Edward Snowden exposes National Security Agency domestic surveillance

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by The Wrong Guy, Jun 5, 2013.

  1. fishypants Moderator

    Doubt it.

    This was first disclosed in 2006.

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  2. And now there are DOX.
  3. fishypants Moderator

    If I understand the Hepting decisions correctly, the reason why the legal cases against the telecoms companies did not succeed was not lack of evidence, but rather that the surveillance was made legal (including retrospectively) by the FISA Amendments Act 2008.

    In other words, the issue here is not lack of dox but lack of political will.






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  4. Anonymous Member

    And public outcry.
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  5. The Internet Member

    I do not like indiscriminate surveillance. So I'm in favor of more public discourse regarding this storage of phone call information.

    But I have to say, arguments of the form,"citizens good; government bad," are disturbing to me.

    I know we always go, "two tribes!" because we are like that. But this is not a time for the two tribes game. We have to be smarter than that. Because if the government has a database, you can bet private entities outside the government also have that same database.
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  6. The government is worse than bad. They (pick one) do the exact opposite, in important cases too numerous to list here, of what they are supposed to be doing. Do you really require examples, or do you rather like the fact that they are reading your Skype posts as you're typing them in, for one thing?
  7. Anonymous Member

    Which group has the monopoly on violence?

    The disturbance you feel could be cognitive dissonance. You want the government to be the force for good that you were taught, but the evidence on the ground is that the government is the most dangerous gang in the world. Hard to reconcile those facts.
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  8. The Internet Member

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  9. Anonymous Member

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  10. No, d*ckhead.
  11. Anonymous Member

  12. QFT

    Also: the one thing all governments seem to fear: the population taking to the streets. Just sayin'.
  13. The Internet Member

    Here's an idea: Let's blow up the government.
    Edit: I can tell I've scared people, which was not my intent. Allow me to explain:
    This poster is saying, "Government bad; citizens good," full stop. He or she makes no effort to distinguish the baby from the bathwater. As I stated earlier in this thread, I'm not happy about that.

    If you don't like my post but have no reaction to the one above it, please think about why that might be.
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  14. Anonymous Member

    No group has any such monopoly. All Governments have a monopoly on the use of deadly force. The word "violence" doesn't address the issue deeply enough.
  15. Anonymous Member

    Here's a better idea - Let's blow up balloons!
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  16. Anonymous Member

    Here's The $2 Billion Facility Where The NSA Will Store And Analyze Your Communications

    The National Security Agency (NSA) is in the information harvesting business — and business is booming.

    That's why the nation's premier covert intelligence gathering organization has been building a million square-foot data mining complex in Bluffdale, Utah, that will house a 100,000 square foot "mission critical data center."

    The NSA's official mandate is to listen to and decode all foreign communications of interest to the security of the U.S.

    But given the fact the NSA already reportedly intercepts 1.7 billion American electronic records and communications a day, it makes sense that they would need to expand operations beyond its sprawling headquarters at Fort Meade, Maryland.

    The facility, called the Utah Data Center, is located on Camp Williams, a training facility for the Utah National Guard, is set to open in October.

    And boy does it seem like an impressive operation.

    ... more at the link, via Cryptome.
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  17. If what you mean is: throw the bastards out and try some real democracy, sure.

    Otherwise, we here @WWP do not condone illegal activities like sedition, counterintelligence, much less violent revolution.
  18. Anonymous Member
    This from 2008
  19. Anonymous Member

    ^^ oops didnt see post about Verison building above
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  22. Anonymous Member

    I'll post them by company
    Cell phone companies
    cellular-spy3.pdf Data Retention by Major Cellular Providers 3 November 26, 2011

    aol-spy3.pdf AOL Lawful Spying Guide 3 November 25, 2011
    Time Warner
    twc-spy.pdf Time Warner Cable Spying Guide November 25, 2011
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  24. Anonymous Member
    What you did not know about you iPhone

  25. Anonymous Member

    iPhone/iPod Touch Forensics Manual

    Zdziarski, J


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  26. Anonymous Member

  27. Anonymous Member

    World of Warcraft
    An example would be Username: Slayer on Realm: Azuremyst
    Search Warrant:
    A fact not commonly know to us
    ers: Blizzard entertainment keeps chat logs for their
    games for up to 60 days. Chats can be saved lo
    nger with preservation order. Chats occur
    in a number of ways:
    1- Chat on a realm is divided into channe
    ls depending on where in the game physically
    the user it located – i.e. what City – wh
    at Forrest – What Lakeside – etc.
    2- Chat occurs also between teams of players
    3- Chat also occurs one on one just like IM
    chat between private parties in Yahoo chat.
    Blizzard did not differentiate for us which
    of these are the ones they save and we
    assumed they saved them all by what they said.
    We currently have a subpoena and a preser
    vation letter on an
    account involving “Lets
    Meet Off-line and have sex” chat. We will see what we get. After we identify by
    subpoena our thought is to do a Search
    Warrant for the actual chat.
  28. Anonymous Member

    Law Enforcement Compliance Guide About Photobucket


    NCMEC Reporting (cases dealing with child pornography)

    What is Photobucket’s ‘C
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    A: attempts to modera
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    S including for one of the following


    Animated Pornography

    Child Erotica

    Child Pornography (these accounts are reported the next day to


    Copyright Violation

    The following happens when an account is banned:

    The contents of the account (all images
    /videos at the time of the ban)
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    The user data (all registered subscriber info, IPs, dates/times, etc) is
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    The password to the account gets ch
    anged so the owner can no longer
    access their content.

    The contents of the account are no
    longer visible via the Photobucket
    ‘Search Engine’
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  31. Anonymous Member

    QFT. There is a reason why the NSA leaker sent the court dox to someone like Greenwald rather than another US outlet (or Alex Jones). Greenwald knows how to present the facts without the tinfoil OTT bullshit, and that approach is what is needed here.

    Protip: If you don’t want your argument to be dismissed as moonbattery then don’t sound like a moonbat.
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  32. Anonymous Member

    Speaking of Greenwald:

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  34. The Internet Member

    I see. So there exists some group of people capable of ushering in a New Era of "real democracy." So vote Scientology in the next election!

    From context and the vagueness of my language I'd hoped my point was clear: Getting rid of the government will result in [put your thinking cap on].
  35. Sarcasm is fail.

    "Getting rid of the government", as you put it, if you mean the US Federal government, will result in... states still running their own affairs in the meantime. The world won't end, quite the contrary.

    The Confederate states did it 'way back when; and, aside from the state of war, the world did not end because a major part of the US was not under Federal control. My reading of history even tells me that foreign powers recognized said Confederacy as a sovereign nation.

    inb4 "secessionist"
    inb4 "teabagger"
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  38. A.O.T.F Member

    Will we be to our knees upon the shore to watch the bereft of reason full sail away with our liberty and freedom? or will we be to our feet and fight?
  39. Anonymous Member

    The smaller the government, the easier it is to buy.
  40. Asheera Member

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