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Dutch COS buys building

Discussion in 'Media' started by TrevAnon, Mar 5, 2012.

  1. RolandRB Member

    Let me reiterate the view that their purchases of Ideal Orgs and their renovation and upkeep is an enormous financial drain on them all round the world. It only makes sense if you can get the public to flock in with checkbooks/credit cards in hand. And this isn't going to happen ever. Scientology is an old and defunct idea with a sullied reputation and it will never be popular again. They have got no chance of filling any of their Ideal Orgs except in a third world country maybe. Their Ideal Org programme is killing them. And the funny thing is - it is out Policy in a big way. They know it and yet they go along with it because a pugilistic dwarf tells them to do it.
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  2. TrevAnon Member

    Looks like Dutch paper Het Parool tries to stir it up a litle bit:
    http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/4/AM...2012/03/08/Scientology-juicht-om-fiscus.dhtml

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  3. Anonymous Member

    ^^^ Holland is a tax heaven for everybody. There are tons of foreign companies in Holland precisely for that reason.
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  4. Anonymous Member

    Doing poorly? Narconon has been closing down one pot cafe after another...right?
  5. Anonymous Member

    Update! Now with questions from parliament.

    First of all, some more background (some of this is also on the previous page):

    Tax free status in the Netherlands is called anbi-status, which translates as 'organisation for the general good'. Scientology tried to get it a couple of years ago, but that a judge ruled that they were not entitled to it. As a result, they started this Nabesa Stichting, managed to get anbi-status due to the tax office not paying attention, and they are now using it fraudulently.
    The dead tree version of the news article does a lot better job explaining this than the online version:
    http://blogger.xs4all.nl/chow/archive/2012/03/14/745150.aspx. The article also has a spokes person for the tax office confirm they have no intention of nullifying the anbi status of Scientology.

    A member of Parliament has followed up today by asking parliamentary questions:
    https://zoek.officielebekendmakingen.nl/kv-158124.pdf

    The questions are asked to both the Ministry of Finance and the Ministry of Justice (the link says Staatsecretarissen, which sounds like Secretary of State, but they are actually the second tier in a Ministry):

    1
    Have you read the article “Schatkist subsidieert Scientology” (State sponsors Scientology)? 1)

    2
    Are you of the opinion that cults should be given the designation of anbi?

    3
    What do you think about the fact that a judicial ruling concluded that Scientology is not a anbi organisation, but that it enjoys the tax free status of an anbi organisation after all by using a sneak route.
    4
    What are you going to do about it?
    5
    Does it happen more often that anbi's are used for fraudulent activities? For example for money laundering.
    6
    What are you doing to prevent this?

    Answer in three weeks.

    Note that the game is of parliamentary questions is a lot like the 'We the People' petitions by the US gov...you give bullshit answers and don't change anything.

    For example, two years ago, the answers to parliamentary questions about breaches of privacy law by Scientology, indicated the civil cervant who provided the anwers didn't even bother to properly read the newpaper article.

    This time round, with a government investigation into cults going on, who knows... Perhaps the government is not willing to state on record for a second time that they are refusing to act on unlawful actions by Scientology.

    I also like the mentioning of money laundering, because if it is really this easy to get tax free status with an obviously fake foundation, there are almost certainly other fake foundations out there which are used for money laundering. In this scenario, you donate your criminal money to your own fake foundation and get a 50% bonus by the tax office... Nice, uh.
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  6. TrevAnon Member

    Thanks for the update.
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  8. Anonymous Member

    Second part of the follow up article in the newspaper
    Dutch, I know.
    They invented google translate for a reason.
    Should read the last part, scilons claiming the newspaper is funded by drugdealers.
  9. Anonymous Member

    A fitting name.
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  10. Anonymous Member

    Future Ideal Org Close Up Time! Anon Delivers!
    [IMG]
    Rodent problem, Scientology?[IMG]Go'old rusty.[IMG]Needs a bucket of paint too...[IMG]Okay maybe a few...[IMG]Just some collateral damage...[IMG]Imagine it being your home, wouldn't that be amazing?
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  11. RolandRB Member

    Looks like they will have to spend a bit of money on it.
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  12. Random guy Member

    I think Bozuri's right, this looks more like an investment, less like expansion. When you sit on a heap of cash in a situation where the economy is going downhill, buying property makes sense., particularly if there's people doing up the place for a fistfull of beans per day.
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  13. Anonymous Member

    Great investment...
    Drones reg each other for $$$M and buy huge property and give it to you
    Drones do up property with free labour
    Drones pay rent to you for said property
    You sell property some time and keep cash

    Nice scam in anyone's language !! :)
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  14. Dragononymous Member

    If the state pays 50% of your donations, what's the problem? 50% off everything coupon Yuh!
    + as the above mentioned newspaper mentioned before, the scilons alreayd had an architect look at it.
    Maps and eveything is done, the only thing they need is money, which is coming in fast thanks to their fraud system.
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  15. Anonymous Member

    Thanks for the pics!
  16. Dragononymous Member

    Local media point of interest:

    No-one's answering the phones stated on the Dutch Road to Happyness website.
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  17. Anonymous Member

    Google translate

    Parliamentary questions about fronts for Scientology
    03/16/12 11:40
    The current leased building on Damrak is too costly; the sect now wants to buy a building. © AP

    Apart from the foundation to a Better Society (Nabesa) in Lelystad found three other front organizations of the controversial Church of Scientology Amsterdam by the tax to be regarded as a public benefit institution (ANBI).

    It is the foundation The Way to Happiness in Haarlem, the foundation and the foundation Narconon Zutphen Dutch Committee for Human Rights in the Van Ostade in Amsterdam.

    The tax ANBI status for all those sister organizations is vital for Scientology Amsterdam. Financially, the sect entirely dependent on donations from its own followers. Direct donations to Scientology can not be deducted from income, because the organization itself does not ANBI status. Ddat makes it unattractive to large donations.

    For that reason Scientology has a number of fiscal shortcuts created: the faithful are called to donate money to their obvious disguises, which the Treasury or the coveted ANBI status have received.

    Meanwhile, the fractions of D66 and the SP in the House to Secretary of Finance Frans Weekers questions on the deductibility of donations via over to Scientology to be done, this following the news last week about the foundation Nabesa Parool. (Bart Middelburg)

    Read more in today Parool: Sect cherishes the tax paradise
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  18. Anonymous Member

    GT

    - Continued from page 1Sekte cherishes the tax paradise
    MP Magda Berndsen (D66) wants to know how the State can not tax that Scientology is regarded as setting up charitable, "but now via a shortcut still benefit from the tax advantages which the ANBI status entails. "What will you do?" Berndsen also wants the State to know whether it is more common that a ANBI is fraud, "for example money laundering.
    Ronald van Raak of the SP also wants clarification. "It would be good to have a closer looks at ancillary settings. If connected or service do for an organization that is not charity, that other organizations may also not a good goal."
    The Scientology Church Amsterdam (SKA) rents for years two colossal buildings on the Damrak, but that cost the cult of money, the owner of the property in recent years had several times threatened with legal action for rent arrears of nearly a ton.
    For this reason, Scientology devised a plan to buy its own headquarters, where the 'church' for dropped on mega-complex Overschiestraat 176 in West. The current owner is already an agreement in principle. A problem with the financing of the project is that the Hague court in 2004 ruled that Scientology is not a public interest but primarily private interests, and especially of the sect itself.
    With the introduction of the scheme in 2008, ANBI Scientology the tax therefore not ANBI status, with the result that donations for the new headquarters of the tax can not be deducted. This reduces the number of gifts, and therefore calls Scientology supporters for years no donations to Scientology itself, but to the foundation to a Better Society (Nabesa) in Lelystad about. Nabesa of the Treasury has called the ANBI status received, and successfully, three-quarters of the purchase of the complex Overschiestraat that the "Ideal Org" must be, would now inside.
    The foundation Nabesa (with the statutory objective the dissemination of "ideas" of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard) is 'controlled' by Scientologists known as Charles Jeelof, Herman Rijnvis and Paul Swan.Even otherwise, the connection between Scientology and Nabesa evident. For example, evokes a kind of committee recommendation of believers to give generously for the new building: "Make a monthly payment to Nabesa foundation." Also in that committee are prominent Scientologists, among them Hans Beekmans, dentist members of the royal family, married to Maria Koster, former executive director of Scientology in the Netherlands.
    Scientology is obviously enthusiastic about the tax Nabesa well as ANBI accept and actually a tax shortcut of the cult tolerates. "It is a paradise compared with other European countries, where many churches have to pay tax on any donation, and where donations can not be deducted," writes Scientologist Swan in internal documents.
    Scientology has even more to cheer about too: not only the foundation Nabesa ANBI status has been given, but include also the foundation Narconon. That foundation, run by Scientologists, also sprang from the ideas of the "author and humanitarian L. Ron Hubbard.
    Narconon presents itself as a rehab center for addicts in the broadest sense, but is many years as a trap for the Church of Scientology. Addicts are a lot has been published about crammed with vitamin pills, they are sent to the sauna, and they should, inter alia, against an ashtray talk.
    The foundation of the Dutch Committee for Human Rights (NCRM) in the Van Ostade in Amsterdam also has the ANBI status. The board of the foundation were in the past, Scientologists and Patrick and Julia Peperstraete Rijnvis long official spokeswoman for Scientology in the Netherlands.
    The NCRM is the Dutch counterpart of the U.S. Citizens Commission on Human Rights (CCHR), a Scientology subsidiary that has the task of official psychiatry to discredit. Scientology founder Hubbard, who was convinced that all the mental suffering of humanity is traced back to the misconduct seventy million years ago the tyrant Xenu, saw the official psychiatry always as serious competition for his pseudo religion.

    In the Netherlands, the committee hardly active in the U.S. in the past extensive smear campaigns.And finally, the Foundation The Way to Happiness in Haarlem ANBI status. The board members Ella van Loon, who is regarded as a patron of Scientology, and again Beekmans dentist. Also from this foundation is the aim of spreading the word of Hubbard. There may be ordered copies of The Way to Happiness, the translation of The way to happiness of the "human scientists" Hubbard, Scientology is a Bible, including commandments.
    All publicity regarding the status of the foundation ANBI Nabesa by Scientology also parried by the fixed protocol of the sect. Thus says Scientologist Jeelof, board member of Nabesa, on the Internet "black propaganda": Scientology, reasons Jeelof is against drugs, and thus can hardly be otherwise than that Parool funded by drug traffickers.
    Scientology Money for new housing comes through tax shortcut, the "church" has several foundations ready for this"Why would the ancillary institutions have a good purpose?"
  19. Anonymous Member

    sry for bad formatting
  20. Anonymous Member

    Very interesting.
    I didn't know they had Way to Happiness in Haarlem.
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  21. Dragononymous Member

    Just wait until you see the following...
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  23. Quentinanon Member

    Dragonanonymous, I don't follow the diagram. Perhaps you could just explain it.
    How does the scientology crime syndicate get tax exempt money from donators?
    Gullible mark give Nabesa Stichting money, which gives it to scientology. How does the Blastingdienst figure in with this?
  24. Dragononymous Member

    Because of the current ANBI status that Nabesa (and a couple of other scientology foundations) have over here, the 'donator' can use a loophole in the tax system to get 50% of his donation back from the state.
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  25. Dragononymous Member

    I know the current picture ain't that clear and rubbish, but it's something that I personally only just thought of.
    I'll try to make a new picture that might be easier to understand

    But one thing is for sure; If they are allowed to use this we're screwed over here...
  26. Quentinanon Member

    WTF! Sounds like Poon Time.
  27. Dragononymous Member

    The problem is, I (personally) don't have the evidence that A. This actually works B. It's being used & C. That it's being used by scilons.

    Now I know only a few here would disagree that they will, but I can't proof it and haven't got a clue at the moment how to proof it.

    Another major concern is that, while this new location is shit and needs a lot of work, every scilon has some sort of company that could do a part of the job to make the Ideal Org possible > they're making themselves richer and richer

    Once again we learn people, never underestimate your enemy
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  28. Quentinanon Member

    In plain English then:
    Person A give Nabesa Stichting 500 Euros.
    The Nabesa Stichting gives the 500 Euros to the Scientology Crime Syndicate.
    The Nabesa Stichting or Person A files some paperwork with the Belastingdienst for the "donation".
    The Belastingdienst pays Person A 250 Euros because of the ANBI status for Nabesa.
    The Scientology Crime Syndicate pays Person A 250 Euros for some reason. (Why?)
    Person A is not out any money at all because the 500 Euros was paid half from the Belastingdienst and half from the scientology crime syndicate.
    The Scientology Crime syndicate is paid 250 Euros from the Government of Holland.
    Am I missing something or is this a huge scam?
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  29. Dragononymous Member

    That's basicly what it is.
    And the reason why scientology would give it back would be to restart the whole proces
    AKA
    Infinite Money by the Government
  30. Quentinanon Member

    I think we all need to start emailing the Dutch House of Representatives if this is going on! http://www.houseofrepresentatives.nl/
    Someone needs to cancel the Nabesa Stichting charitable status fast and force the Scientology Crime Syndicate to pay all the money back.
  31. Dragononymous Member

    1. It's not just Nabesa (see previous article)
    2. There's a limit of 10% of what you earn a year, but with donators who earn multiple millions a year and a few hundred other members..
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  32. Anonymous Member

    Brilliant scam. Need dox and poon targets.
    kthxbai
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  33. Dragononymous Member

    Email addresses of Members of Parliament who are known with the whole ANBI discussion (mentioned above in the article);

    m.berndsen@tweedekamer.nl
    rvraak@sp.nl

    Finding dox however will be harder..
  34. Dragononymous Member

    Update concerning the questions:

    Dutch:
    Aka, lazy bastards don't have the guts to answer, as expected
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  35. TrevAnon Member

    Answers to the questions are in:

    http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/documen...ing-kamervragen-over-donaties-aan-sektes.html

    Google translate of answers:

    So:

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  36. Dragononymous Member

    Finally!
    That only took them like, 2,5 months...

    2,5 months to conclude that 'organisations that ain't allowed to have benefits of the ANBI-status, aren't supposed to get those benefits by other routes"

    No shit Sherlock?
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  37. Anonymous Member

    I'm actually positively surprised by these answers. They could have just made a reference to this confidentiality statute and leave it at that. By actually bothering to make a general statement about organisations that benefit by other routes, they are actually commenting on the Scientolgy case whilst not actually commenting on it. Or that, at least, is one possible interpretation.

    But than again, the status hasn't been removed either. You would expect that such an investigation would be finalized within a few months. Ah well, we'll wait and see a few more months.
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  38. Dragononymous Member

    Google Translate the quote for the entire story, main points are;

    The new building is officially planned to become an Ideal Org.
    Scilon Problem: L.A. hasn't given permission yet > Amsterdam won't give permission on a "Ideal Org" which might not even get there because no-one knows what L.A. wants.
    Ideal Org apparently = Multifunctional Church

    Yes this is almost a month old, I don't read through payed archives of newspapers in Amsterdam on a daily basis.
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  39. Random guy Member

    So, basically they've bought a building they don't really know what to do with? Management tech at it's finest!
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  40. Zak McKracken Member

    DM camping out at Creston Ranch?

    sadly, he's all out of Broekers this time

    so... who wants to be the next COB?
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