Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by Anonymous, Nov 25, 2011.
I'm not sure. Only Mary DeMoss knows how far she was involved. Which is why she should talk.
Am I the only one? My impression of that section is that Levy's know the ultimate tech in sales, that to the customer, the promise to get things handled are priceless, so he can fleece away. I read that as a confession rather than justification, well, before Larry's comment anyway.
Since I'm here, justification is what Marty does. He can't open his mouth without saying something wrong. He said LRH doesn't like democracy. he suggests an OT committed to select the new Pope. But everybody knows Ron wrote down in black and white that he supports government that is for the people. Marty still says that Scientology is applied philosophy. If you look at TWTH, any high school student knows that it's not. Some of it is arguably inspired by Mao's little book. I agree with Gerry that it's most subversive. But it's too fail to worry about it.
Yes but there were other members that did not go to that location and even more that had quit before.
Well, since her name is so prominently displayed on LinkedIn and she is involved in campaigning against GMOs and so easily acceissible, maybe somebody can give her a call or email her. And I don't mean Mark Bunker, because he is a sucker for her.
It's actually a very interesting story if Mary is willing to talk. There is no fear for her to face criminal charges. She is obviously not proud of her scientology past. The father of her child has just been declared and has been quite outspoken about it. Who knows? Maybe she will talk if contacted by somebodoy non-aggressive. I mean we don't want to harass her. Somebody will have to ask her nicely to come clean and tell us what happened that night with Lisa McPherson.
I'd hate to think of the mental state someone must be in to just blow, and even worse - the mess she'd have been left in if she 'routed out'. Mary may have good reason to keep quiet - like the cult's omnipresent disconnection policy or even as mentioned a bit of hush-money since she was involved in culty-crimez
Scientology stinks for all sorts of reasons and the silence of once public figures like Mary just reinforces the perception , scary nasty fucked up space alien cult with official bullying manuals. ugh
I personally wish that poor girl all the best, whatever she's doing wherever she's doing it - that *has* to be a happier life than scientology.
I wish she would help get Miscavige jailed. That day is coming.
Welcome to WWP CaseSuperStar!
Yawn.. can someone send this waking ronbot some coffee or something stronger pls? tnks
And thank you for joining us over here in wildlands, I for one wish you all the best.
Thanks! I figure I batted for the other team - let's switch things up!
Wow! Welcome aboard... great to see such rare BRAVERY from a former member!
So, can you help us to expose Miscavige and bring about the long overdue process that will get his sorry little ass in front of a courthouse judge??
I guarantee - you do that, write a book about it, and you'll never want for money again. You'll make more cash than little Davey has.
I should warn you that this forum is sometimes more Brockian Ultra-Cricket than baseball.
Well, I can't speak for Mary, but as for my own point of view, I did find quite a bit of the tech helpful - clearly I must have to throw in for as many years as I did. There is some workablility there especially if you "believe" it. But then, that is true for most things in life - hence the placebo effect. If you've ever read any Carlos Castañeda he puts forth an interesting postulate that goes something like - if a thing gets defined for you, then it is available to your consciousness as a real thing. Scientology supplied for me a means to try to understand WTF life is all about without the "faith" BS that other religions were preaching. So in that sense, to the degree that I believed in it, it worked just fine. I cannot speak of any crazy OT Skillz that I or others may or may not have acquired, but getting auditing (and delivering it too) gave me some of the biggest "wins/cognitions/realizations" that I have ever had. That said, dropping lots of Acid, Mescaline and Shrooms also provided that in the 80's so... (shrugs)
I stayed quiet while I sorted out my internal struggle. I got in for the spiritual side of Scn and then got all wrapped up in the politics and the other sides to the game which distracted me from the fact that I was still a confused Koolaid swilling dude.
These days I'm still as fucked as all get out and nutty to boot, but at least I OWN that. And my level of giving a fuck about things has dropped to a comfortable level (as you will soon see on my own site...)
- well, what I can say is that I will do whatever shit seems interesting to me. I have no grand purpose to SAVE SCIENTOLOGY FROM THE EVIL SPs THAT ARE IN IT!!!
I used to feel that way while the kool-aid was still fresh in my system, but these days I'm more interested in the CULT of ME. Fuck all y'all (unless it interestes me..)
So, don't like sign me up for some shit, but if it tickles my panties I may go for it
Yes, welcome, CaseSuperStar!Awesome that you came!
When I said that stuff about you being a mind-fucked Ronbot and all, it was just an invitation to the party, you understand.
Anyway, about them body-thetans....
The book has indeed been started. Time to milk this cult ride for some caysh of my own!
LOL - no prob dude. I know it was your evil body thetans that made you say such harsh words. BAD BTs BAD BTs. DOWN!
Care for some Cal-Mag?
What you should realize - most folk here have no interest in saving the cult from SP's - the idea is to destroy the cult, utterly, and all the nasty malignant influence of that ugly lying freak LRH.
If you are helpful in assisting Anonymous achieve that end, it's going to work out well. But this won't end until the last Co$ org is closed for good and Gold Base is turned into a theme park.
Or, to do it for the LULZ, as we say here. I came here for the Schadenfreüde.
Feels good, man. Hope you lurk a bit (a lot!) and read some stuff on freeing yourself from cultthink. Squillions of links in this forum.
Stephen Hassan (ex-moonie, rescued by his folks) is generally thought to be worth hearing, especially his deconstructions of the control mechanisms used on you.
btw, any dox on Mary's crimez?
Knowledge report- Afternon finds Mary Demoss hot-he is an ebil SP wog!
Good points, Smurf. Inasmuch as Hubbard preaches "you are fully responsible for everything that happens to you", and the "overt-motivator cycle", Hubbard was quick to blame governments, lawyers, psychologists, psychiatrists, physicians, drug manufacturers, journalists, intelligence agencies, police, "s.p.s", and even hallucinatory "body thetans" for things that happened to him or his business venture called scientology.
Scientologists thus talk and pretend responsibility, but rarely take ownership for any harm they caused anyone else.
They justify that their victim "pulled it in". Remember that empathy, full acceptance and forgiveness do not exist as principles in scientology as they do in real religions like Christianity or Buddhism.
There exist two types of folks who leave scientology, victims and perpetrators. The victims leave because they cannot tolerate the abuse any more and they constitute the majority of departures. The perpetrators leave because they begin to realise they cannot forgive themselves for harm they have caused other people and cannot continue.
Most of the victims recover because it is easier to accept what someone does to you, but most of the perpetrators do not recover, because accepting the fact of inflicting lots of harm is difficult for such people to do. I have rated some perpetrators, both in and out of the CoS who I have known and most score between 10 and 20 on the Psychopathy Checklist. They are not people I would befriend or do business with.
The only things that I have actually seen scientology "work" at are halting or retarding someone's psycho-social development and worsening their anti-social personality disorder. The former happens on prison inmates and the latter was extant in groups like the National Socialist Party of Nazi Germany.
LOL...the ARSCC designed a logo for FART:
Has anyone sent this thread about David DeMoss to Marty yet? I think it should be covered there. Also Tony Ortega might find this a compelling look inside disconnection.
I'm sure that part of the conditioning you don't notice is the subtle training. If something good happens, you credit the tech. If bad, well, you pulled it in, or you've got SPs onlines, or you're PTS. This guarantees that Scientology never gets the blame for bad things that happen to you, even if they happen because you gave them all your money!
Give us an idea of why you were disconnected, if you could please.
I think one of the oddest things about the cult is the disconnection, comparable only to the effect of drugs for its ability to isolate oneself.
Larry Brennan spaketh:
Yes, whatever genius decides to open a detox program, or offers auditing proven to drive susceptible people over the edge, may want to consider this. Independent practitioners practicing unlicensed psychotherapy and medical treatments such as the Purif will be as vulnerable as the weird little preachers selling holy water from a "magic well," blessed with coliform bacteria. When those little quacksters get srsly sued, they lose it all.
Unfortunately, practicing medicine and psychotherapy is inextricably linked to the tech over all. You must undergo the Purif to embark on your life as a Scientologist, and intermittently thereafter. I'm sure the Indies will cling to the argument that these are protected under freedom of religion. They are, but you also have the freedom to sue if you're doing the Purif and your liver flops out and scoots across the sauna floor to wiggle down the drain as well.
It's probably inevitable that some Indie practitioner will step in the marfy and kill someone while playing doctor. When it happens, it'll be like the James "Death" Ray sweat lodge fiasco.
Obviously, the former Mary DeMoss hasn't changed much since leaving the cult. She continues to live a lie. She continues to refer to herself in her resumes as "an award-winning Broadway & off-Broadway actress." There are no links to the New York theatre that show Mary Panton aka Mary DeMoss has ever performed on Broadway or Off-Broadway.
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Her new last name, VonBreck, is fictitious and an obvious attempt on Mary's part to remove herself from her earlier names and the ramifications of her actions when she used the last names "Panton" and "DeMoss."
I am curious how she came up with the name. Perhaps, she uses Breck Shampoo?
On her linked in she is associated with TED! They would eat her alive over Scientology.
You're OK, David. Can you confirm whether Mary's mom is out of Scientology & just keeping it to herself, or is she still active? I hope your son has not been detrimentally affected by all the disconnection BS.
However people may feel about Mary, she's in a better place now doing something constructive in her life than what she was doing in Clearwater.
Nah. THIS is a Breck Girl:
Is this you from 60 years ago?
I understand why she wouldn't want to mention on her CV that she was a Scientologist, I can't blame her for that. Many people don't want to be known as Scientologists or former Scientologists. In fact, there were heated discussions on ESMB whether Christie Wachter should remove names of people of the list of complitions, because nowadays many exes are ashamed for others to know that they were ever associated with the cult.
Something is telling me that now with her husband blowing, a whole new wave of interest in Mary would ensue. I wonder if her GMO friends or employers know that she comes from Scientology moonbat background.
You mean other than the last few pages of this very thread?
That's exactly what I mean. Knowing people from this board, somebody would call her or email her, or email her moonbat videos to TED or her other current associates. She'd better repost that appology she posted long time ago and then removed, because otherwise she is likely to face quite a bit of unwanted attention from Anons.
Why? What do they do? And why would they care that she used to be in Scientology [as opposed to being a current Scientologist?].
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