Discussion in 'Media' started by Sponge, Feb 9, 2012.
For a balanced pov, the Maria Pia Gardini incident happened in 1991, not last few months of 2007.
You're shit and you know nothing!
Nah, I think your analysis may well have some truth in it. If I were ordered to stand in a trashcan with a sign on my chest and being pelted with insults all night, you can bet it would be personal for me. She's in a unique position to go for Nipplehead's blood, because of the idiocy of suing her in the first place.
Streisand and all that.
+1 on Occam
Debbie got a fucking car for heavy selling Maria, obviously she did it for the money. As I am sure she is doing this for the money; just read her letter to osa. Maybe Debbie and Marty want to split the dough.
so true. do you know when a scilon lies? when s/he opens their mouth
Not samefag here. I think you are losing your perspective, DH. I can understand why you think it is a good thing that she spoke up, and it is. But this bitch is a lier, she's the one that was doing the "heavy regging" at FLAG for fucking years, she's the one that took the 50Kx2 and used it, she's the one that says "Mr. Hubbard is great and loving and compasionate and so is Scientology". Wake the fuck up people, she's playing it to gt something out of it, plain and simple. Like another Anon said, maybe another car from Maria Pia something or other.
+1 Internetz to you, my brethen. One of the few that sees whats really going on.
Yes, this is the bitch that is telling OSA, basically, pay me moar money or I talk. Fuck her!
It's time for Li'l Davey to step up to the plate.
I think the “cover up” is the IAS registration for Ideal Orgs, she mentions that everywhere. So I hold no hope for “more crimes exposed”. After all this years we keep on hearing the same shit over and over. Nothing new.
I wish Tony O had asked her when she last saw Shelly and where?
I noticed how this scilons “lovers of Mr. Hubbard” talk to Tony Ortega so much even though he always talks shit about Elron. I wonder if Debbie and M&M think that joining with that “SP” is OK under Elron’s “scriptures”
Very ignorant thing to say.
This thread is oh so osa replete.
You're hurting. Go home. Pop a brew. Take a long, hot bath.
Oh, wait. You can't go home, pop a brew, or take a long, hot bath.
Sea Org life sucks, doesn't it?
Tampabay Times Video
btw, here's all the Village Voice Debbie Cook interview videos together....
Part 1: The "handling" she got before taking money
Part 2: What comes next?
Part 3: Can Scientology be fixed?
Part 4: Reformation from within
Part 5: Problems with leaving
Part 6: Disconnection cancelled
Part 7: Declared? Talked to FBI?
you're ready and willing to have a fucking hugfest with debbie cook who's still a scientologist, but we're silly raging anons with OCD or Assburgers or something because we disagree with you? and we're on the same side as you?
debbie cook doesn't have balls. she saved her own ass and she's still a scientologist.
she's <choke choke> beloved and familiar and maybe she's got delusions of grandeur just like Rinderburn.
some of us look at the big picture and are already learning all we can about debbie cook so we'll know how to fight her in case she rears her cult head.
^ If Cardinal Bernard Law testifies against Pope Ratzinger, that's great -- but Law is still on the hook for his own cover-ups.
How so fucking sad this woman truly is. Disconnection is a DM thing? LRH cancelled it because of "hardship" it caused families?
Oh FFS Debbie. You know as well as I do that DM didn't originate the lecture on "Flows: Patterns of Interaction"
In what context does the above not clearly outline that scientology itself is anti-family at it's very core<rhetorical>
Herro, did you prove yourself to mod that you are an authorised agent of CoS to use that shit avatar? Do I need to report you?
Good read, good take on Debbie Cook's overall perspective and 31 factors put to bed........
As an interested outsider-
She looks like a very competent woman, smart and well spoken.
Unless she apologizes for her part in the "biggest cover-up in Scientology history", she is a criminal.
If she wants "walls of glass", she stops the coverup now.
If she doesn't expose the crimes, she is the same as the Catholic bishops (and Pope) who covered up for pedophile priests.
She'll be Jan Eastgate's twin........
I say let the woman dream on all she likes about hubbard riding a unicorn through fields of butterflies under a rainbow. The thing is, there isn't ever going to be the same unique conditions coming together that allowed the original hubbard train to leave the station and pick up steam. That first and last hubbard express steamed into the buffers years ago, remained in a state of salvage ever since and it just aint going to get fired up again, not unless you can de-invent the internet, unprint/unrecord all the critical books/newsmedia, put psycotherapy back to 1950s standards and then somehow make eveyone unknow what they already know about this cult and the screaming nutjob who invented it.
Kansas City Bishop Robert W. Finn indicted on charge of failing to report sexual abuse by a priest under his jurisdiction
Bishop John Magee was carrying out Vatican orders when he delegated the responsibility for the pedophile priests in his diocese to an underling and allowed him to overlook the worst abusers.
Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/story/n...-priests---video-125624723.html#ixzz1m83yWJrd
I'm afraid that this goes along lines I could foresee. Deb Cook HAS TO keep drinking the Koolaide b/c after all doesn't she now make an established living from her Scilon contacts - doing "marketing"? She was the top of the top and certainly is ambitious enough to want to be High Priestess of the New Reformed Church Of Scientology. The way to do that is to NOT take the church down in flames. Just:
1. Deliver enough mortal blows to Poop Davey to have him removed from his post and put permanently in a luxurious little padded cell under church care (NO heretical layman's psychiatric facility for him)
2. Get oneself declared the Keeper of the Flame by all remaining Scilons both those in and out (with lots of help from Marty who gets a tasty position in return.)
3. Physically occupy the ample real estate holdings of CO$, introduce "Reform Tech" and appoint staff to implement it, whatever it needs to be. Mostly it will be blame anything and everything that gives Scientology a bad name on Davey whether tru or no (i.e. disconnection) while continuing to sanctify LRH.
4. Get everyone busy busy busy rebuilding morale, getting stats up, and attracting new members (who better than Get It Done Debbie for this enormous task)
5. Debbie the Scilon High Priestess and Keeper of the Flame is now fully vindicated against the mini Poop Davey and now runs everything "just so" by the grace of Elron. Win.
Unfortunately this scenario creates a somewhat reformed CO$ that isn't totally batshit crazee. A CO$ that is no more crazy than nasty Catholic officials feeling up children and beating them for decades, or Evangelical preachers hungry for mideast wars and Endtimes. In other words a tolerable CO$ fully loaded with IRS protection, millions probably billions of dollars of valuable real estate assets, high profile stars who will be able to say "oh I am so glad my church is reformed now and I can really be OUT about it" and etc... A reformed CO$ that doesn't arbitrarily throw out its best people, beat on people or abuse them too bad in RPF can't help but survive and prosper, because for some freaky reason I still haven't been able to fully grok, insane drug addled Hubbard's formula for cult building basically does work. In a time of corporations being declared people, no one is going to care in the dystopian near future that a church charges money for its spiritual tenets.
A new and reformed CO$ is our worst nightmare. And Debbie Cook has it within her grasp to accomplish just such a thing.
When Scientologists try and tell you Hubbard cancelled disconnection they are lying. The document they usually refer to is HCO PL 15 November 1968, “Cancellation of Disconnection" which states, inter alia, " . . . Since we can now handle all types of cases disconnection as a condition is cancelled . . . ". What this means is that the cult no longer overtly makes it a requirement to disconnect . . . rather, it tells gullible wogs and indolent media that the decision to disconnect is a free decision made by the person who is doing the disconnecting. (There's a whole other aspect to this situation. Can a person who has endured the TRs, soaked up the love-bombing, invested cash, bought into the paradigm, and has commenced Auditing is actually be capable of making a rational decision to never see their kids and family again?)
Scientologists will also tell you it was David Miscavige who, through HCO Bulletin of 10 September 1983, “PTSness and Disconnection.”, reinstituted diconnection. Further, they will assert, the document bringing back disconnection as a "condition" was not written by L Ron Hubbard.
All this subterfuge about policy, however, is to hide the fact that disconnection is an essential rite within Scientology and forms an integral part of what a person has to do if they are to continue "movin' on up" the Bridge and saving the planet. Regardless of the acceptable truth the Scientologists hide behind, it still remains that the following KSW Standard L Ron Hubbard Scientology Scripture endorses, encourages, and enforces disconnection:
Tape: 6505C18 “Organization and Ethics”
Tape: 6506C08 “Handling the PTS”
HCO PL 23 Dec. 65RA Rev. 10.9.83 SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS
HCO PL 7 March 1965RB I, SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS
HCO PL 5 Apr. 65 - HANDLING THE SUPPRESSIVE PERSON, THE BASIS OF INSANITY
HCO PL 7 Aug. 65 - SUPPRESSIVE PERSONS, MAIN CHARACTERISTICS OF
HCOPL 19 July 1965 (Issue II) – SEPARATION ORDER
Tape: 6608C02 “Suppressives and GAEs”
Tape: 6608C25 “The Antisocial Personality”
HCOB 27 Sept. 66 THE ANTISOCIAL PERSONALITY THE ANTI-SCIENTOLOGIST
HCOB 24 Apr. 72 I C/S Series 79 PTS INTERVIEWS
HCO PL 3 May 72R Exec Series 12 Rev. 18.12.77 ETHICS AND EXECUTIVES
HCOB 10 Aug. 73 PTS HANDLING
HCO PL 15 Sept 73 HANDLING DISCONNECTIONS
HCOB 29 Dec. 78 THE SUPPRESSED PERSON RUNDOWN
HCOB 31 Dec. 78 II OUTLINE OF PTS HANDLING
HCOB 31 Dec. 78 III EDUCATING THE PTS THE FIRST STEP TOWARD HANDLING: PTS C/S-1
HCOPL 16 May 80 (Issue II) - ETHICS, PTS TYPE A, POLICY ON HANDLING ANTAGONISTIC SOURCES
HCOPL 16 May 80 (Issue II) - ETHICS, SUPPRESSIVE ACTS, SUPPRESSION OF SCIENTOLOGY AND SCIENTOLOGISTS
HCO PL 20 Oct. 81R PTS TYPE A HANDLING Rev. 10.9.83
HCOB 8 Mar. 83 HANDLING PTS SITUATIONS
TL/DR: Disconnection is written into the DNA of Scientology, as per KSW, you can't have one without the other.
Proof that even a stopped clock can be right twice a day.
I sent Debbie a $100. Hell, I'll pay that to watch two monkeys fuck. It's the best entertainment for the buck Ive seen in a long time.
A fool and his money . . .
I'll give you one monkey jacking off.
Scientology appears already to have had an objection sustained as to Debbie Cook not having shown that DM is connected to FSO. However, it seems that a lot of their case is premised on Cook's email having disparaged DM. To carry their burden of proof, Scn will have to establish that somehow, DM is one of the third parties protected by the contract.
Considering that they have spent considerable resources trying to maintain deniability about DM's lines into the cult, they prefer to keep it all "ecclesiastical," and they are dependent on maintaining a fluidity of the claims they can make about DM's relation to the cult, it is seriously not in their interest to make any definitive statements.
Carrying their burden of proof presents some very serious problems for Scientology. They can default on it and lose the case, or they can be tied down to one version by estoppel.
You will always be the Newt for my Mitt.
I really doubt that. She can probably establish her own underfunded Debbie flavored koolaid group, but that is about it. The Reform Church of Scientology. Maybe they can try for IRS exemption too. I don't think she'll hook up to M&M's Indies. She wants to lead, not follow Marty.
Maybe because I grew up in the cult I have more empathy for people who are still brainwashed. I know
LRH was a drug addicted conman, but she hasn't internalized that truth yet. Neither have most of my family. It is hard to admit you have been conned and brainwashed. It is hard to admit you have wasted the one life you have on a crazy man's delusion and greed. I may never get them out, though I have high hopes.
Am I pissed she hasn't gone to the FBI? Not really. Honestly, has that avenue given us anything yet? The Feds have already heard about the crimes and they are doing f*ck all about it. I'm pissed at the Feds for this. I don't blame her for trying a new tactic. So far I'm enjoying the result. Email went viral, scilons flipped out. Fun. Facebook was funny and fail. DM got livid. We have had rare light shed on Davey in open court in front of TV cameras. Lots of horrifying details are now reaching new people via the press. I can honestly say that a few short years ago I never could have dreamed that we would have made this much progress. This is some quality entertainment. I am pretty happy and I invite Anons to join me for a bowl of buttery popcorn and a silly cat themed dance.
He looks like he Is Speeding Of its Dial
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