Feb 2016 New Book - Swim To Get Out: A Soldier's Account Of Scientology's Sea Organization

Discussion in 'News and Current Events' started by CommunicatorIC, Dec 13, 2015.

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  2. From Smurf on ESMB.

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    Approach with caution. When this individual first came out, alot of suspicions arose. No former members or ex-Freewinds staff had ever heard of him or recognized him. He claims to have been a former "Medical Liaison Officer" in the cult with no medical schooling or experience to back it up.

    He, evidently, refused to provide evidence he was an Iraqi war veteran. He asks people to check out his website which is now down.

    "J. Marius Jeanpierre - left after 6 years - Sea Org for 3 years, Medical Liaison Officer, New York, Atlanta, Clearwater - his story"

    He claims to own a Haitian-based company, Hasonet, but he's also based in New Jersey.

    The problem with posting a personal history account via a small Christian-based publisher is that the first-person accounts are not verifiable, nor are there any records to vouch for it's authenticity. It's solely up to the reader whether they believe the author or not.

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  3. I'm going to reply here with the same reply I made to Smurf on ESMB.

    Thanks for the head's up. When I see something like this, I tend to: (a) cross-post it right away unless I know of some reason not to do so (which sometimes happens); and (b) take people's word for their Scientology history and experience unless I have seen evidence otherwise.

    For what it is worth, I knew MLOs in Scientology who had no medical training. Indeed, as I recall from her book, Jenna Miscavige served as the MLO at her children's Org at some young age (12? 13?) with no training, medical or otherwise.

    If anyone is interested in verifying J. Marius Jeanpierre's military history, the procedure is as follows:

    National Archives at St. Louis - Access to Official Military Personnel Files (OMPF) - for the General Public

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    The type of information releasable to the general public from Federal (non-archival) records is dependent upon whether or not a person is requesting information under the provisions of the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) or has access authorization from the veteran or next-of-kin.
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    How do I request copies of records?

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  4. TorontosRoot Member

    So could the person just be a nobody, or con artist, or something else? Dementia?
  5. Possibly just tapping into a market for stories in which wayward people eventually find Jesus. I'm assuming given the publisher that he eventually finds Jesus, or something.

    I don't think accuracy is all that important to this kind of book given all the "I almost died and saw heaven" stories that are later shown to be complete fabrications.
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  6. The Wrong Guy Member

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  7. Looking at the publisher's website again in more detail I have a slight suspicion that it might be a vanity press that will publish anyone who pays them. The website has a sales pitch to prospective authors much more prominently than it has links to books / authors they publish, which to me indicates that they are selling publishing services rather than books.
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  8. Ogsonofgroo Member

    Hmmm, guess it didn't do so well in 2013 as a Kindle/e-book thingy?
  9. TorontosRoot Member

    So they're retrying the same crap. pfft.
  10. Maybe before he didn't have the benefit of Tate Publishing's "Industry Expert Marketing Consultants" and "Team of Publicists".
  11. TorontosRoot Member

    Could they be a WISE front? Leada me to curiosity. Have they published any cult PR or stories in the past?
  12. Ersatz Global Moderator

    Why is there a white guy on the cover when the author is black?
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  13. "Industry Expert Marketing Consultants"? I'm sure racists are a core market segment for Christian book publishers.
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  14. Quentinanon Member

    Keep in mind that this book could be a strategic ploy by the lying scum at osa int. The idea would be to get a sufficient number of people to give this ostensible defector book initial credibility, then reveal the falsehoods they secretly helped to fabricate without revealing that they were the source of the lies. After that happens, they can always compare this book to any legitimate book by former scientologists as a way to dismiss factual content as lies.
    Remember that in scientology, the bottom of the barrel does not exist.
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  15. RightOn Member

    Actually the bottom of a scotch barrel makes DM pound his tiny fists until it is restocked.:p
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  16. Ogsonofgroo Member

    That is a most excellent point. It is my opinion years ago that most of the ex-military that end up in scilonland are either very niave, shellshocked victims of the VM's etc, whatever. What I fouhd interesting is that there is that, um, smell....
    Whenever I see any posts, ex's, OSA, or trolls of cult, saying 'there's still something in this pile of excrement that is salvageable... scavenging like a bunch of hungry crows...
    "Oooo, shiny!"
    This guy hasn't yet realised what a raging loon Mr. Hubbard was, so obviously smooths it over like a passing comment, yet holds, at least to me, a sense of softening-apologetics-thingy thing, meh, I'll wait for a copy from a free bin to prop a table up with.
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  17. Sockofleas Member

    J. Marius Jeanpierre's book cover bears a slight resemblance to this but Tim O'Brien is the genuine article.
    Not saying Jeanpierre isn't but ..
  18. Не совсем согласен,
  19. Disambiguation Global Moderator

    спасибо за ваше мнение
  20. Incredulicide Member

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