This thread is for debunking the 2013 IAS vids. NOT to be confused with the New Years Eve vids that had the Ireland fiasco. I painfully plowed through the vids and took notes and wrote down stuff that I felt was worth mentioning. And the entries may be totally out of sync. I am not going to include the times. Don't beat me up on mistakes, typos or misspellings. I just don't give a shit. It was hell to go through and to listen to Poodle drone on and on. 1st Vid Where did they get the footage of the opening scene with all the horses and people? They show footage of VM's running with a stretcher from a NAVY helicopter Two separate court house scenes. Are these pics approved by anyone? CLAIMS and things they took responsibility for: The said there are 346 Narconons helping rehab addicts every two hours. 1,085 Applied Scholastics and tutoring centers After the Way To Happiness Building opened in Glendale, 494 MORE WTH centers opened. 55 Congressmen and Senators AND diplomats are now endorsing COS's Humanitarian agenda 820 total of dignitaries and government officials are now on board 4,400 government and agencies are in partnership with the COS The Ideal Orgs listed in the vid using computer graphics of the buildings were: Tampa, Buffalo, Johannesburg, Los Gatos, San Fran, Steven's Creek, Malmo, Dallas, Madrid, NY, London, Nashville, Berlin, Quebec, Las Vegas, Pasadena, Dc, Denver, Phoenix, Padova, Seattle, LA, Melbourne, Twin Cities, Mexico, Rome, Hamburg, Tel Aviv, Moscow, Sacramento, Cinn., Inglewood, Pretoria, Orange County, Portland, Cambridge 3rd Vid CCHR "funnelled information" to Universities and "public info outlets". They showed computer graphics of buildings that CCHR disseminated to, which included doctors, legislators, medical schools, attorneys and fraud investigations. They "informed people that psychiatry equals betrayal in the name of help". Hmmm who does that sound like? the nerve! They showed a photo of Scotland's Royal College of Psychiatry and the words Edinburgh and a photo of the Radisson Blu Hotel where the psyches conference was held. Footage of scilon protesters marching on the sidewalk past the Princess Mall sign holding signs and flags with "Caledonian war paint" Showed picture of the Herald Newspaper- "Action Needed to rescue the crisis in Psychiatry" Showed South of France (Nice) 21st Annual Psychiatry Convention and showed a pic of the Acropolis and that "there were protestors from all over the continent" Showed the front page of the paper the Le Petit Nicois Votre Hedbo nire ote d azur Sept 16th-22 2013 "la commission des citoyens pour les driots de l'homme de'nonce les abus pyschiatriques" and showed the translation- "Psychiatry is a money making machine" moar....
hold on San Fran- 166th APA Convention. Shows Dr. Charles Ruby speaking. Says he was the Chairman of the International Society for Ethical Psychology and Psychiatry. Said the majority of the people visiting the CCHR Industry of Death were pyschs who were "AWOL" from their own convention and that there was a mass demonstration of psyche busters and shows footage of the Moscone Center and pyschs taking pics of protestors. 4th video- @ 0:56- update: found a lot more about this, read posts ITT Shows the AMC Imax Theatre in San Fran. They said the marquise showed the CCHR's film called "Psychiatry's Deadly Scam" and said for "social consumption changed the title to "DSM Controversy" and that a "former psychologist turned San Francisco staff member" (showed her title as the Social Reform Officer San Franciso Org under her) spoke after the film. EDITED: PLEASE REWATCH THIS ONE CONFUSES ME. Want to make sure I got it right. ok so it looks like the person at the end is Dr. Linda Lagemann. Is she a Sci? (according to DM she is) or Sci sympathizer? Did the COS pull a fast one on the IMAX theatre? halp! They showed a photo of Nobuo Ogura of the Keisei Edogawa Clinic and said he hooked 100's of people. ESMB is debunking this one. Showed photo of Dr. Gary Kushner who is now doing 12 years in jail and said he was busted for Medical fraud and bunch of other shit. Showed a pic of the Dept. of Health E. Charlton Prather MD Building 2582 Merchants Row Blvd. Bet they wouldn't like that. Showed a pic of a Healthcare Practioner's Complaint Form. They are claiming it was filed by a Laurie ? (can't make out the last name) of the CCHR and it shows her address as 305 N. Harrison Fl.Also shows Gary Kushner's name and home address. 5th vid Shows top scilon CCHR people Kisklunhalas Psychiatry Hospital outside Budapest and the photo of Zoltan Fesus who was a Pyschiatrist's Assistant. They called the hopsital "Hungary's Horrow Show". And said Zoltan's suspected crimes are rape, assault, and "he can't keep his hands off the younger patients". shows footage of Hungarian law enforecemnet (Rendorsec?) busting through the front gates. Said psychiatrists in the last year are guilty of: 15 counts of criminal abuse 60 counts of immoral conduct 90 counts- "assorted fraud, theft, mayhem and they are general threat to society" 312 Psches busted Israel- shows top Scilon CCHR people shows Nation's Parliament and the Neve Mental Hospital. Shows footage of 150 officers (didn't look like150) who stormed the gates and detained and questioned 75 people. Shows Channel 2 still of Broadcaster (YNET) Says every Isreal Psych Hosptial is not terminated by the Minitry of Health. 6th vid Talks alot about "Teen Screen" Shows a photo of a Penn High School Guidance Form! Shows footage of Bruce Wiseman talking at a desk with people and makes it look like he in is the Capital because they show the Whitehouse right before it. Shows footage (no audio) of Ron Paul (a scilon favorite) and quotes hinm "I will fight to ban mental health screening of children" Footage of Rand Paul "Parents are being coerced to putting their children on psychotropics" Shows Fox News Channel 59 clip (no audio) Noticias 54 news clip (no audio) And claims that the CCHR pulled Teen Screen (but doesn't say Teen Screen) thanks to the IAS Shows the CCHR "invades Parlaiment in Brussels Then they show pics of Bills that were passed: (they claim 57 bills) The numbers are as follows: 1213, 369, 760 (shown twice), 3636, 3227(shown twice) 3225 (shown twice), 3118 (shown twice), 1948 (shown twice), 3656, 1856 (shown twice) 588, 220, 344, 347, 290, 131 and one more I couldn't see at the end. I guess anyone can look up these bill numbers? yes? Here is the link to all the vids http://tonyortega.org/2014/01/06/vi...ala-featuring-a-slimmed-down-david-miscavige/ Have fun! Time for a burger and some wine
edited: looked into the "DSM Controversy" film at the IMAX where DM claims the CCHR showed THEIR film instead? Do I have that correct? There is a "DSM Controvery" site http://www.dsmcontroversy dot com (I defanged this link in case its a sci site) It shows no ties to the COS or the CCHR is not mentioned that I can see. The site shows a Dr. Linda Lagemann who is a psychologist. She is not in COS completions, but she is listed on a CCHR pod cast. her stats: http://www.zoominfo.com/s/#!search/profile/person?personId=59739771&targetid=profile On the website above, it doesn't show her talking at any IMAX theatre according to her schedule from last year. Also looks like this site was registered only 6 months ago? So let me see if I have this correct. DM said there was an official screening for APA conventioneers and on the theatre marquise showed the CCHR film title "Psychiatry's Deadliest Scam" (you can hear people in the audience at the IAS gasp) and he goes on to say "but for local consumption, the film was retitled The "DSM Controversy." He says the person talking after the film is on staff at the San Fran Org and is a former psychologist. Can someone else see if I got this straight? It is the 4th vid at 0:56 My brain is scrambled from Poodle's voice. http://tonyortega.org/2014/01/06/vi...ala-featuring-a-slimmed-down-david-miscavige/ So if Lagemann is a Sci and this film was shown at the San Fran IMAX did they pull a fast one on the San Fran IMAX?
on that French newspaper, "The Petit Nicois" where it reads: "la commission des citoyens pour les driots de l'homme de'nonce les abus pyschiatriques" I may have a few misspells here. The vid said it translated to "Psychiatry is a money making machine" But a bad online translator said it translates to: "the Committee of citizens for the expectation of the man from Nuncio abuse pyschiatriques"
This entry reminded me of this case: http://doubtfulnews.com/2013/10/sci...ientifically-dishonest-and-grossly-negligent/ Antiscience, Belief, Pseudoscience Scientology speaker was found “scientifically dishonest” and “grossly negligent” Danish neuroscientist Penkowa, found guilty of misconduct, reappears as Scientology group headliner by Sharon Hill • October 16, 2013 Milena Penkowa, the Danish neuroscientist who has had four papers retracted and was found to have committed misconduct, is in the news again, this time for speaking at a museum exhibition by a Scientology-founded group.Titled “Psykiatri – Dödens industri“ — “Psychiatry, Industry of Death” — the exhibition is at the museum of the Commission on Human Rights, which, according to a press release:“was established in 1969 in the United States of the Church of Scientology and psychiatry professor Thomas Szasz, the world’s most famous psychiatry critics, and in 1972 in Sweden, to investigate and expose abuses of human rights in mental health care and to clean up the field of mental healing.”Penkowa gave the opening keynote and was titled “physician and professor of neurology”. A Swedish newspaper reported she is actually an ex-professor. She resigned from the University of Copenhagen in December 2010. She had been judged by a Danish oversight committee to have acted in a “scientifically dishonest” and “grossly negligent” manner. Seems just right for the Scientology crowd. Here is more about her actions. (Editorial comment: I believe that she resigned from the University of Copenhagen after having her tenure revoked. The cult now claims her as a PhD working for them.)
I have always wondered what it took to get your tenure revoked, what with the complete assholeish way some tenured professors behave. Well, seems we now have an answer : four retracted papers, a shady PhD thesis and embezzled research grants will do it.
I'm working on the summary for Ireland. RightOn, you deserve a medal. But not the Medal of Valour. Tom is the only person who gets that. http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/truth-way-691305.jpg
She'll be granted the Medal Of Velour and get to play dress up. I think it should have a ladybug on it.
Hmmm . . . that Linda Lagermann is a bit of a worry. I see from the site you link to that she provides a seminar about the "DSM Controversy" which actually qualifies as legitimate "On Going Training" as defined and required by the California Board of Behavioral Sciences. I see from her personal website that she has . . . . . . and further poking around the intrawebz shows she is running seminars all over the place, including at the University of Pheonix and in Taiwan. There doesn't seem to be any direct links with Scientology so, I guess, she may just be another of the academic schills Scientology buys from time to time to forward its corruptive and deceptive creep into the mainstream. It would appear that at one stage recently she was looking for work. Scientology may have snaffled her at a time when she was enduring financial hardship. One inconsistency is her claim on her site that she is a member of the "Good Therapists" group but there is no sign of her on their site. Oddly enough, her dissertation was titled "Masochism, Self-defeating Behavior, and Gender" - leaving aside the gender issue, how ironic that she is herself is beginning to exhibit classic signs of masochism and self-defeating behaviour. But, yeah, no sign whatsoever of an Imax theatre being used. I'm guessing its possible Scientology hired a theatre and then bullshitted. Its not like Scientology hasn't done it before. /derail Found this on that "resumes guaranteed" site this interesting comment from someone called Brooke A. Lafazan . . .
^ yeah I also found her site and her very interesting. If you goggle her name, you will find a link to a CCHR podcast, which is a CCHR web link. I didn't go there. So, DM's claims of her being staff at the San Fran Org? hmmmmmm? Guess someone needs to call the org and ask for her, or were they can get in touch with her. LOL Anyone have Skype or who is name fagged want to step up to the plate? OR ask her if she is staff at the San Fran org. DM of course didn't say her name and they didn't post her name with her "title" on the vid when they showed footage of her talking.
one more thing about Dr. Linda Lagemann... If someone finds out she is NOT on San Fran Org staff and alerts her to the fact that she was pictured in the IAS Scientology vid as being on staff at the San Fran Org with a COS title of "Social Reform Officer San Francisco Org" under her picture, (make sure you don't say the New Years vids, people are mixing these two up) at the very least she may get pissed off and not shill for the cult any longer, if that is in fact what she is doing. The jury is still out on this one. But something isn't right. That IMAX theatre part in the vid really poked me in the 'ol wtf center of my brain and this can or worms needs to be opened. I am on my way out, can someone PLEASE grab a screen grab of her website? The page that shows her and her schedule. I have a funny feeling that website may disappear. But proxy up in case it is a scilon site. It is www.dmcontroversy dot com < defanged for justice AND it isn't it a riot and ironic that the title is the "DM Controversy"? Sorry it is the "DSM Controversy" It certainly is one big controversy to find out what the hell that he is is talking about in that vid. Perhaps Tony O would like to mull this over?
AND... in the vid of the IMAX part, did they super impose a book cover of someone's book in the audience with a CCHR logo? Or am I crazy? I have to go back and look, but can't right now. If someone verifies this, please take grab a screen grab of that still thanks!
2013-01-14 (54.62 MB) Duration: 31:02 m - Filetype: quicktime Psychiatry's Scientific Fraud In a significant departure from medical diagnosis, psychiatric diagnoses are devoted to categorization of symptoms only, not the observation of actual physical disease. None of the diagnoses are supported by scientific evidence of biological disease of any kind. This week's guest is Linda Lagemann, a psychologist who doesn't believe in this scientific fraud and is helping people without the use of psychiatric drugs. Download Keywords: CCHR, Linda Lagemann, scientific fraud, psychiatric drugs, psychiatric diagnoses, biological disease
Email Me Send to Friend Website Linda Lagemann Psychologist , PhD (415) 390-2827 About verified by Psychology Today Over 25 years experience in clinical practice I have observed the sharp increase in the number of regular folks on psychiatric drugs (including anti-psychotics like Abilify and Seroquel). One in five Americans is currently on at least one. Pharmaceutical advertising has shaped the way people view themselves and their struggles in life. (In the industry these ads are referred to as the "you're sick and you didn't know it" ads). I closed my private practice in August to devote myself full-time to efforts to reform the mental health field. www.dsmcontroversy.com and www.DrLagemann.com Did you know 35% to as high as 70% of Americans on a placebo will experience less depression, less anxiety, better study focus, less pain? All this without putting a chemical into their brain. All this without compromising their health. What is the placebo effect? Bottom line it's the individual's own ability to self-heal. It is the individual's ability to decide to feel better and make it so. Whether they think it's the result of a pill or wearing their lucky hat, they did it.Call or Email Linda Lagemann for a free consultation now - (415) 390-2827Qualifications Years in Practice: 20+ Years License No. and State: 15498 California Finances Avg Cost (per session): $170 - $220 Sliding Scale: Yes Accepted Insurance Plans: Out of Network Verify your health insurance coverage when you arrange your first visit . Location 582 Market Street Suite 212 (at Second Street) San Francisco, California 94104 (415) 390-2827 Email Me Show Map Nearby AreasSpecialties Self Esteem Depression Relationship Issues Issues: Academic Underachievement Anxiety Child or Adolescent Divorce Infertility Parenting Sleep or Insomnia Addiction Career Counseling Coping Skills Grief Life Coaching Sex Therapy Spirituality Client Focus Age: Adolescents / Teenagers (14 to 19) Adults Treatment Approach Treatment Orientation: Coaching Positive Psychology Solution Focused Brief (SFBT) Modality: Individuals Couples
I always said that if the Church thing no longer works David Miscavige could start an Expensive BDSM club
a little far for me So, you guys have been busy! anon delivers! Thanks guys! And thank you mods for the sticky <3 So who is going to call the San Fran Org and ask for Linda Lagemann the Social Reform Officer? oh and I went back to the vid (4th vid) and it does look like the CCHR logo on the book cover on the book of someone in the audience? @1:27 or not? Can someone do a screen grab?
holy shit! Scientology connection! I asked a friend to look up to see if she (Linda Lagemann) was on Face Book and she is on Face Book, (under Linda Lagemann, not Dr. Linda Lagemann) she has 4 pictures of the Nov.16th 2013 Scientology Patrons Ball and she is sitting with MOXON!!!!! There are 4 pics!! I don't have a Face Book page, can someone go there and grab those juicy pics? Also, The APA Convention in San Fran last year was held on May 18-22nd 2013 at the Moscone Center. She said she just left her practice recently. She has nothing scheduled for those dates on the web page. But now I am starting to think that she WAS at the screening possibly and that she is all for the CCHR? After all, she was at the Patron's Ball sitting with Moxon. So what does this all mean when it comes to the IMAX film screening? Not sure! Maybe she had a film to show and she also agreed to show CCHR's Film? But as far as her being on staff at the San Fran org as the Social Reform Officer? Mystery not solved yet! AND WHY wouldn't DM mention her name in the vid if she is such an accomplished Psychologist?
VERY NICE! thank you. Soooooo little Ms. Linda is WAY supportive of the CCHR and is def. a shill Moxon looks like a bloated toad. Is that his wife?
I know Moxon when I see him Everyone knows Moxon Anything else on her friends page? Any more scilons listed?
Did you see the few times I put up people who 'liked' the pictures? A few of those also on Sci page run by Jojo
