Current US Narconon Centers ~ Let's Help Shut Them ALL Down!

Discussion in 'Projects' started by RightOn, Apr 20, 2012.

  1. RightOn Member

    tis beautiful stuff ^^ thanks!

    and again about Destin, Fla, mentioned in my previous post, (#8 and link to story)
    they never wanted the center set up there to begin with and the state allowed them in. Now this new info can about Canada and France can be passed to them and then they can take it up with the people who licensed them to be there in the first place.
    So we may or may not already have a"foor in the door" with some of the residents of Destin already.

    And don't forget that Dr. Adi is a Scientologist himself along with his wife.
  2. RightOn Member

    someone suggested to me...
    that a proven method for a presntation is...
    if you have 10 bullet points on the front,
    the back should have only 5 paragraphs MAX
    The percentage of people that read the front is 80% and 60% read the back with this format.
    That is pretty impressive stats.
    Do not know if this is at al helpful to anyone who wants to use a format like that.

    Also other things to mention....
    you may want to mention exactly what the treatment is that Narconon uses.
    2,600- to up to 5,000 mgs of Niacin a day , which can be deadly for someone with a compromised liver which many alcoholics and drug addicts already have.
    5 hours of sauna a day for many days
    they start out with 2 tbls of oil a day and lessen it if the patient gets diareeha
    And also that this is an exact carbon copy of Scientology's Purification Rundown
    Also mention the cost which can be $30,000

    Meds are taken away and communication is cut off. no computers or access to computers. (thanks for posting this Moarxenu)
    I know other centers take cell phones away at night. (according to the TV show I saw with Dr. Drew, yeah I know it is a fake ass TV show..)
    But patients do have access to them.

    *also former employees of the narconon of Quebec said several attemted suicides went unreported!*
    maybe you can provide a link to the translated article.

    the fact that they also use the teachings of L Ron Hubbard
    maybe you can include a couple of choice facts on Hubbard?
    "The only want to control people is to lie to them" ( should include the reference to this , do not have it on hand)
    military and schools records were "pumped up" and have been totally debunked
    include a pic of his fake war medals?

    In other words give them a neat little packet of info including the dissemntation picture of the COS org with arrows point to Narconon.
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  3. whitesand Member

    This is more of a question than a comment.

    I wonder where the NNs get their referrals from? If the referral sources can be hindered, that would help. I hope government agencies are not referring to NN.

    I've also heard that some people make a percentage of the $30,000 NN cost if they refer to them. This entices them to exaggerate (lie) about the benefits of the program. I suppose this is legal, but in some professions (mine) it is not legal to take money for a referral.
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  4. RightOn Member

    listed in a previous post:

    The Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration U.S. Department of Health and Human Services lists Scientology's Narconons on their website of official treatment centers.
  5. RightOn Member

    hey moar, one moar thing
    David Love is headed to OK? right?
    Maybe some can work on OK and some on Fla?

    Maybe some should concentrate on Florida since the cult's Mecca is there?
    Hopefully if there are any negative articles written about Narconons in Fl, (SP Times to the white courtesy phone please!)
    they will mention that they use the teachings of Scientology founder L Ron Hubbard and this can paint a bad picture for COS.
    Which would be a double wammy?
  6. Anonymous Member

    Compiling all the suggestions so far.....

    How about a systematic information campaign? The goal being to let people know how Scientology's Narconon is harmful. At this point it would not yet be official complaints, just laying the groundwork for them. This would also help gauge which states are more receptive so as to focus on them first. It will help find local allies as well who know the system and can help.

    step 1: We put together a standard e-booklet that exposes all the salient facts about how Narconon is medically ineffective and dangerous as found by various official medical authorities around the world. This booklet is aimed at professionals and its tone should be calm and thoughtful. It should present irrefutable information only.

    step 2: For each of Scientology's Narconon locations, find a list of the relevant local authorities' emails to send the e-booklet to. Not only the ones with the power to shut them down, but also authorities that can be supportive: state medical boards, local hospitals, local police, state police, local news - papers/radio/tv, local schools, local politicians, state politicians, local drug rehabs.

    step 3: Followup on responses with a heavy-duty information packet and find out how to file an official complaint. We will probably need a victim from each state who will be willing to complain officially and who refuses a settlement from Scientology's Narconon.

    step 4: profit

    This is a huge project that will require a lot of work and dedication to succeed.
    We may need a new thread for each state to keep our efforts organized.
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  7. AnonNoxMetus Member

    I called them yesterday, and the lady I spoke with said she believes that in order to be listed at SAMHSA you have to be certified through:

    I also called this number, and was going to request some information on the certification process (requirements for SAMSHA referral) and was directed to the voice mail for an M.D., the name of whom I didn't catch. My unique situation precludes having a non voice-mail number, so perhaps someone else could follow up with gathering the certification information.
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  8. Anonymous Member

    From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    The Center for Substance Abuse Treatment (CSAT) is an agency of the United States government. It is a part of the Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA), within the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS). CSAT was established in October 1992 with a Congressional mandate to expand the availability of effective treatment and recovery services for alcohol and drug problems. CSAT supports a variety of activities aimed at fulfilling its mission:
    • To improve the lives of individuals and families affected by alcohol and drug abuse by ensuring access to clinically sound, cost-effective addiction treatment that reduces the health and social costs to our communities and the nation.
    CSAT works with States and community-based groups to improve and expand existing substance abuse treatment services under the Substance Abuse Prevention and Treatment Block Grant Program. CSAT also supports SAMHSA’s free treatment referral service to link people with the community-based substance abuse services they need. Because no single treatment approach is effective for all persons, CSAT supports the nation's effort to provide multiple treatment modalities, evaluate treatment effectiveness, and use evaluation results to enhance treatment and recovery approaches.
    The current director of CSAT is H. Westley Clark, M.D., J.D., M.P.H., C.A.S., F.A.S.A.M.
  9. Anonymous Member
    Center for Substance Abuse Treatment (CSAT)
    What does CSAT do?

    CSAT promotes the quality and availability of community-based substance abuse treatment services for individuals and families who need them. CSAT works with States and community-based groups to improve and expand existing substance abuse treatment services under the Substance Abuse Prevention and Treatment Block Grant Program. CSAT also supports SAMHSA's free treatment referral service to link people with the community-based substance abuse services they need.
    How does CSAT help people?

    CSAT's initiatives and programs are based on research findings and the general consensus of experts in the addiction field that, for most individuals, treatment and recovery work best in a community-based, coordinated system of comprehensive services. Because no single treatment approach is effective for all persons, CSAT supports the nation's effort to provide multiple treatment modalities, evaluate treatment effectiveness, and use evaluation results to enhance treatment and recovery approaches.
    How can I contact CSAT?

    You can contact CSAT by phone at 240-276-1660 or by fax at 240-276-1670.
    Who is the Director of CSAT and how is CSAT organized?

    H. Westley Clark, M.D., J.D., M.P.H., CAS, FASAM (biography) is the Director of CSAT and there is an organization chart available for more information on the structure, staff and offices of CSAT.
    Does CSAT have a National Advisory Council?

    Yes, please see the CSAT National Advisory Council page for more information about the council and its charter.
  10. Anonymous Member

    CSAT lieks science, so let's give them some science.
  11. Anonymous Member

    The Center for Substance Abuse Treatment (CSAT) National Advisory Council was established under Section 502 of the Public Health Service Act, as amended (42 U.S.C. 290aa-1). It was originally chartered on December 9, 1992 in accordance with P.L. 92-463, as amended (5 U.S.C. Appendix 2).
    The Council shall advise, consult with, and make recommendations to the Secretary, the SAMHSA Administrator and the CSAT Director concerning matters relating to the activities carried out by and through the Center, and the policies respecting such activities.
    The Advisory Council may, on the basis of material provided, make recommendations to the Director of the Center with respect to activities conducted at the Center; shall review applications submitted for grants and cooperative agreements for activities requiring Council approval under 504(c) (2) of the Public Health Service Act and recommend for approval applications for projects that show promise of making valuable contributions to the Center’s mission; and may review any grant proposed to be made or entered into by the organization.
    The Advisory Council may collect, by correspondence or personal investigation, information on studies and services that are being carried on in the United States or any other country related not only to the issues of substance abuse and mental illness, but also to issues linked to diseases, disorders or other aspects of human health with respect to the mission of SAMHSA and its Centers. With the approval of the Director of the Center, the Council shall make such information available through appropriate publications for the benefit of public and private health entities and health professions personnel, and the general public. The Advisory Council may appoint subcommittees and convene workshops and conferences.
    Management and support services for the CSAT National Advisory Council are provided by the Center for Substance Abuse Treatment.
  12. Anonymous Member

    Council Roster


    H. Westley Clark, M.D., J.D., M.P.H., CAS, FASAM
    Center for Substance Abuse Treatment
    Rockville, Maryland
    Designated Federal Official

    Cynthia A. Graham, M.S.
    Public Health Analyst
    Center for Substance Abuse Treatment
    Rockville, Maryland
    Current Members

    Abdelwahhab Alawneh, M.A.
    Arab & Middle East Resources (AMERC)
    Dearborn, Michigan
    Victor A. Capoccia, Ph.D.
    University of Wisconsin, CHESS, NIATx
    Watertown, Massachusetts
    Arthur C. Evans, Jr., Ph.D.
    Department of Behavioral Health and Mental Retardation Services
    Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
    Emmitt W. Hayes, Jr.
    Probation Services Division
    Travis County Juvenile Probation Department
    Austin, Texas
    Elizabeth Howell, M.D.
    Associate Professor of Psychiatry
    University of Utah
    Neuropsychiatric Institute
    Salt Lake City, Utah
    Leighton Y. Huey, M.D.
    Interim Associate Dean for Continuing/ Community Medical Education
    University of Connecticut School of Medicine
    Farmington, Connecticut
    Marco E. Jacome, M.A., LPC, CSADC, CEAP
    Chief Executive Officer
    Healthcare Alternative Systems, Inc.
    Chicago, Illinois
    Jeanne Miranda, Ph.D.
    Department of Psychiatry & Biobehavioral Sciences at UCLA
    Los Angeles, California
    Allison Sage, M.S.W.
    Tribal Health Director
    Northern Arapaho Tribe
    Ethete, Wyoming
    Gilbert Sudbeck, M.A.
    Division of Alcohol and Drug Abuse
    South Dakota Department of Human Services
    Pierre, South Dakota
    Christine Wendel, M.B.A.
    New Mexico Behavioral Health Planning Council
    Santa Fe, New Mexico
    Ex- Officio Members

    The Honorable Kathleen Sebelius
    Department of Health and Human Services
    Washington, D.C.
    Pamela S. Hyde, J.D.
    Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration
    Rockville, Maryland
    John P. Allen, Ph.D., MPA
    Associate Chief Consultant for Addictive Disorders
    Office of Mental Health Services
    Department of Veterans Affairs
    Washington, DC
    Captain Ronald E. Smith, M.D.
    National Naval Medical Center
    Attention: Psychiatry Department
    Bethesda, Maryland
  13. Anonymous Member

  14. I have written them before. Basically, if the center is licensed in their state, SAMHSA will list them.
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  15. Anonymous Member

    Maybe we can convince them that Scientology's Narconon locations should be delisted regardless of what each state does. What are they good for if they will refuse to take any action against a drug rehab group that they have information about being medically dangerous? It is not acceptable to let them pass the buck.
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  16. Anonymous Member

    As a linguist, I picked up the lingo and actually heard it used at Magoo's parties. Now I speaks fluent clam.
  17. I wouldn't discourage anyone from writing. It's possible that after all of the recent attention, someone might listen.

    The state agencies have not been able to monitor Narconon effectively, at all.
  18. anon walker Moderator

    Narconon has a slew of websites that appear to be referral sites not linked to NN. But they ONLY refer people to Narconons. I think this is, in part, basis for the GA state RICO charge.
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  20. pooks Member

    Irc correctly, Jeff Jacobsen got the Lisa McPherson story exposed due to looking at the Clearwater Police logs for the Fort Harrison address. He then followed up on it and the story is now known. Scn would have happily continued if Jeff never saw that police log. The Lisa story would be buried along with her remains.

    My idea on getting police logs from the local towns would be to further document and expose deaths, drugs, rapes and general criminal activity that goes on in Narconon. I think that it's an area that needs to be looked into, I just don't know exactly how to go about it.

    I like your idea of calling the local town's officials, media people, as might give us an idea of how NN is perceived and if they've been trouble to the community or not.

    I also think that if we get juicy stories that are newsworthy, we should leak them to Tony O.
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  21. moarxenu Member

    Louisiana Drug Rehab Opens Its Doors

    Since the mid-seventies, Cathy and Tom Steiner, directors of Narconon Louisiana New Life Retreat, have been helping people improve their quality of life. As fully trained counselors and business administration executives, they have operated and trained others to administer organizations around the world.
    In response to hurricanes Katrina and Rita, the Steiners, along with Baton Rouge physician, Rohit Adi, and Kelley Keeney, stepped up to organize and mobilize over 1,000 volunteers for the relief effort. There were several incidents during that time that changed the Steiners viewpoint of what their community needed.




    "What struck me," said Cathy, "was the number of people who were practically going psychotic from withdrawal or just the fear of withdrawal. It was unbelievable to see what these regular, nice people did to get those drugs. It gave us a snapshot of how big the drug problem really was, and we knew it wasn't just here in Louisiana!"
    Within months, Cathy and Tom, along with their Medical Director, Rohit Adi, and Kelley Keeney, put together the plan for a residential drug treatment center. Nine months later, Narconon Louisiana New Life Retreat, nick-named Riverbend, opened its doors.
    One of the speakers at the Grand Opening Event on November 11, 2006, was Michael Duffy, Director of Office of Addictive Disorders for the State of Louisiana. He said, "On behalf of the State of Louisiana and Department of Health and Hospitals, we certainly want to welcome Narconon® to Louisiana. Our state, as many states across this nation, faces an overwhelming problem of addiction. We too have as our mission to address addiction in our state, both treatment and prevention, and we welcome any partner--any and all partners."
    He continued, "I was sharing with someone, prior to the Grand Opening today, that in the state of Louisiana we have an average of 1500 people a day on a waiting list to access 24-hour care. We have a problem that far surpasses our ability to address the problem, so on behalf of the state of Louisiana, we welcome you as partners in sharing in the struggles of those who suffer from addiction in our state. We thank you for your assistance."
    The emcee of the event was Larry Trahant, a Narconon graduate and staff member for over three decades. Also speaking was Teddy Chambers, Narconon graduate, and staff of Narconon International who not only spoke to the crowd, but made a point of speaking directly to the Narconon students in attendance. She reminded them that L. Ron Hubbard has given them the exact technology to successfully free themselves from drug addiction, and that technology is the key to their success, enabling them to make positive, self-determined decisions and be able to complete the program and live successful, productive drug-free lives. In closing, a Narconon graduate gave a very moving speech about the amazing changes he went through as a result of the program.
    This beautiful center sits on about 12 acres. There are two houses for the students--one for the men and the other for the women. Another building contains a lounging area, huge kitchen, and space where the students and staff eat. Additionally, there is a swimming pool outside with the sauna next to it. What a great place to put your life back together!
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  22. RightOn Member

    likewise with area hospitals?
    Can someone ask if any patients were admitted from Narconon?
    I mean you are not asking for specific names or anything, just any instances.
  23. DeathHamster Member

    Narconon news dump:
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  24. DeathHamster Member

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  26. DeathHamster Member

    I have copies on anything that's gone or behind pay walls.
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  27. RightOn Member

    Kelly Keeney is also a Scientologist and in COS completions (been on Freewinds 3 times lol)

    Teddy Chambers a graduate, is now listed as a Scientologist in COS completions
    he is listed as a celebrtiy

    he started in COS in 1995, and this Grand Opening they are speaking at was in 2006.
    So, it's a little deceptive? They make it sound like Teddy Chambers just graduated?

    also Larry Trahant (graduate) is listed in COS completions as a celebrity, founding patron and patron and Clear No. 15,946 LA.
    COS completions shows he started COS courses in 1990.
    That is 22 years ago.
    The article posted by Moarxenu above states that Larry has been a graduate and staff for over three decades.
    He has a cookie cutter scilon "what Scientollogy did for me" page
    "Scientology completely changed my life. I had a severe drug problem from 1971 to 1977. "

    COS completions:
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  28. RightOn Member

    Utah news report 2007, it talks about the usage of oil and Hubbard.
    It was called the New Life Center, not Narconon.
    good stuff to use for a reference link.

    Analeis Calder (liar sack of shit) interviewed and denied any ties with COS.
    and it mentions Narconon.
    Their license was not renewd. :)
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  29. DeathHamster Member

    This one seems relevant to our interests, but I can't find an existing thread for it (gotta be one):
    Did they settle or is it still plodding through the courts? Helping connect people who are angry about being scammed would useful.

    Threads elsewhere:
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  30. RightOn Member

    I thought I read somewhere that this case was settled?

    here is a BUTT load of cases listed here.
    wow what a great reference for court cases
  31. Zak McKracken Member

    One thing to mention, when you guys start pooning.
    It's little, but a thing you might trip on.

    NN Arrowhead is in Oklahoma, USA.
    NN Arrowhead is NOT in Canada.
    NN Arrowhead is NOT Canadian.
    NN Arrowhead is in Canadian.,_Oklahoma
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  32. DeathHamster Member

    If it hasn't been settled, then it's barely started:
    "Danette Elliott vs. Narconon, Case# CISCV 171600 - filed 07/14/2011, Case Management Hearing 03/13/2012, 8:29 AM, DEPT. 5."
  33. RightOn Member

    perhaps you are right.
    I looked around on th ent again and what I think I read was that "Narconon will settle like they do with all their cases"
    This thread has a lot of good stuff, and also some of your posts that you posted here
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  34. RightOn Member

    Hawaii would be a tough one to work on me thinks. The Travoltas set that place up and it's Kelly's hometown and her parents live there or something.
    There is such a GIANT meth problem (ice) on that island. (just ask Dog the Bounty Hunter lol)
    Maybe Dog can confirm that there is just as many addicts now as there ever was on that island. lol
    If Narconon was so wonderful.... Dog wouldn't be as busy.
  35. RightOn Member

    ok on to Mi
    Narconon Freedom Treatment Center
    Michigan Drug and Alcohol Rehab

    Residential drug rehab facility
    809 W. Erie Street
    Albion, MI 49224
    Is Eric Tenorio still the director? there are some Tenorios in COS completions, but no Eric.
    There is a HUGE complaint on Rip Off rerport from 2010 where it names Eric Tenorio as the director.
    I wish these people who complained got themselves a lawyer.
    Complaining on the Rip Off Report is not getting NN in any trouble with authorities.

    A very small excerpt from the complaint:
    So I guess when you call Michigan Drug Rehab, you get a call back by the "Narconon Freedom Center" from two head honchos from DC?

    "Unknown to her and I it is run by Scientologist and says in phone book, Drug A ABLE (Association for Better Living & Education that owns Narconon that is run by Scientology) 24 hour Help Line & Accredited Drug Treatment 800-413-4954 and Drug A 24 hr Abuse Access Helpline & Drug Rehab Referral 800-413-4936.
    Two people call and say Narconon Freedom Center in MI is the best in the country one being Jeannie Trahart, 02 Deputy Exe Director Scientology for Expansion in WA DC and another we find out is Nick Thiel who both work for Scientology and Narconon"

    I think she meant Jeanne Trahant instead of Trahart. Any relation to former NN patient Larry Trahant? hmmm
    Jeanne Trahant in COS completions of course.

    Jeanne Trahant
    Treasurer, Narconon International, Los Angeles, CA. States on personal website that she is Program Director of Narconon.
    Lawrence "Larry" Trahant
    Formerly Executive Director, Narconon International, Los Angeles, CA
    Also Executive Director, Narconon Southern California

    States on personal website that he joined Scientology, through Narconon, then went on to be "an executive over the delivery there".
    Patron of the International Association of Scientologists (i.e. donor of $40,000 to the IAS).
    great link below!
    this link above^^ lists some Narconon perssonel. You may still want to check if they are current.
  36. RightOn Member

    BTW for those who don't know...
    at the tme the above was written in 2010, they state that Narconon has 250 domain names and Drug Referral 800 Lines.
    ok back to MI...
    I found another place that mentions Kenneth Drogorub as the director?
    yes he is in COS completions too
    A Press article (link all the way at bottom) from COS was stating a 70% success rate. tisk tisk!
    And they mention a Bobbie Wiggins who COS says he is a "Certified Chemical Dependency Counselor" lol what?
    And of course Bobbie Wiggins is in COS completions BIG TIME.
    This guy spoke at the elementary/junior high schools near Marshall, Michigan. < poon these schools!

    NN was also a participant at the Harper Creek Optimist Club annual holiday parade in 2009. < may want to keep your eye out again for them to show up again and poon Harper Creek Optimist Club?

    the press release article also also mentions
    "In December 2009 Narconon Freedom Center attended a Healthcare Alliance Holiday Ball as a Century Sponsor"
    contact Healthcare Alliance fill out form:

    Albion Health Care Alliance
    309 North Superior Street
    Albion, MI 49224
    (517) 629-5080

    ^^ I ran all the staff names through COS completions for the hell of it. None were on :)
    And NN is NOT listed as one of their partners or affiliates on the website. :)
    Albion Health Care website:


    link to that 2009 COS press release
  37. RightOn Member

    ok more on Michigan, if you do a search for Narconon MI, one of their titles is
    "The Most Successful Michigan Drug Rehab In The Nation. 70% ..."

    Michigan Governor
    Rick Snyder
    Governor Rick Snyder
    P.O. Box 30013
    Lansing, Michigan 48909
    PHONE: (517) 373-3400
    email :

    Northern Michigan Office
    234 West Baraga Avenue
    Marquette, MI 49855
    (906) 228-2850

    Mayor of Albion
    Joe Domingo (his term expires 12/12)
    contact form: Domingo, Mayor&B=mayor

    other contacts for Albion:
  38. RightOn Member

    all these Narconon centers boasting a 70% success rate and being "the best in the nation".
    If every single center had a 70% success rate, I think drug addiction would have some really huge declining numbers. And we all know this is NOT the case.

    The BB bureau( yeah I know they are a scam, but the general public still thinks they are on the up and up )
    lists Narconon of Michigan as an "A" rating out of A-F
    also :Narconon Freedom Center, Inc. is not BBB Accredited.
    13 complaints closed with BBB in last 3 years | 5 closed in last 12 months
    Advertising / Sales Issues 1
    Billing / Collection Issues 3
    Problems with Product / Service 9
    Billing / Collection Issues
    Problems with Product / Service
    BBB file opened: 06/13/2003
    Business started: 03/16/2002
    New Owner Date: 07/16/2008

    They are stating 55 employees?
    Alternate Business Names: Stonehawk
    Contact Information for NN:
    Primary Contact: Ms. Valerie Kealoha (Director of Legal Affairs)- none of these names listed in COS completions
    Ms. Christina Assante (SDA)
    Mr. Dominick Assante (SDP)
    Mr. Nicholas Thiel (remember they called him NATHAN in that article?)
    Mr. John Walser (Executive Director)
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  39. Xenu Is Lord Member

    One thing I think can help is making a proper argument on safety. I believe it would be of value to contact the manufactures of Niacin pills and ask them to state how their products should be used. Ask them what a dangerous level of Niacin to take is. Not only will we have medical reports on our side but even the manufactures of the pills that are being handed out. I think a solid case of patient abuse can be established.
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  40. Xenu Is Lord Member

    Does anyone have Narconon Doc's that state the amounts of Niacin or other pills they make people take?

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