Edward Snowden exposes National Security Agency domestic surveillance

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by The Wrong Guy, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. Anonymous Member

    He doesn't have your politics. Deal with it.
    And if he is a libertarian, then maybe that should tell you something about who has the moral courage to do the right thing.
    So far, I've Snowden act well and his opponents act like asses.
  2. Rockyj Member

    Making secret decisions about human beings lives without the ability of anyone challenging them or questioning if what they're doing is just or even right!
    Sounds like a fascism to me!
    Excuse me if the below article has already been posted, but WTF?
  3. Enturbulette Member

    I'll go one further. NEVER TRUST.
  4. Rockyj Member

    Fixed...just pissed.
  5. Rockyj Member

    Your right & excellent point but "moral courage" is more about a person's character than their ideology, political or religious beliefs.
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  6. The Wrong Guy Member

    Judge throws out ‘state secrets’ claim, allowing lawsuit against NSA to continue — RT USA

    The Obama administration will not be allowed to terminate a lawsuit by asserting that a civil argument would risk exposing national secrets, a federal judge ruled Monday in what has already been called an important advance for civil liberties advocates.

    The suit, known as Jewel vs. National Security Agency, was originally filed in 2008 by the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) and a group of AT&T customers who claimed Bush administration officials had conducted an “illegal and unconstitutional program of dragnet communications surveillance” by operating warrantless surveillance on US citizens.

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  7. Anonymous Member

    Make IRC logs yourself.
  8. Anonymous Member

    IRC logs made you.
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    NSA phone spying: EPIC, Privacy International file lawsuits to halt government surveillance

    By Ryan Gallagher

    Last two paragraphs:

    On the other side of the Atlantic, a separate legal challenge was lodged Monday in response to the government surveillance programs disclosed by Snowden. London-based Privacy International filed a complaint alleging that British spy agency GCHQ may be circumventing U.K. law by obtaining data on British citizens from the NSA’s PRISM Internet surveillance program. PRISM enables the NSA to collect data from companies including Google, Microsoft, Apple, and Facebook. The Guardian revealed last month that the NSA provides data collected by PRISM to GCHQ through a data-sharing agreement. Privacy International is also challenging the legality of a GCHQ spy program called Tempora, another spy effort exposed through Snowden’s leaks, that it alleges disproportionately gobbles up communications in violation of European human rights law. The group is seeking an injunction to block the surveillance. However, the challenge will be considered by a special secret Investigatory Powers Tribunal, which rarely rules against the government.

    The number of lawsuits concerning the surveillance is likely to grow in the weeks ahead. Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., is leading an attempt to garner the support of millions of Americans for a large-scale class-action lawsuit over the surveillance. The American Civil Liberties Union has already filed a challenge in the Southern District of New York over the NSA's surveillance of Verizon customers' phone records. And another challenge over the NSA’s mass phone records grab alleging that the monitoring “violates the U.S. Constitution and also federal laws” has been filed in Washington, D.C.
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  12. Anonymous Member

    I don't give a shit about his motives, just the info he released.
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  13. Rockyj Member

    And I thought they just made good beer;-)
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    Russian MP deletes tweet claiming Snowden chooses Venezuela for asylum — RT News

    NSA leaker Edward Snowden has chosen to take political asylum in Venezuela, tweeted senior Russian State Duma official Aleksey Pushkov, although he deleted the post minutes later.

    “Predictably, Snowden has agreed to [Venezuelan President Nicolas] Maduro’s offer of political asylum. Apparently, this option appeared most reliable to Snowden,” Pushkov, the head of the lower house’s Committee on Foreign Affairs tweeted.

    However, the post was deleted from the MP’s page on the microblog just minutes after it appeared.

    “Information about Snowden accepting Maduro’s offer of asylum comes from [Russian TV channel] Vesti 24 newscast at 18:00. Contact them for all questions,” Pushkov tweeted shortly afterwards.

    RT attempted to reach Pushkov via telephone for comment, but he was not answering. The MP’s aide has turned her telephone switch off.

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    WikiLeaks@wikileaks 1m
    Tomorrow the first phase of Edward Snowden's "Flight of Liberty" campaign will be launched. Follow for further details.
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  21. The Wrong Guy Member

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  22. This is what happens when a russian politician mixes vodka and the Internet.
  23. Kilia Member

  24. You need a hug.
  25. The Wrong Guy Member

    Rosie Gray@RosieGray 5m
    Iceland FM spox: "The Ministry has received a request for legal assistence from the US authorities regarding an US citizen."

    Rosie Gray@RosieGray 5m
    continues, "The request has been forwarded to the Ministry of Interior." seems to confirm earlier @wikileaks tweet about Snowden

    Rosie Gray@RosieGray 5m
    Iceland won't confirm that the citizen in question is Snowden, but does confirm request for "legal assistance" from USG was w/r/t US citizen
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    totient@totient 21h
    @ggreenwald I wrote a blog about the intersection of cryptography, capitalism, and law. I'd be intensely flattered if you wanted to read it.

    WikiLeaks@wikileaks 46m
    Encryption, tech giants and the law: Thank you for choosing Cypherpunk dystopia

    Rather than quoting an excerpt from the article, here's its footnote:

    Please Note: This piece is highly indebted to the ideas of Moxie Marlinspike, Jacob Appelbaum, and to a lesser extent Bruce Schneier. The stuff on the history of the cypherpunk movement in particular, and the bit on the false nature of liberal choice theory is ripped almost directly from a talk Moxie gave at Defcon 18. Hopefully people who haven’t come across these ideas elsewhere will feel curious to look those fine people up on the interwebs.
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  28. Anonymous Member

    Thank you for choosing cyberpunk dystopia.

    encryption, capitalism, and law

    Excellent read. Thanks Wrong Guy. I almost quoted the entire article.
  29. Anonymous Member

    Oh what the hell. Here is the entire article.
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    U.S. Voters Say Snowden Is Whistle-Blower, Not Traitor, Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Shift On Civil Liberties vs. Counter-Terrorism

    American voters say 55 - 34 percent that Edward Snowden is a whistle-blower, rather than a traitor, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.

    In a massive shift in attitudes, voters say 45 - 40 percent the government's anti-terrorism efforts go too far restricting civil liberties, a reversal from a January 10, 2010, survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University when voters said 63 - 25 percent that such activities didn't go far enough to adequately protect the country.

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    Snowden Seen as Whistle-Blower by Majority in New Poll

    A majority of U.S. registered voters consider Edward Snowden a whistle-blower, not a traitor, and a plurality says government anti-terrorism efforts have gone too far in restricting civil liberties, a poll released today shows.

    Fifty-five percent said Snowden was a whistle-blower in leaking details about top-secret U.S. programs that collect telephone and Internet data, in the survey from Hamden, Connecticut-based Quinnipiac University. Thirty-four percent said he’s a traitor. Snowden, 30, worked for McLean, Virginia-based federal contractor Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corp. (BAH)

    The poll also showed that by 45 percent to 40 percent, respondents said the government goes too far in restricting civil liberties as part of the war on terrorism. That was a reversal from January 2010, when in a similar survey 63 percent said anti-terrorism activities didn’t go far enough to protect the U.S. from attacks, compared with 25 percent who disagreed.

    “The massive swing in public opinion about civil liberties and governmental anti-terrorism efforts, and the public view that Edward Snowden is more whistle-blower than traitor, are the public reaction and apparent shock at the extent to which the government has gone in trying to prevent future terrorist incidents,” said Peter Brown, assistant director of Quinnipiac’s polling institute.

    The view of Snowden as a whistle-blower rather than traitor predominated among almost every group of respondents broken down by party, gender, income, education and age.

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  34. Anonymous Member
    RE: Ireland/Snowden extradition request
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  37. Random guy Member

    Nice and high number of people asked too, 2014. This may get political implications.

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