re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation That's an easy one. Look at the situation from the father's point of view. He believes in scientology and their stance on psych drugs. He acted the way any loving parent would- he did what he thought was best for his son. Obviously he didn't actually do what was best for his son, but it's really not hard to understand why he acted as he did.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Awww such a sweet and understanding sentiment of the situation. There was this good christian mother, she thought her kids were demon possessed, so she strangled the devil out of them. All of them. <hugbox>
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Dude asked why the dad would choose a "cult" over his son's well being. All I did was provide an answer to the question of why. But you read whatever you'd like into my answer. You're obviously free to do so.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation I'm sorry Herro. Of course you're right in making such a keen observation and putting it into little box for everyone to easily understand. It was wrong of me to compare your logical answer to another situation using the same logic. I admire your purist views. Forgive me, its good that the father left the loaded gun with his depressed son while suffering a rebound effect from dropping his medication. Same for the mother who strangled her brood. Its just one of those silly things that happen all the time, dude.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation It does happen all the time. Go look at the many news stories about ultra-religious families refusing medical treatment for children. Also, if you are talking about irresponsible parents leaving guns around.. that too is common place. In fact this wasn't a child, and from what I read the gun wasn't loaded, not that that fact even matters. What if it was a bottle of sleeping pills? The issue here was taking the son off his meds and poor parenting / supervision.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation [Herro]He was an adult, the father has no responsibility here[/herro] BRB, storing the rat poison in the fridge to keep it fresh!
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation I'd disagree Herro. I'd say the father acted in a purely selfish manner and placed his religious beliefs ahead of the welfare of his child and I find that very hard to understand.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation This one takes the fookin' caek: 2 Young Kids Abducted During Car Theft Found Safe - KTLA "Two young children who were left alone inside a car that was stolen...The father says he left the vehicle running with the kids inside watching movies while he ran into the dry cleaners.When he returned a few minutes later, he says the car and the children were gone." NO SHIT!! "Witnesses described the suspect as a Latino man with a shaved head wearing a white t-shirt and dark shorts. He remains at large."
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation ^ thats for pointing out the obvious on what herro said?
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Yes, but (a) there are already multiple threads on this; and (b) there inevitably will be more threads on this. This case will produce an assload of pleadings and motions and it will eventually be annoying to have to track them down by various word searches. This case poses as significant a risk to Scientology as the California cases, and in a PR sense, the stakes are even larger b/c it involves wrongful death.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Okay, how many people shoot themselves in the head with an unloaded gun?
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation I keep mine in the cupboard next to the salt.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation It's hard to understand how a father could become such a retard as to hide his sons prescription psychotropic medication and not realize that there may be ramifications. THEN it's even harder to understand why a unlocked loaded gun was left near by for Kyle to get his hands on. THEN it's insanely hard to understand how he was more worried with protecting his cult then calling paramedics. Maybe there was nothing that could have been done at that point, who cares. You see your son bleeding from his head and unconscious you call 911. I understand. He's brainwashed, retarded and puts this cult before everything. I've understood how/why he acted liek a moron. So what though. You join Co$, unless born into it, then you've made your own shit bed. Nao lay in it. Which would involve having a loaded pistol next to his depressed sons room AFTER he stole his anti-depressants. Also calling Co$faggots instead of 911. I thought I was referencing the poor parenting????
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Dispute flares again between lawyer and Scientology By ELAINE SILVESTRINI | The Tampa Tribune Published: April 14, 2010 read more here Dispute flares again between lawyer and Scientology ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dispute flares again between lawyer and Scientology Dispute flares again between lawyer and Scientology http://www.lawyerscompete.com/ MSNBC (has picked up the article by ELAINE SILVESTRINI) Dispute flares again between lawyer and Scientology http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36524145
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Actually, it does not happen "all the time" as evidenced by those very same stories. Rather, people are shocked by the instances where a parent withholds medical treatment from his or her child which is why it makes the news in the first instance.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Do we have the name of the state judge who ordered Dandar to remove himself from the case?
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Justice for Kyle's family is entirely relevant to my interests. I want to see this posted in relation to Tiny Dave.
Email leak Not sure why this was emailed to me but I'm passing it along: Re: Kyle Brennan Investigation Content of conversations: Victoria Britton and Detective Steve Bohling of the Clearwater Police Department. August 27, 2007 After Kyle passed away, family members were upset and puzzled as to why we had never received a phone call from the Clearwater Police Department. We thought for certain they would have some questions to ask us regarding Kyle. It was also questioned why Kyle’s physician “Dr. Steven McNamara” was not contacted by the Clearwater Police Department or the medical examiner of Pinellas County. The doctor’s name and phone number were printed on the prescription bottle that was found in Tom Brennan’s truck in the early morning of February 17,2007. We were soon alerted by family members and friends that they had found Kyle’s name on a web site called Operation Clambake, while searching for his obituary on the internet. The Clambake web site claimed that Kyle had died for the anti-psych beliefs of Tom Cruise. An individual anonymously sent information regarding Kyle’s death to an Andreas Heldal- Lund. Lund being the author and host of the web site. The family believed that the information had come from a leak within the Clearwater Police Department, and not a “Scientologist” as stated in the thread on the Clambake web site. This new information was very upsetting to all the people who loved and cared for Kyle. It also made family and friends start questioning what had gone so terribly wrong in Florida. Not only had we never been contacted by the “Clearwater Police Department,” but questions were raised about the behavior of Kyle’s father Tom Brennan. Tom showed no emotion, or caring over the death of his only son and child. He was very flippant and unfeeling. His lack of caring was so disturbing and unsettling to family members it was decided to not include his name in Kyle’s obituary as his surviving father. Conversations with Detective Steve Bohling: Scott M. Brennan, would be the first person to speak with the Clearwater Police Department. This is when we learned that a “Detective Steve Bohling” had been assigned to the case. Scott told family members that the detective was very rude and antagonistic towards him. He spoke with “Bohling” on only two occasions and decided it would be best for another family member to speak with the detective as he could not be certain if Bohling’s negative attitude was something personal against him. Scott, had asked “Detective Bohling” during both interviews for information and the full name of the man who notified our family of Kyle’s death. Bohling, was hesitant on this subject. His response to Scott was "he's a Scientology guy." He would not give Scott, the last name of “Jerry” or offer an explanation as to why the Clearwater Police Department, did not contact the family when Kyle died . My first attempt to call Detective Steve Bohling was on April 3rd, 2007 at 4 p.m. Two messages were left on April 4th at 9:30 a.m. and another at 1:40 p.m. I left another message on April 5th, at 9:31 a.m. I spoke with Det. Bohling for the first time on the afternoon of April 5th. I started the conversation by saying that I may not be able to emotionally handle certain aspects of the conversation but I would do my best. This is when I first heard the name “Jerry Gentile.” The family did not know the full name of the individual who notified us of Kyle’s death before this date. Detective Steve Bohling seemed to be genuinely empathetic during this fifty-six minute conversation. He mentioned that he was looking for a man named “Eddie Childress” to interview. I was told that he was the individual who was renting a room in Tom’s apartment. This interview was to clarify where Tom Brennan had stored the weapon that killed Kyle. Childress was going to be interviewed to confirm if he recalled it being stored in the room Kyle was staying in-the same room Childress was renting from Tom Brennan. On April 6th 2007, my husband Rick Britton called Detective Bohling to ask him some further questions. Rick asked if there was a suicide note found on Kyle. Bohling responded that he believed the note found in Kyle’s pocket was a suicide note. Also discussed was Kyle’s lap top computer. Det. Bohling said that he would like to have it sent to Florida so that the FBI could look at it and have it analyzed. The Clearwater Police Department makes no further effort in explaining or obtaining answers to questions regarding the circumstances of Kyle’s death. In June of 2007, Attorney Luke Charles Lirot of Clearwater, Florida is retained by Kyle’s surviving family. Content of conversation between Victoria Britton and Detective Steve Bohling on August 22, 2007: This was the second time that I spoke to Detective Bohling since the death of my son Kyle Brennan more than six months prior. I began the conversation by telling him that I was calling to ask him about the status of the case. He proceeds to tell me that it is currently inactive. I told Det. Bohling that I was having a difficult time accepting that Kyle’s father would treat him as if he were no more than a pile of dirty laundry and leaving him on the floor for over forty minutes before calling for help. Det. Bohling laughs out loud in a sardonic manner after I make this statement. He apologizes while still laughing saying that he is not laughing at the situation. He went on to say, “you people” need to get your facts straight before making statements like that. He said that Tom had made the call for help much sooner than forty minutes. I tell him that my information must be different than his. He asked me if I have a minute and he would pull the record up on the computer. After a moment he started mumbling military times in a barely audible voice and announced that a call was sent out at 12:03 a.m.(He seemed flustered).I tell him that my information was correct, as Tom told my husband Rick, that he arrived home at 11:20 on February 17th. Bohling told me that “Scentologists” have the right to call (he said a name that I did not understand) before calling for emergency help. I told Detective Bohling that Tom had obviously lied about details regarding the case and I question why he would do this. Bohling said that he may have lied because of the guilt he was feeling over the outcome and how he handled the situation. ( I had actually given some leeway on the time frame as Tom had told Rick Britton that it was between 11:15 and 11:20 when he arrived home. Tom Brennan gave a different time to his step-son Scott, saying that he arrived home between 10:30 and 11:00 p.m).This would place him in the apartment at the time of Kyle's death. I can only assume that the “you people” statement was meant to be derogatory. I had recently made a public statement about Kyle’s death through a “Dr. Dave Touretzky”of Carnegie Mellon University. Doctor Touretzky, had published my statement on a web page that he created for Kyle after his death. I was intentionally vague with information in the statement and did not tell the public to what extent, or how deeply disturbing it was to Kyle that his father was affiliated with “The Church of Scientology.” Kyle would have wanted me to do this for him as he openly expressed disdain for Scientology’s beliefs and teachings. Detective Bohlings reference of “you people” was in all probability a dig at the anti-Scientology movement. I personally have never been involved with an anti-Scientology organization. Detective Bohling asked me if I thought that my ex-husband had killed my son. He would ask me this question twice in the thirty-seven minute conversation. I asked Bohling for the first time about the suicide note found on Kyle. He said that it was really not a suicide note but merely a list of grievances. Bohling, told me that Kyle’s notes read like someone who was about to kill himself. I asked him if Kyle wrote about committing suicide in these notes. He responded with a no. (Detective Bohling has given each family member a different answer regarding the suicide note) I tell Detective Bohling about a recorded message that was discovered on Kyle’s cell phone. The message is to Kyle from his father. Tom Brennan is telling his son to take his vitamins as they hold the key in helping him feel better. The message is spoken in a sarcastic manner which would have been upsetting to Kyle. Detective Bohlings response is that giving vitamins along with a healthy diet (?) Is not against the law. I also asked about a timeline regarding Tom buying ammunition for the weapon. Bohling, tells me that it is not against the law to buy ammunition for a gun in the State of Florida. He continued...if Tom went out and bought the ammunition on the day Kyle died there is nothing wrong with him doing that. Bohling, states that as far as he is concerned, Tom could have gone out on the day Kyle died, bought the ammunition, thrown it on the bed with the gun and then tell Kyle that he can go and play with it and that would be fine. ( His exact words ) I was shocked at the crassness of this statement. I am still left wondering what would possess an individual to make such an insensitive remark to a mother who had lost a child in such a violent manner. It is after this statement is made, that I decide that my questions regarding the death of my son will never be answered by the Clearwater Police Department. It had become very clear that Detective Steve Bohling’s behavior is lacking in the most basic of professional standards and human decency. I did not understand what Detective Bohling found amusing about my reference of Tom Brennan’s treatment of his dead son until after my conversation with medical investigator Marti Scholl in December 2007.It was Ms. Scholl who would tell me that my sons head was found in a laundry basket. I then understood what Detective Steve Bohling found amusing about my comment regarding Brennan's treatment of Kyle after he died.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation These 2 posts are new and contain information that needs to be read widely now. Maybe a new thread? One is a media article on what CoS and theGentile's are trying to do to stop Dander from reping Kyle Brennan's mother in her lawsuit agaiunst them. This is important because it describes what is going on with that case and also about the reopened Lisa McPherson wrongful death case ( which is apparently at the Supreme Ct level - who would have known, heh? ); the other is apparently leak of of some kind of report about Det Bohling of the Clearwater Police Dept on the Kyle Brennan case, which was not part of the previous leaks on this matter according to what was posted & I downloaded. Anyone know anything about these things? Should a new thread be started?
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation "Tom showed no emotion, or caring over the death of his only son and child. He was very flippant and unfeeling. His lack of caring was so disturbing and unsettling to family members it was decided to not include his name in Kyle’s obituary as his surviving father."
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Very sad, indeed. I bet Gerry and Denise Gentile are crying over being in forclosure on some of their properties so they can pay their dirty lawyer fees. GENTILE,GERALD T GENTILE,DENISE Name File Date Address City ATF SPN/Case # GENTILE GERALD 02/03/2010 10001881CI GENTILE,DENISE GENTILE GERALD 02/03/2010 10001898CI GENTILE,DENISE GENTILE GERALD 03/26/2010 403 PENNSYLVANIA AVE GENTILE,DENISE CLEARWATER 10005090CI GENTILE GERALD T 02/03/2010 1305 BROWING STREET GENTILE,DENISE CLEARWATER 10001881CI GENTILE GERALD Link Party Name To/Fr Other Party Inst Description File Date Book Page Instr # GENTILE GERALD HSBC BANK USA NA TR LP LT 95 REPLAT OF ARDMORE PL 2/9/2010 16826 2249 2010036742 GENTILE GERALD HSBC BANK USA NA TR LP LT 94 REPLAT OF ARDMORE PL 2/9/2010 16826 2257 2010036746 GENTILE GERALD MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC A LT 94 REPLAT OF ARDMORE PL OR 14522/2538 3/25/2010 16866 2551 2010080541 GENTILE GERALD MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC A LT 95 REPLAT ARDMORE PL OR 14458/21 3/25/2010 16866 2552 2010080542 GENTILE GERALD U S BANK NA TR LP LT 5 BLK F CLEARWATER IMPROVEMENT CO PLAZA PARK ADDITION 3/30/2010 16870 222 2010084454 GENTILE GERALD T HSBC BANK USA NA TR LP LT 95 REPLAT OF ARDMORE PL 2/9/2010 16826 2249 2010036742 GENTILE GERALD T HSBC BANK USA NA TR LP LT 94 REPLAT OF ARDMORE PL 2/9/2010 16826 2257 2010036746 GENTILE GERALD T MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC A LT 94 REPLAT OF ARDMORE PL OR 14522/2538 3/25/2010 16866 2551 2010080541 GENTILE GERALD T MORTGAGE ELECTRONIC REGISTRATION SYSTEMS INC A LT 95 REPLAT ARDMORE PL OR 14458/21 3/25/2010 16866 2552 2010080542
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation The bottom line is that a state judge has ordered Ken Dandar to withdraw and so he must. Accordingly he filed a motion to withdraw in Kyle's case. It is now up to the federal judge to decide. I for one hope that Ken is allowed back on the case as per the wishes of Kyle's mother. There is no way to fully get justice for the death of a child but those that might have a responsibility in his premature death must be held accountable if only to help prevent such a thing from occuring again. Denise and her husband may be fighting this but my guess is that the truly guilty party is organized scientology (CofS FSO perhaps) whose policies lead to Kyle being taken off his medication. As we all know they will lie to any degree necessary to not be held accountable for this or anything else that they may do that is wrong. It will be interesting to see if any records can be found from FSO ethics offices, CS office or elsewhere telling Denise and company what to do. Or, as in the Lisa M. case, will records be destroyed? Time will tell.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation The CWPD has nothing to do with this. This is the crooked Judge Robert Beach, who got the case after the cult drove off Schaeffer, then just sat on it and did nothing until the plaintiffs were forced to settle. The judge has deliberately interpreted the settlement agreement to make it illegal. A lawyer cannot make an agreement not to represent certain clients. I find it hard to chalk this up to mere incompetence.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation I think xenubarb's post refered to the notes of an alleged conversation with Detective Bohling contained in post #58: http://forums.whyweprotest.net/123-...s-kyle-brennan-complaint-48106/3/#post1222712
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Quite so. Patrol officers may be fair in their dealings with protesters. We find that to be the general case here in San Diego. They are aware of our right to free speech, and equally aware of Scientology's attitude that only they should have that right. However, there were some absolutely awful CWPD officers working during the time of the LMT. Some of them were moonlighting for Scientology, and doubtless got new trucks and bass boats with the extra income. Scientology became such a pest, the cops got irritated at the protesters for "causing" the nonstop idiocy from the cult. This Detective Bohling sounds like a real piece of cult-influenced trash. Sure, it's legal to give people vitamins. But is it legal to withhold prescription medication from a vulnerable young man and then leave him in proximity to a deadly weapon? Apparently Bohling thinks so. I'd be filing a complaint against this smug fuck, STAT. It will go into his permanent record.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation When they talk about Fowler in the shooting case on the news report, they also said he was emotionless
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Well, I agree that organized scientology is the essential poison here - it was with those matters concerning Reed Slatkin, Mario Majorski, Rex Fowler and others as well, but as long as people choose to remain loyal to it and to defend it and don't do the right thing in being truthful, they are equally guilty. I do hope Dander gets approval from the fed court to be allowed back on the case. Mrs. Britton deserves her day in court. Thanks for ecxplaining things, Larry.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Ok, this helps explain more of the situation. Thanks.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation I find it easy to understand but impossible to accept. Anyone who puts their dogma ahead of their child's well being, especially to the point of risking their life, isn't worthy of being a parent IMO.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Let's hope the Federal court sees sense and denies the motion to withdraw.
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation The federal judge hearing Kyle Brennan's case took one look at the corrupt Florida state court judge Robert Beach's attempt to get Ken Dandar kicked off the case, and smacked it the fuck down without much ado. Here's the order, courtesy RECAP: http://www.archive.org/download/gov.uscourts.flmd.223606/gov.uscourts.flmd.223606.77.0.pdf
re: Fed Judge ENJOINS FL judge in Kyle Brennan Litigation Translation of all that Federal legaleese: Sit on it and rotate [STRIKE]bitch[/STRIKE] Beach. Dandar ain't goin' nowhere. BigBeard
