/d...l-case-in-new-civil-brief/#comment-5043807384

Ack! You caught it before I was finished adding the Aftermath episodes.. it's just time-consuming getting/uploading/adding in the thumbnails/summaries from IMDB, and I'm doing a little magic with links to archived versions of the videos from avalonlibrary.net/?dir=Leah_Remini_Scientology_and_the_Aftermath which also takes time but some are missing from there so thanks for the rutube link

One thing you can help with is testing if this magic link to Going Clear plays well or at all in various web browsers, both on desktop and mobile. I usually just ensure they work in Firefox.

A few additions I got from Jens Tingleff

French. I don't suppose you understand French? I'll ask if he can give some additional info here.

Now this is nice

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLQrA2h6HpcrlxgOMIeFGNVibzqe-ldW2m

/r/ thread for big list of COS documentaries.

Also https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=scientology documentary

I'll be limiting the documentary list to current or pending entries on IMDB over 15 minutes in length and with more than just "talking heads" production, avoiding shorter single segments of a news show and single person interviews (excepting those that won an emmy). Other pages on the wiki can list those, such as the List of Today Tonight Scientology Videos.

Yay!

Alissa Haggis
https://truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/a/alissa-haggis.html
https://tonyortega.org/2020/08/31/l...ps-episode-that-was-spiked-by-aussie-network/

Video Waybacked

Looks like OCMB is back up

http://ocmb.xenu.net/ocmb/

I need a little help.

The Amsterdam org started a YT channel. I downloaded the video (link from where I downloaded below) but I'd like the vid also to be somewhere safe on the net. Waybackmachine?



https://exscn2.net/threads/amsterdam-org-starts-yt-channel.1863/

Tristan Silverman
https://tonyortega.org/2020/09/04/s...by-aussie-network-witness-x-is-leaked-online/
https://truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/t/tristan-silverman.html

also e.g. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/scientology-children-second-generation-846732/

Waybacked video

That was really quick!!!

Tristan's episode is up

https://tonyortega.org/2020/09/11/s...ith-bizarre-kidnap-attempt-in-broad-daylight/

Don't think I ever saw this before

http://childrenofscientology.com/

Video Waybacked

Laura Tull

https://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/l/laura-tull.html

She tells about her experiences, and even mentions her above completions record.

Laura responded to my post below her video giving some more details.

I can see her comments by going to the video and sort comments by 'newset first'.

This post: https://whyweprotest.net/goto/post?id=2787063#post-2787063

Also

Halli Roeyer already on funded another campaign

https://www.gofundme.com/f/infiltrating-scientology-series-finale-stunt

This post https://whyweprotest.net/goto/post?id=2787074#post-2787074

I know you're always busy checking and resurrecting links and all that!

Would it be useful to check for broken links by that automated tool? Does that help nowadays?

Noob at internet tools and wiki here. I just remember that I pointed this out in the past every now and then and it gave results to correct.

Good idea! Starting with A we've lost the original Swedish article for Patrik Andersson:
http://www.gt.se/nyheter/1.1680624/livet-i-sekten-rena-tortyren
OR
http://gt.expressen.se/nyheter/1.16...en?viewstyle=print&standAlone=true&textStrl=1

and we've lost the original Spanish criminal complaint by Daniel Asse:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/48386908/Daniel-Asse-vs-Church-of-Scientology-Mexico-Jan-2011

In both cases we have links to this forum's English translations.

Under B we lost the only link for Truman Bolinger, yet another PDF gone because we relied on scribd to have it, and scribd is unwaybackable:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/48287109/Scientology-Memoirs-Miscellaneous-Affidavits
DO NOT TRUST SCRIBD! Attach PDFs to posts on this forum for at least one backup.
This time I found a text version backed up on xenu-library (which gave us a scare earlier this year but is waybackable).

We also lost a Village Voice article comment by David Braverman, they were using Livefyre at the time and the wayback machine wasn't backing up comments fast enough given the popularity of Ortega's blog then. We could have attached a screenshot of the comment to a post about it on this forum but weren't as vigilant about it as we are now, something to keep in mind as vital to continue doing.

Let me know if I can somehow help.

Under D we've lost text of an email by Tim Daigle from the ESMB site somehow, two URLs to it:
http://forum.exscn.net/posts/47963/
http://www.forum.exscn.net/archive/index.php/t-24-p-2.html

I did find a Youtube video interview link for him instead, but that email would still be good to have.
Happy hunting!

Under F we lost a blog post by Mark K.Foster telling his story, apparently blogspot content is unwaybackable due to overuse of javascript:
https://markfretless.blogspot.com/2019/09/once-upon-time.html

Checked and searched different ways. No luck. On ESMB 2 sent a PM to Emma (admin for the old and archived ESMB) and PirateAndBum (the ESMB 2 admin).

Asked him via Disqus, which is the commenting software Tony Ortega uses. He doesn't post often there so it may take some time.

Any idea how long ago these threads existed on ESMB?

RIghtOn's post about it is May 12, 2010 (something about Ron's Org)

Under J we lost a 2013 MSNBC video of Haydn James, Katrina James and Mary Lucy James all speaking out: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/50502469#50502469
It's Flash-based video so it likely died a while back, and all three names have at least one other link to speaking out.

Concerning the Tim Daigle and Mark Foster links I haven't heard back (yet?).

A suggestion for lost video from big news corporations might be to delete the link, but still maintain the text of it, like 'did a video interview with journalist x of organisation y in year z'. It then becomes a mention of speaking out like a reference to a book of paper article - for which there also isn't always a link available. People wanting to verify the proof might have to go to the news corporation itself and ask for their archives. (Or maybe the link is only available in an archive that's only accessible through a paywall.)

Too far a stretch? Thoughts?

Wherever there is a transcript of the interview I link to that instead, because that's the actual content. Even then I don't delete the dead video link, I just put it in a html comment in the source. I'm always on the lookout for any uploads of the interview in question to Youtube for linking to, and depending on rarity I'll usually create an archive copy. To do otherwise it'd have to be the main or only example of speaking out, and we'd not only need the journalist's name, we'd need the exact date and the affiliate of the company that aired the interview. For example the Phil and Willie Jones billboard interview wasn't just on NBC, it was on NBC4 (and that video link is to a mirror copy). We can't be making it difficult to get directly to one type of content when another type (like an unofficial transcript at a random blog) already has it, or an extra working link quotes from it.

I despise paywall linked articles where the prices never justify the length of content and use whatever means necessary to find alternative links directly to (mirrors of) the content. Also with books people can always either be one click away from buying a cheap used copy or get enough of a sample/preview of the author's content via amazon or google books (or if it's a bestseller just finding a pirate copy) plus they can often read excerpts already online from reviews (like Tony Ortega's blog excerpting whole chapters, I need to link to more of those). Sadly none of these options exist for news videos unless we grab a copy of it during it's limited time online.

^ Makes sense. Thanks.

Moshe Wilbushewich
https://scnil.org/english/moshe-goes-through-the-wall-of-fire/

Tami Lemberger already on is his sister

and

Monica Helpert
https://scnil.org/english/aviv-on-tour-new-jersey-2020/#comment-6834
https://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/m/monica-helpert.html
https://www.truthaboutscientology.com/stats/by-name/m/monika-helpert.html

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