ed shultz now opposes keystone pipeline, tells the president to come to Nebraska

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by commisiar, Mar 6, 2014.

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  6. commisiar Member

    ah that site, I hope you realize that they also tried to smear a tv show the mentalist for an episode they did about fracking water pollution called gray water in trying to show that they got it wrong.

    So the Koch boys might not be the main beneficiaries but of course that is just trying to undermine the arguments, they are poised to obtain billions either way and expand their profiles 50 fold.
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  7. Rockyj Member

    You know News Busters is a far right wing machine right?


  8. commisiar Member

    Oh this is just epic, their goes their credibility and getting entirely discredited on this forum. I'm a neutral but even I see that their used as a disinformation machine.
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    We ll duh! Relax, it was tongue-in-cheek cynicism in the vein of this is what happens when ur doinitwrong.

    Sometimes, a minority opinion starts out on solid ground in a losing battle. Then it gets beefed up with media hype and subsequently spun far enough out of the proportion that the right wingers can co-opt it and turn it into something it isn't. And then - walla - it's a bad thing, the plot is lost and useless faggotry prevails.

    Think - Tea Party. The Tea Party and what is was supposed to stand for was originally a damn good concept in theory. Until the radical side of the GOP co-opted it and took their version of it mainstream. And now it's a dirty word.

    The Occupy movement followed the same basic pattern, minus the right wingers. Too many hippy wannabe woo slingers jumped onboard snapping their fingers and they lost the plot.

    Personally, I'm neutral on this issue and could care less. But I found the right wingers jumping on it with their own spin interesting in a twisted-lulz kind of way in regards to apparently the effort to stop this has lost its legs. And I'm not saying that's a good thing, just anticipating the omfg-those-stoopid-fucks-are-clueless lulz to come as other right wingers pick up this angle and run with it.
  11. Rockyj Member

    "Personally, I'm neutral on this issue and could care less. "

    If you had a brain in your measly head you would take it out and play with it.
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    Bawwwwwwwl harder why don't you.
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    Video too long deleted it for sorter version.
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    KXL Veto a Strong Move

    In response to news reports that President Obama will veto any Congressional legislation forcing approval of the Keystone XL pipeline, Executive Director May Boeve issued the following statement:

    “It’s good to see the White House drawing a line in the sand on Keystone, and standing up for our climate. President Obama is right to veto politically-driven legislation that undermines the State Department’s independent review process, and increases our reliance on fossil fuels. We’ll continue to support President Obama to stand up to Big Oil and reject Keystone XL once and for all.”
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  17. Hugh Bris Member

    I've not paid any attention to this issue, but if RockyJ is agin it I'm for it.

    I wonder if anyone considers what happens if the pipeline isn't built? Does that oil not get produced, or does it move to market in another manner? Is that other method as safe as a pipeline?

    And, what comes around...40 years ago it was the Alaska pipeline that had the libs all stirred up.
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    House set to approve Keystone XL pipeline

    The House of Representatives on Friday is expected to pass a bill approving the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, while Senate majority leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) will bring the National Security Agency reforming “USA Freedom Act” before his chamber for a full vote. Both pieces of legislation face significant hurdles on their quests to become law, potentially setting the stage for more partisan battles.
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    U.S. House passes Keystone bill | Reuters

    The Republican-led U.S. House of Representatives approved the Keystone XL pipeline on Friday, but a similar measure struggled to get enough support in the Senate and President Barack Obama indicated he might use his veto if the bill does get through Congress.

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    American Indian Tribe Calls Keystone XL Pipeline Vote An 'Act Of War' | ThinkProgress

    As the U.S. Senate prepares to vote this week on a bill to force approval of the controversial Keystone XL pipeline, which the House of Representatives already passed on Friday, American Indian groups who would be directly impacted by the tar sands project are converging on Washington D.C. to voice their opposition.

    The Rosebud Sioux Tribe, whose territory in South Dakota lies along the proposed route of the pipeline, released a statement last week calling Congressional approval of the project an “act of war against our people.”

    In a call with reporters on Monday, President Cyril Scott of the Rosebud Sioux Tribe vowed to fight back should the pipeline win government approval.

    “Did I declare war on the Keystone XL pipeline? Hell yeah, I did,” said Scott. “I pledge my life to stop these people from harming our children and grandchildren and way of life. They will not cross our treaty lands. We have so much to lose here.”

    Scott arrives in D.C. on Tuesday and plans to “rattle the doors” on Capitol Hill ahead of the evening vote. He said he hopes to draw special attention to the fact that the pipeline would cross one of North America’s largest fresh water sources, an aquifer that provides water for a full quarter of the nation’s farmland.

    “I’m going to talk to every senator and anybody who will talk to me,” he said. “I will tell them, ‘It’s not a matter of if the pipeline will contaminate the Ogallala Aquifer, but when. And if you contaminate the aquifer, we can’t drink, we can’t grow crops. Where are we going to get our water, from Congress?’”

    Besides the environmental threat of the pipeline, which Scott called an “atrocity against all humans,” the Rosebud Sioux say the U.S. government has not met its treaty obligations to ask the tribe for approval of projects that cross their territory. “The U.S. government does not consult us,” he said, noting that concerns brought to the Department of Interior and to the Department of State have been so far ignored. “We have a sovereign nation. We have our own constitution and laws here. But they violated my people’s treaty rights once again.”

    Scott emphasized that the “war” he is declaring is a legal one, not a physical one. To bolster his tribe’s efforts, he is calling for a meeting of all the tribes in the Great Sioux Nation in the coming weeks. “When I was elected and took my oath of office, I said I would protect the next seven generations,” Scott told reporters. “I have that obligation not only as president, but as a warrior of the tribe.”

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  21. Enturbuleak Member

    FFS, you think by stomping your feet and yelling, that Canadian oil will stay in the ground? Dream on. I am a STRONG proponent of Keystone XL pipeline. It is far safer to transport crude oil by pipeline than by railroad.

    If Keystone continues to be blocked by Obama, Canadian oil will be end up being piped either East or West within Canada, and then exported. Personally, I think it would be in Canada's interest to build new refineries near extraction points, to allow value-added refined petrochemicals to be exported.
  22. Hugh Bris Member

    There are some people here who think gas comes from a pump at a gas station and that milk comes from a bottle in the grocery store.
    Without that network of pipes our economy would be far poorer than it is. And complaining about pipelines is a First World Problem. Without those pipelines we'd be knee deep in 3rd world problems
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  23. The Wrong Guy Member

    Obama Vetoes Keystone XL Pipeline Bill | New York Times


    By saying no to the legislation, Mr. Obama retains the authority to make a final judgment on the pipeline on his own timeline. The White House has said the president would decide whether to allow the pipeline when all of the environmental and regulatory reviews are complete.

    But the veto — his first rejection of major legislation as president — is also a demonstration of political strength directed at Republicans who now control both chambers of Congress. Mr. Obama is signaling that he will fight back against their agenda.
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    TransCanada asks US to suspend pipeline application review | The Associated Press

    TransCanada, the company behind the controversial Keystone XL pipeline from Canada to the U.S Gulf Coast, has asked the U.S. State Department to pause its review of the project.

    TransCanada said Monday it had sent a letter to Secretary of State John Kerry requesting that the State Department suspend its review of the pipeline application. The pipeline company said such a suspension would be appropriate while it works with Nebraska authorities for approval of its preferred route through the state that is facing legal challenges in state courts.

    The move comes as the Obama administration was widely expected to reject the pipeline permit application.

    "We have just received TransCanada's letter to Secretary Kerry and are reviewing it. In the meantime, consideration under the Executive Order continues," State Department spokeswoman Elizabeth Trudeau said.

    The White House declined to comment, referring all questions to the State Department.

    The State Department review is mandated as part of the application process because the pipeline crosses an international border. The State Department does not have to grant TransCanada's request for a pause in the review process and instead can continue the review process.

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