Eastern European Politicians & Scientology Rumours

Discussion in 'Media' started by mnql1, Jan 16, 2010.

  1. NOTE: Should this be made a separate thread? We are now discussing Slovakia, and not the Ukraine.

    Some follow-ups.

    Google translation from Czech to English:
    Fico accused rival of contact with Scientology. They are afraid of losing, says Kiska

    Google translation from Slovak to English:
    They caught him? Presidential candidate Kiska lectured on Scientology
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  2. This thread is getting really confused.

    The alleged OT6 is the original subject of this thread, Arseniy Yatsenyuk. who is a candidate for President of Ukraine.

    They guy who published the book, Andrej Kiska, is a candidate for President of Slovakia. See above.

    The posts re: Andrej Kiska and Slovakia really need to be pulled made into a separate thread.
  3. Again, talking only about Andrej Kiska, a candidate for President of Slovakia.

    Google translation for Czech to English:

    Kiska Fico accused of having links to Scientology. He replied criminal information
  4. The Wrong Guy Member

    There was a follow-up article today.

    Fico’s government subsidised firm with Scientology ties

    19 Mar 2014 Flash News

    THE ECONOMY Ministry under Smer provided funding to a company whose top representative is a Scientologist. This information surfaced in the presidential campaign after Prime Minister Robert Fico, who is running in the election as Smer’s candidate, repeatedly accused his run-off opponent, Andrej Kiska, of being a scientologist.

    Head of the non-parliamentary Civic Conservative Party (OKS) Ondrej Dostál announced on March 18 that the company Svidník PPS received a subsidy from the Economy Ministry in May 2013 worth over €48,000, and in January 2014 another worth €185,000, the SITA newswire reported. The company’s owner, CEO and board director, Michal Homza, speaks openly about his affiliation with Scientology, the Sme daily reported.

    “State subventions for technologies that do not require a security clearance have nothing in common with the fact that the presidential candidate Kiska was proved to have publicly lied about not being in contact with the Scientology sect,” the ministry’s spokesperson Stanislav Jurikovič responded, as quoted by SITA. Fico’s spokesperson Beatrice Szabóová responded with the same answer.

    Source: SITA, Sme
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  5. It is again important to keep things straight.

    The alleged OT6 is the original subject of this thread, Arseniy Yatsenyuk. who is a candidate for President of Ukraine.

    The guy who published the book, Andrej Kiska, is a candidate for President of Slovakia. See above.

    NOW, the above-quoted post states that the government of Prime Minister Robert Fico, Andrej Kiska's opponent for the position of President of Slovakia, funded a company whose top representative is a Scientologist. "The company’s owner, CEO and board director, Michal Homza, speaks openly about his affiliation with Scientology, the Sme daily reported."

    Michael Homza Scientology Service Completions
    It appears that the the government of Prime Minister Robert Fico, Andrej Kiska's opponent for the position of President of Slovakia, subsidized a World Institute of Scientology Enterprises (WISE) company.

    It further appears that Scientology is trying to infiltrate and influence Slovakia through WISE.
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  6. In response to a question on ESMB:

    It is again important to keep the parties straight.

    From Goodreads, it appears the book by Slovakia Presidential candidate Andrej Kiska might be (Google translation from Slovak to English):
  7. The Wrong Guy Member

    Today there was another Kiska reference:

    Scientologists deny connection with presidential candidate Kiska

    20 Mar 2014 Flash News

    Scientologists have distanced themselves from the independent presidential candidate Andrej Kiska - and the presidential campaign generally.

    The rest of this article is premium content and is only accessible with a PIANO account.
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  8. The Wrong Guy Member

    Here's another article from today:

    Fico plays rough in campaign | The Slovak Spectator

    PRIME MINISTER Robert Fico, who in the first round of presidential voting failed to carry anywhere near the vote count his Smer party did in the 2012 parliamentary elections, has his campaign reloaded and ready to go as he takes on philanthropist Andrej Kiska in the second round run-off scheduled for March 29. Based on recent evidence, the country looks set for confrontational days ahead.

    Fico has made Scientology a buzzword of the day, accusing Kiska of links to the Church of Scientology with the philanthropist calling the allegations preposterous, while appealing to the prime minister to focus on the country’s problems and on what the president can do about them. Meanwhile, information that Fico’s own government-approved subsidies to a company run by a scientologist has surfaced, dragging the level of discussion down further.

    Police might be abused as a tool in the heat of the presidential campaign, Daniel Lipšic, the leader of the extra-parliamentary NOVA party, warned on March 19. He pointed to a recent email from regional police officials to district police directorates throughout Slovakia demanding statistics on suicides related to the operation of non-banking institutions, purportedly to defame Kiska, who once ran a consumer lending business. The police have confirmed that they sought the data on suicides that might be linked to activities of unlicensed financial institutions with Interior Minister Robert Kaliňák, but deny the motivations alleged by Lipšic, the Sme daily reported.

    Though Fico won the first round of the election with 28 percent of the vote, with 531,919 people backing him, Kiska finished just 4 percent behind at 24 percent, backed by 455,996 voters. Fico has several times restated that he is the winner of the first round and said he has the right to mobilise his voters. Meanwhile, all the parliamentary parties except that of Fico’s ruling Smer rendered their support for Kiska, including the two independent candidates, Radoslav Procházka and Milan Kňažko, who came in third and fourth with 21.2 percent and 12.9 percent, respectively.

    Meanwhile, all three presidents of the post-revolution Slovakia, Michal Kováč, Rudolf Schuster and Ivan Gašparovič, entered the campaigning and in a joint statement called on the nation to vote for whom they called an “experienced and internationally accepted politician”.

    The initiator of the call was Gašparovič. Kováč refused to disclose the circumstances of the initiative, while Schuster did not answer phone calls from Sme, according to Sme.

    Fico’s campaign revolves around stressing his experience and international contacts. Political scientist Juraj Marušiak from the Slovak Academy of Sciences (SAV) told the TASR newswire that the ex-president’s statement is a clear recommendation for whom to vote.

    By March 17 Fico was already on the attack, citing Kiska’s lack of experience in foreign policy. He also said that it is irresponsible for the opposition to support Kiska only to prevent Fico from becoming president.

    “I am calling on all the people to reject the hazard of the right wing, which in the name of fighting with Smer is ready to do anything,” Fico told the SITA newswire. “If the Antichrist entered the second round the right wing would support him.”

    Grigorij Mesežnikov, president of the Institute for Public Affairs, (IVO) said that he was surprised by Fico’s weak performance.

    “I had expected that he would get at least 35 percent,” Mesežnikov told The Slovak Spectator, suggesting that Fico’s voters might have just assumed that Fico would make it to the second round even without their help.

    He also faulted the way Fico and his party campaigned, focusing on discrediting Kiska, mainly towards the end of the campaign.

    New buzzword: Scientology

    Fico summoned a press conference on March 18 only to restate his earlier claims that Kiska is close to the sect of Scientology, adding that he would not take back his words even if Kiska sues him. “Mr Kiska lied to Slovakia on a live broadcast,” Fico said. “He knows people from this sect, has been meeting and cooperating with them.”

    Kiska, who has several times described claims linking him to Scientology as nonsensical, has filed a criminal complaint over some of the statements Fico made during the televised debates, which Kiska called libel and false accusations, SITA reported.

    Fico argued that the Scientology sect is not registered in Slovakia, adding that abroad the church established by L. Ron Hubbard is considered a security risk, while in Slovakia several firms have lost their security clearance due to contacts with this sect.

    However, it later emerged that Fico’s own government approved state funding for a firm led by a man openly declaring links with Scientology, warned chairman of the non-parliamentary party OKS Ondrej Dostál, as quoted by SITA.

    Fico’s government provided the subsidy to the firm PSS Svidník via EU funding through the Economy Ministry, Dostál said, explaining that more than €200,000 went to support the firm.

    “State subsidies for technology, which do not require security clearance, do not have anything to do with the fact that presidential candidate Kiska was found publicly lying that he is not connected with the Scientology sect,” Economy Ministry spokesman Stanislav Jurikovič told SITA.

    Kiska responded that it is Fico who represents a security risk for the country.

    “This is a typical game of the prime minister, he is worried of losing,” said Kiska, as quoted by TASR on March 18. “The security risk for this country is the prime minister, because he is unable to solve the problems of the people. Discontent is rising here and this is the risk.”

    Ahead of the first round of presidential elections, the Pravda daily reported that recently Kiska’s activities evoked doubts, as it turned out that he lectured for a society with a Scientology background and a similar group published his book ‘Take your life into your own hands’. Kiska’s book was published by Ladislav Pavlík, who is the president of the School of Management of L. Ron Hubbard, the founder of the Church of Scientology in the US. Kiska also granted an interview to a magazine with Scientology links. Fico now keeps restating these claims, while adding that Pavlík wrote a foreword to the book.

    “After I left business, I very frequently lectured; about business, life, charity,” Kiska wrote on his website called where he responds to criticisms. “I had dozens of lectures annually because I wanted to share my experiences.”

    When Pavlík offered to publish the book, Kiska said, “I paid for the publishing on my own and I used the services of Alert. I had no knowledge that Mr Pavlík or Alert would have been associated with Scientology or advocated its ideas.” Kiska added that if he had the slightest idea about the connection he would have never agreed with publishing the book nor the interview.

    “I have never been interested in it [Scientology]; do not let us be dragged in by the prime ministers’ games,” Kiska said on March 18, as quoted by TASR.

    Kiska has called on Fico to discuss the country’s problems rather than disseminate false accusations. Kiska assumes that Fico does not want the campaign ahead of the second round of the presidential elections to be about the scandals of Fico’s own government.

    “Let’s talk about how we see Slovakia and the president,” he said, emphasizing that he wants to be a non-partisan candidate who will be a counter-balance to the government.

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  9. Anonymous Member

    Not much to it, but here it is...

    Scientologists deny connection with presidential candidate Kiska

    20 Mar 2014 Flash News

    Scientologists have distanced themselves from the independent presidential candidate Andrej Kiska - and the presidential campaign generally.

    Prime Minister Robert Fico, Kiska’s rival for the post of president, claimed that Kiska had ties to the Church of Scientology. Kiska denies this allegation. Representative of Dianetics and Scientology for CEE, Krisztina Tamas-Feth, wrote in a statement quoted by the Sme daily that it is not unusual that false reports are spread during political election sand that Andrej Kiska is not intertwined with centres of Dianetics and Scientology, Sme quoted her on March 20.

    (Source: Sme)

    Compiled by Zuzana Vilikovská from press reports

    The Slovak Spectator cannot vouch for the accuracy of the information presented in its Flash News postings.
  10. Rádio Slovakia International - Scientology becomes a topic in campaign for president of Slovakia -
  11. Google translation from Slovak to English:

    Plus 7 DNI: They caught him? Presidential candidate Kiska lectured on Scientology

  12. China has taken note.

    Xinhuanet: News Analysis: Presidential run-off likely to be narrowest in Slovak history

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  13. Scientology the main topic of the Slovakia presidential elections.

    Slovakia Spectator: Scientológia

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  14. The Wrong Guy Member

    Slovak underdog has chance to beat PM Fico in presidential vote | Reuters

    Slovakia's political heavyweight Prime Minister Robert Fico faces the threat of his biggest defeat at the ballot box from an underdog philanthropist in presidential election runoff on Saturday.

    Voters in the central European country gave the center-left leader a disappointingly lukewarm endorsement in the first round of voting two weeks ago amid fear the 49-year-old would amass too much power, which some see as unhealthy for democratic checks and balances.

    In the second round, bookmakers give an edge to political newcomer Andrej Kiska, a businessman turned philanthropist who is riding on the wave of anti-Fico sentiment among right-wing voters as well as distrust in mainstream political parties suspected of complicity in graft scandals.

    A Fico victory would give his center-left Smer party full control of all the main power centers in the euro zone country of 5.5 million, even if the Slovak constitution does not grant the president himself a huge political role.

    Fico, who has led the country since sweeping a parliamentary election in 2012, won 28 percent of the vote to Kiska's 24 percent on Saturday, a smaller margin than opinion polls had indicated. There have been no fresh polls since the first round.


    Campaigning has turned tough in the final weeks. Fico accused Kiska of usury in consumer lending firms he used to own, for which Kiska filed a criminal complaint against his opponent.

    Fico has also accused Kiska, an independent candidate with no party of his own, of being close to Church of Scientology, founded by science fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard in 1954. Scientology is not registered in mostly Catholic Slovakia.

    Kiska denied any close links to Scientology, which critics describe as a cult that harasses people who try to quit.
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  15. The Wrong Guy Member

    Political newcomer Kiska trounces PM Fico in Slovak presidential election | Reuters

    Philanthropist and former businessman Andrej Kiska trounced Prime Minister Robert Fico in Slovakia's presidential election on Saturday as voters feared Fico and his center-left party would amass too much power.

    Results from over 99 percent of voting districts showed the politically unaffiliated Kiska leading the center-left prime minister by 59.4 percent to 40.6 percent.


    Kiska made millions of dollars through consumer credit companies that he sold a decade ago, setting up a charity to help families with ill children.

    Fico and other critics say he is a political amateur with an uncertain political stance, who made money in the past on loans they said charged unfairly high rates of interest.

    Kiska denies that accusation, as well as Fico's allegations he had close links with people from the Church of Scientology, which critics in the mainly Catholic country see as a sect.

    More at

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  16. The Wrong Guy Member

    So is there any evidence that Andrej Kiska was ever affiliated with the cult, or was this election campaign just another example of it being a terrible insult to be accused of being a Scientologist?

    Profile: Slovak President Andrej Kiska | Prague Post | The Voice of Prague

    Kiska also faced accusations of being close to the Church of Scientology, for which Fico called him "a security risk." Kiska has dismissed allegiance to the church."Andrej Kiska" Scientology"Andrej Kiska" Scientology
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  17. There is a follow-up article on another website that contains a new allegation I had not read before about Andrej Kiska, the new President of Slovakia:

    Voltairenet: Church of Scientology, Arseni Yatseniouk and Andrej Kiska

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  19. RolandRB Member

    Looks like the Czech republic is well on its was to being a Cleared country.
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  20. Perfecto Member

    Historically this country has been cleared so often it's lost count, and if Scientology gets a decent foothold they'll look back and think past events were a picnic compared to this lot.
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  21. I know you are trolling, but I feel compelled to point out that when we are talking about Kiska we are not talking about the Czech Republic, but instead Slovakia.
  22. RolandRB Member

    OK, so closer to Russia and the scilons plans to expose and depose Putin. Even better! :)
  23. The Wrong Guy Member

    Slovakia: Political Newcomer Elected President | The Typewriter

    Independent candidate, philanthropist and entrepreneur Andrej Kiska has become the new President of the Slovak Republic after securing 19% more votes than his opponent, Prime Minister (PM) Robert Fico, in the second round of elections. This outcome may well mark the start of a historic change in Slovak politics, mainly because Kiska is the first president without a Communist background. A large portion of the electorate is clearly disenchanted with traditional politics and has ousted several political veterans in favour of unknown candidates with little to no political experience.


    The second round of elections was marked by significant negative campaigning . Kiska was the target of an anonymously organised heavy leaflet anticampaign that slandered him as a loan shark because of his past as the founder of a consumer credit business. In the hope of deterring voters, the PM used an argument from these leaflets that Kiska was a dangerous supporter of Scientology. In an embarrassing turn, however, it was later found that the PM’s government had provided funding to a company represented by a Scientologist. While Kiska is also known for being the founder of Good Angel, a well-known Slovak charity supporting children with cancer, this was also turned against him by those who claimed that his philanthropy was only a publicity stunt. Nonetheless, these accusations appear to have fallen flat with voters.
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  24. DeathHamster Member

    Oh noes, they're breeding like lies!
    Okay, Internet domains. Let's see some of them, *sheeesh*!

    There's is A Martin Wiedermann in the completion lists, but that's not enough by itself.
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  25. Very good article going through the history of the allegation that Yatsenyuk is a Scientologist, and basically calling bullshit.

    Russian News Service Interfax Pushes “Ukrainian Prime Minister Is a Scientologist” Claim
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  26. explain the freaky stare then
  27. DeathHamster Member

    I was wondering about the lipstick.
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  28. The Internet Member

    Tie pattern is a subtle crossed cross.

    You know, I had a dream last night that Tony Ortega said, “The Internet” was “nothing more than a retarded troll,” on his blog.

    I was like, such purple prose.

    So... how many world leaders have had some Scientology in their backgrounds someplace? I think the Clintons might have, due to Mr. Clinton’s statement about “the roommate in college,” and the way they sucked up to Scientology, and the fascination with alternative medicine which continues. Jeb Bush, I dunno but the clams should have tried to sucker him in at some point or they are not doing their job.

    Think I read that the clams got really close to Billy Carter, Jimmy Carter’s brother. Maybe that is why Jimmy Carter tried to fire everybody in the CIA (CIA is full of Scientologists).

    Then there was Nixon and his band of covert operatives. Hubbard went way out of his way to say lots of bad things about Nixon, like he was afraid people might think there was some connection and he wanted to throw them off. But then someone linked to the Guardian’s Office did steal Tom Eagleton’s medical records from his psychiatrist’s office, which is curious. And HR Haldeman did not like doctors or taking meds and he was not very Christian for a Christian Scientist.
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  30. Anonymous Member

    More of the same... but down a different street...

    Scientology and short-term memory

    Editorial 15 May 2014

    Beata Balogová


    “SCIENTOLOGY” was a buzzword in Robert Fico’s presidential campaign, which largely revolved around falsely insisting that his main rival Andrej Kiska – who in a matter of weeks will be sworn into the presidential office – was connected to the Church of Scientology.

    Failed presidential candidate Fico repeatedly claimed that the Church of Scientology is a sect that is not registered in Slovakia, and which represents a security risk and “first of all has power ambitions”. To illustrate how serious of a concern it was to the state, Fico noted that in Slovakia several companies lost their security clearances because they had contacts with the sect.

    But it seems that Fico has some sort of short-term memory problem (let’s call it “campaign memory”). He, for some reason, was in no rush to remove Martin Wiedermann, nominated by his own party as the general director of the Central Securities Depository (CDCP), after the Sme daily reported that Wiedermann was associated with the Church of Scientology. He also owns the company Shift, which owns several internet domains connected to Scientology, according to Sme.

    While Kiska has several times denied being a Scientologist and explained how it happened that a Scientology sympathiser published his book and he once gave an interview to a magazine affiliated with the group, Wiedermann actually reported himself as being a Scientology devotee during the presidential campaign.

    Apparently this was no cause for concern for Fico and his Smer party, even though the CDCP gathers information about Slovak companies and manages the database of their shareholders, which is full of private and personal data.

    Moreover, Sme reported that with the CDCP, firms close to the sect have been particularly successful in public tenders. This would seem like slightly more reason for concern than giving an interview to a dubious magazine.
    The Scientology discourse reached its peak of absurdity when Fico saw the sign of the Church of Scientology in the name of Kiska’s former firm Triangel.

    “One of your firms is called Triangel, right”, Fico asked during a presidential debate televised on TA3. “The sign of the Church of Scientology is a triangle. Mr Kiska, you are interconnected with this sect and you have not negated any of the evidence I presented.”

    Fico no longer sees the triangle as a threat, which makes one wonder how serious he has been about other claims he made during the campaign, including, for example, the ones he made about fixing the ailing judiciary.
    “We are losing patience with the Slovak judiciary,” said Fico amid his presidential campaign and promised reforms. He also said that “it is an objective fact that the chairman of the Supreme Court divides the judiciary”, referring to Štefan Harabin, who is now running for re-election amid protests by political ethics watchdogs.

    “Thus, if Mr Harabin asked me whether I would propose him to run for chairman of the Supreme Court, I would tell him not to run, that I do not recommend it to him.”

    The watchdogs called on Fico to use his authority and the strength of his mandate to act in a way that frees the judiciary from Harabin’s influence.

    Yet, a recent survey conducted among judges by the Focus polling agency for judiciary ethics watchdog Via Iuris suggests that only 2.6 percent of the judges polled consider the overall condition of the judiciary very good. On the contrary, more than half of the 154 judges who responded to the poll, 56.5 percent, marked the situation in the judiciary as rather bad or very bad. When asked about the specific candidates, Zuzana Ďurišová, Jana Bajánková and Štefan Harabin, only 9.7 percent of the judges said they would vote for Harabin.

    The results hint that the decay in Slovakia’s judiciary isn’t only something the media and a couple of foreign diplomats made up.

    Fico, who has the drive to comment on a range of issues, has not been very talkative about the state of the judiciary recently, making critics, who said that his interest in the quality of the courts was just as short-lived as his presidential campaign, appear right.

    If the members of the Judicial Council fail to enact a true change at the top of the Supreme Court, then they will cause more harm to the citizens of this country the Church of Scientology ever could.
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  31. The Wrong Guy Member

    The campaign game

    By Benjamin Cunningham, The Slovak Spectator, August 20, 2015

    In the real world it is common to present evidence supporting a point of view at the same time the point of view itself is presented.

    For example: “I already paid my bill, here is the receipt” or “Miss, the radar clocked you at 170 kilometres per hour”.

    But this is not the case in political campaigns, where allegations are made well before the evidence is presented, if it is ever presented at all. The practice is not unique to Slovakia, but recent years have seen a certain expertise develop. The latest example of the practice comes as Igor Matovič claims that Prime Minister Robert Fico has a secret Belizean bank account that contains USD 675 million. Matovič presented no evidence and has not disclosed his source. Fico is suing; Matovič says he will produce evidence next month.

    Matovič’s goal, and the general idea, is to create doubt about a political competitor’s reputation and hope that the public is not paying much attention. Ideally, voters hear some shocking allegation but don’t hear about it later when it has been disproven. Alternatively, a series of allegations, true or not, can accumulate into a vague public feeling that the candidate is flawed – even if all the allegations prove false, the fact that there have been a lot of them is meant to be a bad thing.

    Fico may have a reason to be angry about the latest case, but he has been more than willing to engage in the practice himself. His preferred method is the baseless and absurd open ended question, one that is impossible to answer. The failure of the opponent to answer is used as proof of guilt, and anyone who tries to answer indirectly gives legitimacy to the ridiculous question itself.

    During a televised debate with Andrej Kiska, who defeated Fico in the March 2014 presidential election, the prime minister sought to paint Kiska as a member of the Church of Scientology. “One of your firms is called Triangel, right?” Fico asked Kiska during the debate. “The sign of the Church of Scientology is a triangle. Mr Kiska you are interconnected with this sect and you have not negated any of the evidence I presented.”

    There was no evidence presented – other than the repeated mention of a certain polygon – making the allegation difficult to negate. There is no way that Fico really believed Kiska was a Scientologist – and he wasn’t – but that didn’t stop the baseless allegations.

    Just weeks ago, Fico pulled off a similar move as he sought to tarnish political rivals from the Siet’ party — perhaps Fico’s strongest challenger in an admittedly weak field.

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