David DeMoss blows the cult and Facebook Disconnection

I just thought that if the pictures were posted in February 2011, that's when the event is likely took place. Or maybe a few months earlier. These are not pictures from 2005, as Mary definitely looks older on them. Also, if she were out, I don't think she'd be posting with pride pictures from a CCHR event. Preponderance of evidence kind of points in a direction that she is still in or at least is in good standing with Scientology.

They are from 2004. The awards they're holding in the pictures are 2004 CCHR awards.

Proof enough for me that www.ted.com and the Boulder lobby groups need to be warned about this crazy lady before she starts indoctrinating them into the cult.

Dox?

My mistake then about the date of the awards. But still.....posting those pictures in 2011 on her professional site tells you something. It shows she is proud of her CCHR work.

Are you talking about me "David"....or? My mates on Facebook told Sylvain Fournier (OSA prompted),
to cut me off their friends list. My Fiends responded with GFY

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No - David DeMoss is here.

There's only one David Love!

I disagree. Without pressure and precise tactics against the Cult, it will hang in for decades.

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This Anon is certainly looking to speed up the "dwindling spiral" for the cult.
And make no mistake, there will be a need to destroy the smouldering embers and salt the ground upon which it was all built.
This cult will never rise again.

Or...... it shows she wanted pictures to put up to show she has experience and background in that sort of thing. Given two possible explanations, why must we always choose the tinfoily one?

Amen.

http://peopleslobbyist.posterous.com/ look at the pictures. Awards in their hands clearly say 2004.

Because normally people who leave the cult are ashamed of their time there and want to remove all traces of them promoting abuses or simply being members in what is perceived by the general public is a wacky cult. Exes are asking Christie Wacher all the time to delete their names from the list of completions of Scientology courses, because they don't want their potential employers knowing that in the past they adhered to the aliens worshiping quacks. Obviously, Mary deMoss Panton Von Breck doesn't feel this way.

I don't know....she just rubs me the wrong way. She sort of appologized for her behaviour in 2000 and all that bull-baiting, but then she removed her appology from the internet. As Smurf pointed out, she still hangs out with clams or at least has them as her facebook friends. She changes her name constantly. I mean c'mon....she's got to be what? 38? Three different last names in such a short period of time? And she is pushing herself into politics. That's worrisome. I'd rather be safe than sorry. She is a good looking woman who can be quite sharp when on stage. I don't want her elected to any positions in Boulder, until she really says what her deal is with Scientology.

Perhaps she is an indy now?

That would make sense actually.

Ok then, try this on for a lot of reading. It's fun to start 5 years before you joined to see if actually reading those would have prevented you joining.

Wow. What an impressive collection of articles and books. Fuck me.

I shall my trollish friend I shall. IDIC no?

I'm not sure about that. All her resume work is carefully worded to omit mention of CCHR directly. Even the blog in question doesn't mention that these are CCHR appearances. You can only tell that they are by studying the pictures and they're oh-so-familiar to those of us in the know.

So we can say she hides her CCHR stuff because she's stealth now, as some folks said previously or.. we can say she's hiding it because she's ashamed. And when she posts a picture of it, she's not even hiding it which means she's proud...or when she posts pictures of it without mention of CCHR it's because it's relevant to the skillset she's marketing and she's ashamed? So which is it?

In this particular discussion what seems *most likely* to me is that she wants to market the skills she developed/used but doesn't want to associate it with the cult. If i were going to do that, I would tout the skills on my resume the same way she did -- vaguely without mentioning a cult. I might even post pictures of me at big events to show that I'm comfortable in those sorts of settings -- especially if they show well to potential future clients. I would go so far as to not mention they are CCHR pics, but probably not so far as to edit out the "CCHR" on the awards in the pictures because I'm lazy like that and most folks aren't going to recognize it as a culty gathering.

(shrugs) Don't you have free will? Could someone coerce you right now to do something you didn't want to? Probably because you sound like a bit of a pussy, but in truth gun or not (or Hard Selling Reges) you could stand up and walk out AT ANY TIME. So you get shot. So you get booted from your cult. So your second wife leaves you. Shrug it off and move on no? Still pissed also at your last GF?

Seriously though dude - I appresh that you guys care so much about us po' little cult members, but we were fine with Xenu and Lron's crazyness.

Well - apparently I wasn't eventually, but you see, it's MY choice to delude myself or not.

No, no NO!! Frank makes the great Arroz con pollo... Duh.. is nice though ain't he?

Smell the NIACIN PITS BABY!!!

The sweated out remains of Body Thetans. They are allergic to Niacin didn't you know?

But the thing is, the church lies and commits fraud. So it isn't actually your choice.

They lie all the time. They lie about the number of members, they lie about the cost, they lie about abilities you will gain, they lie about not using info in your PC folder against you, they lie about disconnection.

So, if the Ferrari dealer told as many lies and you ended up buying the car because if these lies, that's fraud and you could sue his ass.

I think one of the biggest issues with the church and the tech that I have is that they convince people that black is white and up is down and that they can commit fraud and it's the victim's fault. Pretty handy way to get away with a lot of abuse.

I am a fun guy!! C'mon - a druggie X cult member with messianic tendencies and irresponsible spending habits. WHO THE FUCK WOULDN'T WANT TO HANG WITH THAT?

I am a bit of a dick though to dicks - so there is that...

True - even Lron stated quite clearly that the only way to manipulate ppl is to lie to them.

Caveat Emptor?

You do realize I'm *also* here for the lulz right?

Thanks! I'm pretty fucking ok

understood

Dude, you're gonna fit right in here.

Attempting to stop stupid people from doing stupid things is... well... kinda stupid. Edumacashun is the only answer. True believers of (insert shit people are true believers about) will believe their shit no matter the evidence you provide.

But go for it! Like I've said and keep on saying I appresh what you do. No yang without the ying...

Because even tho she's sort of left the cult. She's still a Scio retard. Everyone peels the insane Scn mindfuck onion, but some take longer than others. Some are never able to figure it out as it's just too painful for them to deal with.

One of the interesting parts of this entire Scn trip is to watch how people decompress from it all. In my opinion, it takes massive personal courage to confront the con. I have some empathy for retards like Marty and Rinder because they were so fucking abused and confused. I've been pretty critical of them but at this point I think they are so damaged that they will never really get it, and my heart aches for them.

Well shit, guess I AM an SP after all then.

YOU GUYS ARE SO SWEET!!!!

Ah to be twenty years younger!

What you don't understand is the sense of compassion. Think of Anonymous as drug rehabilitation, only one that actually works unlike Narcanon.

With the corporate cult smashed open they can learn all about "freedom". Copies of all the LRH nonsense is online, all the top secret levels and all the usual worthless death cult crap that leads the mind toward "freedom" by self-delusive nowhere-think, instead of being rational and actually engaged with reality.
It's a cowards way of thinking. Abandon all responsibilities of thought, act like an insect. You'll feel really "free!".

LRH was an evil freak who delighted in tormenting people. That is all he really achieved in his life. He was a liar and a coward, afraid of women unless he could control them, and deeply jealous of others in love. He developed a quasi-retarded sci-fi story up and made sure he was always the hero, that fat odious toad-faced freak, and he deceived and lied and conned his way across the world, destroying love as it went.
No relationship survived the cult. Not one elderly couple who were there when LRH was alive can still stand up now and say they had a long happy life together. Not one.

LRH wanted to destroy love because as a sick-minded sociopath he was scared of it, didn't understand it.

He was vermin. And his evil cult will therefore be crushed. Utterly destroyed. Expect it.

I agree that education is the best option -- Xenu can be an effective antibody against the Scientology virus -- but there are also the secondary victims to consider.

CCHR's loony crusade can have a measurable affect on people getting appropriate treatment for mental health issues -- look at the affect that discredited anti-vaccination paper is still having.

There are constant attempts to inject Study Tech into unsuspecting schools.

Narconon usually hides its Scientology connections and lures people in who think it is a legitimate treatment program.

And while adults may consent to join the Sea Org, signing their children up is a different matter.

We can't protect true believers from themselves but we can try to protect others from them.

"edumacashun" will stop people from doing stupid things
part of the reason why the cult is one big joke now
will people still join?
sure they will. but not if I can help them not to in some way and that where the "edumacashun" comes in

glad you made it out BTW

Not quite. Vulnerable people, not just stupid people do stupid things. The latter qualify for Darwin awards, the former qualify as prey to ruthless people/groups.

Critical thinking skills and information are the answers (unless you meant education as in educating on a particular subject). Anonymous isn't about stopping vulnerable people from doing stupid things, it's about telling them that the information they need, ALL the information they need to really make the best decision for themselves is out there. However...

is unfortunately 100% true. Case in point, Peter Popoff is still in the faith healing business. *shrug* whatchagonnado.

Don't agree with that first bit. There are many laws on the statute books that protect stupid people from (the consequences of) doing stupid things, like being conned by criminals, for example.

But let me ask you, as one who must have spent many, many hours listening to Hubbard's lunatic ramblings and transparent (to me) lies, let me ask you -

How could you be so obtuse?

Consider it edumacashun.

How could such acute flowery avatar ask that?