http://www.scribd.com/doc/80498129/...hen-Bohling-Deposition-Transcript-22-Jul-2010 Just getting this thread ready...
Lots to go over with Bohling, but I just got to the part where he discloses that he worked for the CoS while off-duty. Sigh.
That was when he was a uniform cop not a detective but it could still be a flag. Remember he did not get the case until 15hrs after the fact and also you will want to read his interviews with Jerry and his wife. It does not excuse that this was a colossal screw up I personally think that if the PCSO (Pinellas County Sheriff's Office) had had the case from the beginning there would have been a different outcome.
Just one more disturbing fact in a deeply disturbing case. Grateful to all looking at these dox and attempting to make sense of them. It is becoming clearer why anons are scrutinising the case files so closely. Please keep digging and commenting - what has already been revealed is simply staggering.
Not necessarily relevant. According to how the CPD chooses who gets what offduty hours: 1) Officer A says "I want offduty work. Here's when I'm available." 2) Organization B says "I need offduty officers at this time and date." 3) Matchmaker C tells B "Okay regulations say you're going to need X number of officers, and Y number of them need to be supervisors. It'll cost you Z amount." 4) Matchmaker C tells A "Hey I found some offduty work in your timeslot. Show up here at this time." It's specifically designed so that bad cops don't get to choose what group they work for. And lots of officers end up working for Scientology, because Scientology uses a lot of offduty officers. And it'd be illegal for the PD to refuse to send them officers. Discrimination etc. EDIT: That being said, it's still my opinion that Bohling is a filthy filthy bad cop. But not necessarily because he had some offduty work. That's like saying I habitually support Scientology because I once bought a Pepsi from a store that turned out to be owned by a Clear.
Still reading Bohling's depo. At the point where he explains why he's not concerned that the bullet was never found. All along I assumed that perhaps someone removed it from the scene. Now I think it adds to the idea that Kyle was shot in the other room. Just speculatin'. Blood splatter report ever shown in the trial? Ah, just learned that Kyle did know that Tom had a gun and that he lied to Yuen when he said he never told Kyle about the gun.
Yes Kyle new years earlier of the gun along with his brother that was around the time his so-called father committed arson to avoid the IRS audit and was fined and declared bankruptcy. Also Bohling is by no stretch a blood spatter expert so take what he says' with a grain of salt, I think he even admits it.
Uh, yes, we do. WTF you talking about? The system works that way intentionally, to prevent the exact thing WWP always bitches at the CPD about, the whole "owned" by Scientology concept.
FTR In many countries, off-duty work for police officers is a big no-no. That the best way to avoid conflicts of interest, IMHO. And if someone mentions the fact that the officers might need the extra money, just think that having less officers working more hours could do the trick. AFAIR, there was also a judge bitching about the level of involvement of CPD police officers with scientology.
Ten years ago. Actually more than ten. What, twelve at this point? As for less cops working more hours, when you figure out a way to fix America's unemployment problem, by all means let me know. Either way, this is off-topic, and I'd hate to lose sight of what a colossal fuckup Detective Bohling is.
If someone only heard the first half of his deposition they would think he did a fine job, a little full of himself. When Dandar gets to him he begins to fall apart, his mistakes are exposed and he gets defensive.
Sorry Six, I didnt mean that as dis, I do not beat the CPD sucks drum. In my state, the union manages all off duty work and there is no matchmaker aspect. Cops sign up, and work gets divvied out strictly by seniority. If the older ones don't like an assignment, they take a pass and it goes down the ladder based on time-served and which county the cop is in. (Local cops can't work outside the country the live in.) So it is truly a blind assignment - no middle man, no networking, no room for buddy-buddy favors.
Gentile admits to erasing the documents--actually he blames his six year old daughter--but Bohling assumes that to mean that Gentile accidentally copied the same three files on there twice and erased the copy. What a load of shit. Right then and there, Bohling, who is admittedly tech-retarded, should have taken that further. From what I understand, don't quote me, the computer is still available and forensics are probably much better today than in 2007/8. If not already done, that computer needs to be scoured again.
Oooh! The GSR sample is still in the evidence locker and can still be tested?! Or I'm just reading a hypothetical...
On the dox. I don't think Gentile ever had the laptop. I think it went directly to OSA from the apartment. As for GSR. We need some forensics advice, but I think the swabs for the GSR deterioriate over time so processing may be useless at this point. Also, I seem to recall something about lying to the Brittons about the GSR and then blocking processing or something like that.
In Bohling's deposition, Gentile claims to have had the laptop at his place in an attempt to "print out" the three dox. Is there evidence that makes you say it went to OSA?
Not sure if the sample would deteriorate. Seems the element particular to GSR is somewhat large and stable. Since Anitmony and Barium are radioactive, I believe the sample can be pretty old and still be viable. May depend on half-life and contamination, not sure as I can't find any info on old GSR sample validity. Maybe an expert can chime in? http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/p...y_2011/The Current Status of GSR Examinations http://www.hackcanada.com/blackcrawl/survive/gunshot.txt
Well, it also means that the criminal organisation known as he "church" of $cientology can observe a lot of different officers to gauge who's going to be the next Eugene Ingram, in case said organisation were inclined to garner friends and influence. I see what you're saying, and in the context it probably means that this an interesting fact to which it's possible to return (rather than a smoking gun), but I can't tell you how pleased I am to live in a jurisdiction where this sort of thing is unheard of...
Yes but there were documents erased 2hrs after Kyle's death 2HRS and Jerry Gentile is in the computer business. Kyle's computer had 2usb 2.0 ports as well as a LAN port & serial among others from the model number. The correct route would have been for Jerry to plug in his printer if the printer drivers were not already present on the OS he could easily have downloaded them. Yet rather than do what anyone with any brain-related information on computers he copied them to a thumb drive. Then he copied them to another computer printed them out after reformatting them. Following that he recopied the files back to the thumb drive and then back to Kyle's laptop. But Oh_No he copied back copies of files so he then deleted files off of Kyle's computer. If you worked at a computer firm and followed Jerry Gentile's process your boss would probably fire you. But wait Jerry Gentile owns a computer related firm, hmm this doesn't make any sense. Jerry said he did not get the computer till the next day one of his daughters' went to retrieve it from Tom Brennan. How could that be when there were files deleted 2Hrs after Kyle's death?
Yes a GSR sample was taken of Kyle's hand however it was never tested nor did anyone request it. The logic goes that as this was a suicide there would be residual GSR on the decedent's hand. That furthermore there would have been GSR present in the area however they would be of a different concentration. Still as FDLE or PCSO do have tables for standard concentrations of trace chemicals found after the fact of a suicide it would be interesting to see what concentrations were found from the test sample. It's truly a shame that Thomas Brennan did not have his hand's swabbed as it is now my believe he in killed his son Kyle. He had ample time approximately 5omins, he had a motive his son had called the FBI locally and Thomas Brennan became aware of this during Kyle's fateful last stay. There were also monetary gains made by Thomas Brennan as rare metals (gold) that Kyle had with him did not make it back to his Mother. Also on Kyle's phone pictures were found of a document where Kyle had written a letter that he wanted to show to law enforcement about Thomas Brennan's past crime of arson and destroying evidence to avoid prosecution.
It's certainly consistent with an intent to destroy evidence, rather than preserve it. What else did he do in this time window? We don't really know. I certainly don't trust Jerry Gentile as far as I can throw him, as he has a long history of fraudulent conduct.
No not yet however if this case can ever get to trial there is a possibility. They should have swabbed Thomas Brennan that would have been were most of the residue would have been found in my opinion.
Wasn't implying you were. Just wasn't sure where unions even fit into that discussion. I'm not actually that familiar with the union set up in Florida except to recognize that they do exist for law enforcement (according to the "would you like to donate" phonecalls I keep getting), although iirc they're pretty much powerless for the Sheriff's Offices. But keep in mind Florida is a red state with a totally lunatic governor, so I wouldn't expect any union to be particularly strong. You'd be surprised how many places do it and people just don't pay enough attention to realize they do it and therefore assume they don't.
Only PD I'm familiar with his NYPD and I think they have to be registered as a security guard and go through training. They are excluded from body guard, bouncer-type jobs. It's gotta be tough on CPD, in that they are being paid by an entity that's trying to stop peaceful protesting. Almost seems like a conflict of interest, why can't they just hire a private security firm? Not trying to take the jobs away from the officers, just thinking that there could be one or two officers on station at all times and security handles the day-to-day.
Budget issues. Clearwater is fucking bankrupt. The city government even considered actually abolishing the police department altogether a few years ago but the CW residents threw a FIT at the town hall meeting. CPD always was popular with the locals. The city ended up hitting us with budget cuts to libraries etc in order to make us eat the cost of keeping them.
Clearwater is not the only jurisdiction where officers work private security details it is quite widespread across the USA. Now back on task
About the purging of the laptop bit, is it possible that Kyle had his data uploaded to a server like Carbonite or Mozy? I know people use the services to make sure they have an online backup ready if their computer explodes or it's suddenly unusable.
There was no reference to that his Mother was quite involved in his life as a loving parent should be and she never brought that up. However she did bring up how Kyle kept all of his school work on the computer along with poems and other writings however they were all deleted by Mr. Gentile. His Mother actually helped him work on assignments with the computer in the room so she would have known that he kept a lot of files on the machine.
