Egypt goes berserk

SO, what's your point, fucknuts? Because some of the protestors defended themselves from mindless slaughter, the opposition in Egypt constitutes a violent movement?
And of course, you didn't insinuate at all in your drastic oversimplification that the violence was similarly rooted in both groups. Right.
Just do something worthwhile for once and kill yourself, preferably before inbreeding. K Thx.

I don't think he's claiming the Egyptian protesters were a violent mob, nor was he claiming their demands aren't justified. All he was saying is that some of the protesters did defend themselves (WITH VIOLENCE) when they were attacked. To pretend this didn't happen is to create a lie. We have to accept reality before moving forward.

There was at least one moob that got seperated from his side and got beat to death by the crowd.

There was at least one other that was seperated from his side, and protected from injury from protesters by protesters.

And while college students were partying in the square (during daylight), there were poor rural communities suffering hunger because the economy was shut down.

Reality is complicated.

I think you give fuckwit far too much credit. Overall, the movement has been remarkably peaceful, except whereas violence was thrust upon those demonstrating. I'm not pretending there was no violence, but making a point out of saying 'hurdy hurr, it's not peaceful, see they was both fightin', is to detract from the reality of the situation, which is, as you say, complicated; and the gist of a comment like that is that both parties share similar responsibility for what has happened.

Given the following situation: A man breaks into a woman's home. She is alone. He attacks and attempts to rape her. She fights back, gains the upper hand, and he is detained. He files charges against her for violence. Her defense attests to her good character and states that she is non-violent.

Fuckwit would refute the defense's claim, and apparently you would endorse his/her refutation; pointing out that there was, in reality, violence from both sides.

And given that situation, my reaction would be precisely the same.

You're working from the assumption that 'Violence' automatically undermines completely the credibility of any movement.

Abandon that assumption, we can reach agreement. The American Revolution wasn't non-violent. Thus far, the Egyptians have out-done the Americans. Bravo to them.

(Not quite analogous; America was more like an insurgency against a foreign occupying force. Egypt is a rebellion against their own government.)

The point is that if you describe something as either violent or peaceful (and those are the only options available), it would be inaccurate - a misuse of language - to describe the protestors as violent, given that they have been there peacefully for 2 weeks, and one day they responded to attacks upon them.

Violence implies that invasion of another's space or rights, not the defence of them.

Violence doesn't cease to be violence when it's justified or in self-defense. It's still violence.

I'm not convinced you're making the same point as fuckwit. Semantically, yes, violence is violence, but as was mentioned, it is a vulgar misuse of language to describe the opposition movement as violent. When it gets to that point, if it does, then it would be accurate to state such, and would sound much less like douchebag rhetoric. To say that some protesters were justifiably violent, most not violent at all, whilst most of the moobs (they were not real protesters, as has been mentioned) were certainly unjustifiably violent... okay, but that isn't what I get from that comment.

Also, I will agree. I don't think, in any way, that justified violence undermines the credibility of a movement, especially if it is well calculated.
If I was among the demonstrators... I mean, fuck, do you realize how easy it is to make Napalm, and get a good spread of it?

I'm trying to cut out the rhetoric and offer factual descriptions of events instead.

'Violent' and 'Non-Violent' do not mean the same things as 'Just' and 'Unjust', or 'Good' and 'Evil.' Violence describes a certain sort of action - actions intended to inflict harm on others. Stop emphasizing the protests as strictly non-violent, and start talking about them as justified rebellion against paternalism, demanding the right of self-determination. You can tack on the fact that it's been largely non-violent. But don't sell it as something it ain't - and recognize that 'non-violence' is less important to the legitimacy of the protest than, say, the actual legitimacy of and popular support for their demands.

I could start a perfectly non-violent campaign in favor of my right to shit on my neighbor's windshield; it wouldn't make my demands reasonable or just. The non-violent approach would lend no credibility to my movement (heh).

I do not think this was suggested in the least by the post I had been responding to before you came in and spoke for him/her.
But I agree with your point here.

EDIT: That being said, emphasizing the "violence" of these demonstrations, in terms of this movement, is more harmfully misleading than the simple commendations on their efforts to promote peace during the demonstrations and not promote wanton random acts of violence across the landscape.

Back to the man and woman example. If I were to commend the woman from my analogy for her restraint in capturing this man and reporting him to the authorities, whereas I would've performed unspeakable acts of revenge in said circumstance and likely never reported it, and then some fucktard walks up and says, 'restraint! she didn't show no restraint! they both fought each other,' I'd likely drag the fucker out back and shit down his throat.

Oh I get it! You mean like Custer's non-violent last stand?

Sounds like Egypt protestfags learned to Anonymous:

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7327541n

MSM isn't even pretending anymore:

http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_n...s-and-israel-trust-egypts-vp-but-do-egyptians

apparently numbers have grown in tahrir square and they are shouting "fraud". the people of egypt are not falling for hosni and his stooges' charade.

also human rights watch is claiming that upwards of 297 have died and there is pressure on the hospitals to under report fatalities and the massive injury that has been inflicted.

Best tweet of the day

Yes, but AIPAC determine who is elected to US congress and therefore holds much more power than either the people of Egypt or Human Rights Watch.

the new episode of Al Jazeera's 'Empire' is online, this time analysing the attitude of the US towards the Arab world and their influence.
http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/empire/2011/02/20112875931593543.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDp8TnY3Is

i love how the closing remarks begin (since 23:53):

This is a very silly idea, but I'll drop it here and see where it rolls.

Proposal: Operation Slice.

How hard would it be to locate open pizza joints (halal)1 in Cairo and order batches for general delivery in Tahrir square?2 And I mean real paid-for orders, not a prank. The people ordering would creditcard-fag themselves3, the pizzeria would have to be okay with the whole idea of a creditcard order from some international English-speaking weirdos and with delivery into a tense area. It would be good to get some feedback on delivery of the first order before more orders are placed.

I know that a few pizzas wouldn't go far in that crowd, but imagine the moral boost of anonymous pizza donations.

Any experts on Egypt and on paying for shit in another county over the phone/internet have any comment?

1. Or the local takeout food of choice in Cairo.
2. Perhaps to that "new media center" in the CBS vid?
3. It is possible to purchase gift credit cards with a fixed amount of cash loaded. That would obscure the identity of the giver as well as protect against extra billing.

Czech TV reporters in Cairo. Very interesting interview with egyptians. The document ends by as reporters expelled from Egypt.
http://www.ceskatelevize.cz/ivysilani/1142743803-reporteri-ct/211452801240006/obsah/145201-pokojne-demonstrace-v-egypte-se-minuly-tyden-zacaly-promenovat-v-krvave/

DOX or GTFO

Hundreds of thousands in Tahrir Square now - the biggest crowd evar.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12398092

From their own website:

http://www.aipac.org/about_AIPAC/Learn_About_AIPAC/26.asp

http://www.answers.com/topic/american-israel-public-affairs-committee

AIPAC did 9/11
trufax

What are you, some kind of secret leaderfag? Reporter on Al Jazeera just said that some people went to spend the night under the building of the Parliament and some wanted to march and protest in front of the tv station, but for some reason they didn't make it.

Unless it's lulz you're after, I wouldn't recommend mixing up the legitimate grievances against AIPAC with 9/11conspiracy faggotry.

Let's get some love to our Egyptian brethren. I think this calls for an Anonymous vid of some kind.

I read the link on aswers.com with some interest, and my reaction is mixed.
I don't wish to derail this thread into a long discussion of aipac, but admit that
some of the criticisms are valid, even though I still think your original claim is too strongly put.

There is this site!! www.otlob.com

Seems that things are going pretty well there. Hive mind, perhaps.

Tasty idea is tasty...

There's a pop-up, not sure what it means:

On the page under that:

So, have to keep local time (duh) and curfew into account.

We need an English-speaking pizza joint who'll be willing to be deliverators, and ways of paying internationally that will work and are safe.

I'm in! Surely there must be some Anons in Cairo somewhere that could help work this out?

A Pro Democracy Twitter stated the Army has orders to clear Tahrir Square by morning.

Please contact White House & express your concerns. I submitted the message below:

President Obama, please listen to the American people! We want freedom & democracy 4 the Egyptian people! Young people all over the Middle East are demanding freedom from autocratic & greedy governments. The USA is supposed 2 stand 4 freedom & democracy yet we’re supporting dictators & their armies with our tax dollars. The 1.5 billion we send to Egypt to support torture & arrests of journalists could be used to help create jobs in USA & help takes us off our need 4 oil.
Please end the USA war machine!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

Time Video @ Tahrir Square:
http://www.time.com/time/video/player/0,32068,781916906001_2046799,00.html

Lets decide on what we want and I can find someone on the ground there to use their address for the order and they can take it there... I don't know of any Anons there but I have many friends...

Actually... just remembered I have a friend that owns a Pizza place... will ask if they are willing to accept international Credit cards and deliver to the Square !! Will find out morning their time if not sooner..

pepperoni and tripe!