Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

the one and only true logical solution depends entirely on the answer to this question:

how much would a robocop mask cost?

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Probably a lot, assuming you can find one.

It might be possible to fashion one out of a bike helmet.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

H0m3r, I understand your position. While, I'd like to associate the masks with the actual Guy Fawkes ("the only person to enter parliament with honest intentions"), but Epic Fail Guy will always take precedent to some people.

I personally found it easier to wear a surgical mask and sunglasses. I'm still masked, which fits in with Anonymous, but still separated out from 4chan.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

to be honest it may be because I'm a huge fatty and I wear a scarf but I get pretty warm under the fawkes mask, and the warmer it gets outside the worse it gets under the mask. Dripping sweat condensation of breat (which almost killed me in april til D. Death supplied me with lifesaving dentine)

so I think I will be doing something differen for a mask going forward purely out of practicality reasons

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

I'd go with the surgical masks. They sell them in packs of 5 and I used my last one on Saturday meaning I need to buy a new pack anyway. I should have some extras if people want them.

Also, drink lots of water, it should help cool you down.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Ormuzd, where do you get your masks? walmart, shoppers?

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

I get them from Wal-Mart in the pharmacy section. I think I paid about 4 dollars for the pack or something like that.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

This is becoming childish. Lets return to the topic at hand about inappropriateness at the protests to see if we can find an amicable compromise.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Can I point out here that "This is becoming childish" *is* the topic? The futile nature of the arguments in play, as well as the apparent inability by some to offer a reasoned or considered response very much is the basis for the schism.

Many people, from both sides of the deabte, as well as several neutral parties *have* offered considered, reasoned opinions, and I at least, feel somewhat enlightened by the debate, and the opinions offered.

My position on the debate however, is simply...reinforced by "This is becoming childish". It is. 100%. Solutions to that, however, evade me.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Yes this really helps.

edit: It's really simple. If don't agree with us, be a part of the old thread and stay in the regular protest. Feel free to argue if you are going to do it constructively but really now, what are you trying to do? Are you offended by our statements? Why?

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

To avoid offence to the people who disagreed with us, and allow the other thread to get back on track was WHY this thread was created. I for one, am not sorry for this...the debate this has caused has raised my respect for qutie a few people, showing them to be capable of considered, intelligent responses, even if they disagree with me. The PM conversations with people have been enlightening, and, with luck, us moralfags will be able to continue to contribute in a way that makes us comfortable, and still accomplishes things.

Can't wait for coffee on friday. Seems the good folk will be there.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

besides that, I'll be at the protes(s) if and when they occur, I'll be the one wearing a mask and protesting scientology because I think it's guilty of may wrongdoings.

I will laugh at people doing funny things. I will continue to think that some things are inappropriate (racism in any form, for example) ad I will continue to dance like an idiot.

I will continue to only hold signs that have legitimate things on them, as opposed to unsubstatiated claims about tom cruise's sexuality (is it that big a deal if he is or isn't?) and I will not high five someone for breaking the law or for attacking someone verbally or otherwise for their gender, race, sexuality, or allergies.

I will enjoy the rick roll, though I prefer the fresh prince, I realise that since I'm not a channer, I may not be entitled to enjoy these things but as I said, I'll be the one in the mask, if you have a problem, you can come talk to me about it.

I think that regardless of how many people show up to any given protest, barring medical considerations (such as this last protest) I will be there. Even if I'm holding a sign by myself and singing Rick Astley with nobody to listen. I've been against this monolithic cult since early 2001, and I finally have an outlet for it, which I won't be giving up on. I will continue to try to bring as many people as possible, and talk to as many people as I can.

I talk alot!

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Look, since I haven't repeated myself enough times I'm going to say it again:
I have no intention of splitting the protest in two. I feel that people CAN co-exist, but I personally chose to not protest with the /b/ullshit. The separate thread is for the few that also feel this way and want to get together so that we're not all protesting alone. If this is not how you feel, be at the regular protest - you will barely recognize our absence there.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Also, didn't we agree not to "split up" the protest, but rather to "extend" the protest? With the moralfags taking over after the /b/tards had left? This makes for a longer protest, instead of multiple protests.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

the way I see it if there's more than one protest, then I'll just go to more than one protest. all I'm doing on an ordinary saturday is sleepig in and doing laudry anyways, so I don't mind spending more time out with a sign.

If there are people who want to protest at a different time/place, they aren't forcing other people to. like megaphonebitch said, "What others do at a protest really isn't under your control." so the whole point of there being a debate is kind of silly. having a second protest won't wreck the main one, and the mai protest existing won't wreck a second protest.

basically, if you go to a protest, great, if you don't, that's your option. I think I've heard it said that anonymous is not your own personal army. this goes for non channers as well as channers. I would love if everyone could get along, but it's not always possible, and if the end result is spreadig out the people across multiple protests, it's not all that bad. so channers, enjoy your memes, moralfags, don't enjoy them, I'll be there for any protests that happen, because I believe in the cause.

hope to see you all there.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

As I've said earlier, the guerrilla marches/standing at a corner in Churchill Square while the main protest happens at the church was very effective, and since those people are more likely to be approached by foot traffic it would be the best location for moralfags like H0m3r to protest.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

That bullshit is what started these protests. How about enlightening them instead of disowning them?

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Not once have I asked anyone to believe what I believe. Not once have I asked a single person to change how they behave. Not once have I asked anyone here to be anyone other than who they are.

As I recal I said "I don't like this, so I'm going to do things a little different. If you agree, you are free to join me, if not, hey, all good too."

If you feel you must attack me personally because I refuse to change what I believe to make you happy, while I am not remotely asking you or anyone else to change what you believe, well, I will be happy to continue to post here, for others to read. You choose to read, and you can choose not to. Just as I can choose to take part in the main body of the protest, or choose not to. That is what this is all about.

EDIT: "That bullshit is what started these protests. How about enlightening them instead of disowning them?"
Again: Because we are not asking you to change what you believe the way you are asking us to change what we believe.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

This is certainly a good idea too. I hope I at no point led you to believe otherwise. Probably just as good as, if not more so than my "after the main protest" idea. Phsyical separation of the two has it's merits as well.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate)

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Been there. And that obviously sounded worse than I meant it because of the world bullshit. But honestly, that "bullshit" started the chanology yes, but that's not why I started. I was intoduced to xenu.net at the end of last year and would be fighting regardless, like previously mentioned by someone - this is just an outlet.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

this is true, guys. stop this.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Hey guys....

Just a thought, instead of pulling armageddon here and splitting your protests.

Take this out of the planning forums and put it in the think tank or something. I have no clue what your issues are but I have a feeling they are miscommunication.

Keep your eye on the goal here. If this is about a flashraid concept then great. if it's about creating a schism, then not so great. I'm sure there is a middleground and perhaps division of labor (ie flier handouts) might work better.

At the moment just spot reading this thread it seems like alot of drama over something very simple. I have faith you guys will resolve it.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Protip: ^---Doesn't help advicewise. Some of these guys have legitimate reasons not to want to protest with /b/tards. If what 404 has been telling me (since you know, I try to find out about the issue instead of reading dramallama forum posts and making wild assumptions) is what has been happening at these protests, I don't blame him for wanting to slightly separate himself from them.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

It both surprises and sickens me when the Thunderdome becomes a source for reason and logic. If it wasn't for the link to this thread posted in the Dome, I wouldn't have seen it.

So - is THIS the "faggotry-of-the-month" that we have to put up with now? These giant walls of text made up of nothing but Uber-Thinking and Fail?

Actually, I'm seeing some pretty well-thought out opinions here, some relatively intelligent insights and ideologies and even some pretty good "points". But the bottom line is this:

STAY ON TARGET

You hate hearing that? Is this getting "old" - ?

STAY ON TARGET

Tough shit.

All this bellowing, whining, weeping and pissing about "You're not doing it right! Wah!" amounts to absolutely nothing. Even SUGGESTING a split or schism in the Real World protests against the Abuses of the Scientology Organization is akin to suggesting a Monthy Theme of Furry Love. You want evil? THAT is evil.

I, for one, will not put up with this bullshit for very long. No matter how "intelligent" this discussion may seem or actually be - it's still devisive and will lead to nothing good.

And another thing - just to clarify:

"This is why we can't have nice things" is something everybody's mom has been saying since the mid-1960's - at least. In the late 80's/ early 90's, stand up comic Paula Poundstone popularized it in her routine (something about breaking a Flinstones cartoon juice glass and pissing off her mom.)

Now - seeing as this discussion is clearly going no where.

WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL WALL

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate)

I don't feel like I am "remaining myself" when I am wearing the same mask as the person next to me. I understand what people are saying, "stick together, we're all fighting for the same thing" but please understand that by me taking my signs and protesting a little later on in the day with a few others is not doing anything but helping the cause.

In fact, it'll put the pressure on them a little more - would it not?

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

See, I think the point here is...no, I don't. The thing of this is that no one can dictate anything to anyone else. You can not dictate terms to me, tell me what to do, or what to believe, nor can I you. You have your opinions, and they are valid, as valid as anyone else's, but they won't change what I believe. I've not asked anyone to change what they believe, or to label or split anything. I've tried to provide a way for those people who have legitimate reasons to not want to participate in chanology a way to participate.

If you object to having more people protest, and actively work against scientology...then really, who's side are you on? Are you telling us "you are free to believe...whatever I tell you to believe" and "you are free to act...however I tell you act?" Because this is about finding a way for people who would otherwise NOT be a part of chanology TO be a part of chanology. Not about dividing anything. It's about bringing people back to chanology, and brining in new people. Maybe not as part of 4chan's personal army...but it's not about 4chan...it's about the crimes of scientology.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate)

You guys just need to mediate and compromise a bit. That would help more no?

You start splitting your protest the likely hood of safety in numbers is diminished. You aren't dealing with grandma's knitting club but a multi-billion dollar evil cult who considers "protestors" to be true evil. /b/tard or not.

I sincerely ask you guys to really consider what you are proposing here.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Again, I have to say this.. and yes, like 404 said we do not want to split up the protest but extend it. I'm not asking ANYBODY to join us, I am not looking to have two different protests. What we've done is found a way that maybe 3-4 of us can continue to protest. Don't like it? Go back to the original and prove us that we will fail.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Saturday myself and 2 or 3 others stayed until 3:00 when most people left at 2:30. Traffic wasn't the same at the church and we weren't nearly as visible with so few.

What about starting at 10:00 at Churchill Square? It's only an hour before everyone else gets there, but we'd be present longer than normal and when we can make an impression.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

I don't know about you guys but I'm feeling rather enturbulated!


seriously, though. nothing at the protest is going to change, except some people will be standing aside from some other people, and perhaps staying a little later. perhaps there will be groups of people who won't speak much to each other.

let's just go out there dressed in our navy's finest and fight the good fight, however we choose, and with whichever groups of people we choose. fifty people with signs is fifty people with signs, regardless of which people are around which other people.

let's all go get some stress tests (I hear it's free) and get upstat again.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Certainly worth considering! You're coming on friday, right? Seems like a fair chunk are, we can discuss things then.

Edit; that in mind, anyone with mod powers, when you get a chance, nuking this thread could be a good idea. The moralfags have managed to find eachother, and we've all got PMs and e-mails etc, so we can work things out between us, and we even have a meet-up schedualed to figure out how to go about it. (Ormzud's idea being pretty good.) Now that the /b/tards have decided to call for /b/lackup and Epic Troll the thread, we might want to save enturb's bandwidth a bit by using the nuke.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Exactly. Please don't misunderstand me, I've spent all day trying to explain to people that I see this way also.
Just because I have to use the terms to explain what exactly is going on, doesn't mean I don't see us as a whole.
Which is WHY we will EXTEND the same protest. Why is it so hard to get?

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Ok... Did you read the implore part of my post? You are obviously missing the point of what I'm explaining to you.

You're setting a bad precedent for all of Chanology. You're being selfish. You're being ignorant. Turtling in wont solve the problem. You guys aren't solving a problem. You're selfishly creating a whole new set of problems.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

^this is a great idea. But OP doesn't read like what you describe. Nor is 404 saying what you're saying.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

"The problem" depends on who you ask. One side will say "the problem" is people who don't want to be associated with channers. The other side says the problem IS the channers. Pretty fundemental difference there.

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Massively off topic, but holy crap that was you that I passed with the billion signs? You disappeared before I could give you the cards I printed for Mal. :sad: Damn you. :flowers:

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Oh hell no. I gave up trying to make a point, or sense HOURS ago. I've just been epic trolling epic trolls for my own amusement waiting for the thread to get locked/nuked. Every CONCIEVABLE argument was made AGES ago, and now it's just circular reasoning and "YOU SHOULD DO WHAT I SAY BECAUSE I SAY IT".

I think somewhere around page 2 all that needed be said, coherant-argument wise was said. But hey Troll/counter-troll while I wait for patches to run and programs to install keeps me amused...

Re: Edmonton, Alberta (Alternate) AKA LORD OF THE FLIES

Are they the business cards with Guy Fawkes on the left side? If so, I was given a ton before the protest started and handed out quite a few.