Finding disconnection stories

BIG ROUNDUP AFTER CHECKING

ALL POSTS THUS FAR

1. To be added

For Shane Clark please add this

Anat Krier

2. To be researched as they are well known. (I know there are more for whom we don't have a link (yet).)

3. Sources to go hunt for more

4. Would be nice to have this on

^

I think it would be good to focus on consolidating what we have right now.

Incred, the names at 1 are for you Maybe you can also do something with 4? Would be nice to have.

RO, I hope you can go find out about the names below 2 I'll help

The links below 3 are for later searches.

I also think that when the lists W-Z I have done today are added it will be a good moment to try and have some announcement. Thoughts?

More than willing to help, but I don't want to do double work.
If you want that chunk to be my project cool. But I don't want to start doing all this work if many others are trying to research the same thing.
Will take # 2.
I will leave #3 and 4 for someone else.

WHOA! 248 entries now. Very nice!

I'll give the announcement a go.

I think it's important to keep it to one link per name to prevent the page becoming a dog's breakfast, so we should choose the best link for each name (or if there's a dire need for multiple links we can use a bridgeurl.com link to combine them)

It's quite possible given the date that both these people are dead so we probably won't find the outcome of this. Having said that, I'm happy to add Randolph Frank's name (as the person being disconnected) with this link if you are.

This brings up the question of disconnection stories involving people now deceased. They obviously can no longer tell their stories, but can their relatives tell their stories for them?

I trust your judgment in choosing the best link. (Or more honest I don't want to be busy with such details, LOL! )

#249. Yes, please add Frank's name. It helps to get the total over 250.

I tend to say yes. I also added Mike Rinder's story about Kirk Radandt.

I will start on 3 later this week, or maybe next weekend.

Wouldn't want this to become a daytime job. I already have one that pays my bills, which I think is more important.

Jesse Prince Affidavit
good enough?

15. In late 1991, my wife Monika became pregnant and although we were elated, she was ordered to abort the child. The reason for the abortion order is that Sea Org members were not allowed to have children. The order devastated both my wife and me. Our dedication as Sea Org members clashed violently with our intentions as parents and we went through a personal nightmare with me opposing it, to no avail. She got the abortion and afterwards she was not the same. She was devastated at the impact of what she did and that was when she told me she wanted to leave. We fled, with the organization close behind us, trying to find us. They finally did and convinced us to return so we could "leave properly."
16. Once they had us again behind the barbwire and watched by security, my wife was threatened that if we did not sign certain papers, she would no longer be able to see her father and her sister, who were both in the Sea Organization.
17. This is another coercive power that the organization wields. Like a police state, it can order and enforce family members to alter their relations, and even get them to turn against each other. Monika and I knew that if the organization said she would be kept from her father and sister (by control over them), that she would not again be able to talk to them or see them, let alone visit. This is called "disconnection" in Scientology. We agreed to sign the papers and were able to leave.

http://www.lisamcpherson.org/prince.htm

^

#250 Yup! Thanks!

Marty Rathbun- good enough?
For you personally what was the hardest part about leaving?

Well, the hardest part was leaving my wife. I spent the last 10 months attempting to sort of reconcile the fact that I had to go because of the extremity of abuse that was going on. She was a second-generation Scientologist and she chose to stay.
http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/tv/interviews/a34259/scientology-marty-rathbun-interview/

#251 I say yes, because he says the his divorce was a consequence of his choice to leave COS.

ETA: I thought I now get to assign the numbers, so edited my posts.

As far as the Schlessinger vid, nothing there, but since Karen interviewed her, maybe ask her to ask Jillian herself?

I also read a post from 2 years ago in a comment that said that SP declares have disconnections clauses now?
May find something on someone's declare?
Remember Anon Sparrows vid and his SP declare that he was handed and the person delivering it to him in front of the DC org said he wasn't allowed to talk to anyone any more.
If this is the case about the SP declares, then anyone who was handed one in the last two years would be a victim of disconnection per the cults clause on the declare?

"Scientologists who are declared suppressive can get back in good standing by accomplishing the “A to E steps” of a program of contrition and reindoctrination. Until that time, the suppressive may only communicate with the International Justice Chief, who determines if the A to E steps are being properly fulfilled."
mans DISCONNECTION FROM ALL

derp

It wasn't Kevin's video, it was Tommy Gorman videoing Kevin's brother and talking about Kevin to him.

There is this on page 3 though, about Jennifer Stewart:

"After nine months of staying at Williams' apartment, Stewart finally told Gorman what had happened: According to court documents, she alleges Williams forcibly raped her more than 100 times, threatening to kill her if she told anyone. Stewart says she was terrified that if she reported him, she would be declared an SP and her family would disconnect.
Gorman says he called Quiros the next day, who told him not to go to the cops."

derp

Sylvia is already listed with that link.

Nothing in rhat Mark Tordia vid above

Yes that's there too. Please check http://whyweprotest.wikia.com/wiki/...onnection_Policy_by_Former_Members_and_Others before asking.

So far now we have a no for her.

I'm afraid I don't exactly understand the consequences here because I fail at English? For now I'm sticking to finding stories about actual people. I am however willing to change POV, so I'm asking for other opinions.

#252 Jennifer Stewart was terrified that if she reported him, she would be declared an SP and her family would disconnect http://www.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/scientologys-antagonists/Content?oid=2168857

Hey Incred, question. Would it be easier for you if I posted new entries like this?

#252 Jennifer Stewart - http://www.sfweekly.com/sanfrancisco/scientologys-antagonists/Content?oid=2168857 was terrified that if she reported him, she would be declared an SP and her family would disconnect

I think this more resembles the code you have to write to get a good wiki entry?

I agree, we need to stick to specific accounts of disconnection instead of the implied kind from SP declares as that would just open up the floodgates to every declared SP being added by default which is not what the list is about.

Michael Leonard Tilse
"Ihave also been subject to disconnection. I received some handwritten notes, penciled on lined paper, from two different friends. Many erasures and rewritten wording. I wonder if the process of disconnection occurs in the ethics office or MAA’s office where they write these? Do other SPs have the same type of penciled disconnection notes from dear friends?

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/

I wasn't gonna say anything as I'm used to manipulating strings between formats manually, but YES!

#253 Michael Leonard Tilse - http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-disconnection-where-are-the-declare-orders/ two friend disconnected

Do you have Natascha Kobitzsch?
Boyfriend disconnected

YES SIR!

#254 Natascha Kobitzsch - Boyfriend disconnected

No I meant anyone that has received and SP declare is more or less told that the ONLY person they can talk to within the COS is the IJC
So that is disconnecting them off from everyone in the COS that they were friends with or worked with

WTF? How do I keep a YT link from expanding?

done for today, wrist is aching.

This week (or maybe last one) Tory had a new vid out where she once again showed her declare, and that one also said her only contact in the church is the IJC. So that is nothing new. By the way Tory called and asked for him, but it looks like there is no IJC at all.

yes I know. My point is, if COS says that is the ONLY person you can communicate within the COS(whether he exists or not) then that they are telling you that you are cut off from others = disconnection. So in fact, anyone who is declared is a victim of disconnection by church standards.
Anyone who received one is cut off from friends they made in the COS and staff members in the COS. You are cut off from ever talking to your auditor again for instance. = disconnection

Same here. I guess it's them mean body thetans saying I must go do something else than destroying a cult.

Like this:

Code:

[url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TNRyFm9lS4]Random Youtube Video[/url]

#255 Jim Jackson - http://www.tampabay.com/news/scient...ntants-novel-strategy-get-insiders-to/2245311 More than 150 of the 200 clients he had at the beginning of 2014 fired / aka disconnected from him

I sure as hell thought I was going to get rickrolled.

I now see I forgot this one in the big roundup post above.

Please someone try and find if there is any story there.

I for one will today mostly be sitting on my couch and being lazy.

The big list page has a link that says

Skip down to additions and updates submission form and links

/r/ similar for the new page.

Do people forget that it's already linked in the menu or something?

You're right. NM.

Margery Wakefiled @7:40
Disconnect from family. Brothers, sisters, parents and freinds

#256 Margery Wakefield - Disconnected from brothers, sisters, parents and friends

Like Achmed the dead terrorist: I can do this crap too!

Hana Eltringham Whitfield - disconnected from friends

When I walked out of the Fort Harrison Hotel, in Clearwater in March 1982, I had no one to go to. I had no family in the United States, having been born and raised overseas, and not one Scientology friend as I was a declared Suppressive. I had no money. I did not drive. And I did not dare go to the authorities, as I believed they were the enemy. Many people who leave Scientology end up in this kind of no man’s land — without family or friends, cut off from all avenues of help.

http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library-item.php?iid=6142

Another example of what I mean about being declared an SP.
Anyone who is declared will lose their COS friends. (and staff who helped them)
People whop are declared can not talk to staff any more, their auditor and anyone else in the org they belonged to. You have to remember that people in the COS get very close to their auditors! Their twins and many more!
I wonder if there should be a mention in the intro for the Disconnection List?
Any former members of the COS who were declared a suppressive person is a victim of disconnection in some form.

Because it is true. They can never talk to those people again.

#257 Hana Eltringham Whitfield - http://www.xenu-directory.net/news/library-item.php?iid=6142 disconnected from friends

Done.

I don't see it? I don't see anything about SP declares
It's not going to say this?
Any former members of the COS who were declared a suppressive person and received an SP declare (or not) is a victim of Scientology's disconnection policy in some form.

edited

Maybe hit ctrl-F5 to have the browser reload the page?

I have to say I wonder a little why this looks so important to you.

Personally I don't care about SP declares. This may sound strange, but these things are - AFAIAC - only pieces of paper. It's the effect that they have on people's lives that are horrible and devastating. So I would like this list to be about real people and their stories of how they suffer(ed) under it.

Say, I join the COS with my wife. We don't see fellow COS people as friends, at most as people of the same faith. With all other family and friends we have relations on a fair roads good weather basis. Then, for some reason we get declared and get the goldenrod. We decide to get out together. Would we be a victim of the policy? I think not.

This is only a short theoretical exercise to show that - IMHO - SP declares and what they say should not have the focus. A lot of them say made up things anyway, and ever since people started posting them on the net the church no longer actually gives them. At most you get to see them shortly.

Maybe you can explain? I really have a hard time understanding.

No that's quite clunky wording to me. It says this instead:
While as of the last count, there are 257 names on this list, you may want to see the big list of all Former CoS members who have spoken out, because disconnection is generally an ever-present menace for everyone involved as the consequence of being declared a Suppressive Person by the CoS.

oh I didn't see this at all.

I still have an MU about the following line:

I think the bold part still may give the impression that we allow for people to tell about seeing other people disconnecting from each other. May I propose the following:

Using other words to the same effect is fine with me.

really?
It's important because the general public should know if you are declared and SP in the COS, then you are a victim of disconnection.
I don't think you understand.
Anyone who belonged to their local org became friendly with everyone in it. Including their auditors, other staff that worked there ect..
They went to functions with these people, if their kids were friends with other member's kids and they hung out together that is ended.
This also includes businesses that these members went to owned by other Scientologists, and other celebrations they attended with these people.
That ALL goes away. Their FB friends go away too.

Regardless if the SP declares are useless pieces of paper or not, for those still "in" it still carries a lot of weight, which is why they have to disconnect or be labeled PTS and then they will also be declared if they continue the relationship with that SP.
Even if the COS no longer hands the goldenrods out, just being "declared" is enough for people to disconnect from you.

Everyone in Leah's family lost friends and relatives to disconnection. Her daughter Sophia lost friends and cousins. Leah lost FB friends over night.
Just like everyone else who has been declared. They ALL suffered some form of disconnection whether they told their story in public or not, and the general public should know this.

It's also another kick in the pants to the COS. They can NOT dispute that these people can go back into their local orgs and talk to people either.
Look at the case with the Garcias!

^
Thanks for clarifying.

Every now and then the language difference and the fact that I am so focused on technical aspects like finding names etc makes that I fail to see the bigger picture. I then somehow don't get a grip of the vast influence it has.

I hope I am making sense now.

to answer your second question...
yes you two would still be victims if you left.
ANYONE who is declared = VICTIM

I went with: or were otherwise direct participants

• Kathleen Carey - lost the business of Scientologists who disconnected

#258 Kathleen Carey - https://web.archive.org/web/2007112...-ology.pair.com/veritas/mitchell/careydam.htm lost the business of Scientologists who disconnected

• David Cecere - refused to disconnect from his mother, wife and children

@6m20s into the video, "to risk his relationship … after spending two days with him that 'wow, I think I've made a mistake. This is not what I signed up for.'" (yes he talks about himself in the third person until he quotes his thoughts)

#259 David Cecere - http://www.archive.org/details/JeffJacobsenDavidCeceredirectorofLisaMcPhersonTrustClearwater1999 refused to disconnect from his mother, wife and children

Does being fired by your Scientologist employer for refusing to do Scientology courses count as disconnection?

I formally withdraw this question as the accounts themselves in the previous pages of this thread already answered it in the affirmative in terms of the context of adding names affected by the policy whether it be defying it knowing the consequences, acting to follow it irrespective of orders to do so, or not acting the way one otherwise would in fear of it. Carry on!

• Anke Dievenkorn - disconnected from declared boyfriend

it is another form case of disconnection of course. People you worked with you will no longer see, or your boss for the matter.
But maybe just mention that in the intro too?

She's covered by the intro text "non-members affected", and it's now evident to me that this is not "another form", it's exact "handle or disconnect" policy that led directly to her being fired:

• Heather Kimbrough - fired by Scientologist employer for refusing to take Scientology courses

I should have said another case of disconnection perhaps. Instead of form

• Robert M. Hart - brother disconnected and got him fired

Workplace religious harassment, but not really disconnection.

but they will no longer see and talk to the people they worked with or their boss?
Isn't that another CASE of disconnection?
Like I said perhaps mention in the intro?

• Margie Kuentz-Hoffman - disconnected from her boyfriend

Sigh.

• Gale Lyons - disconnected from her husband

well then don't ask!
You asked in TT if being fired was considered disconnection. Did you not?
And I replied (obviously not to your liking) and then you started posting entries for those particular cases anyways.
So..... if it this list is a list where you don't want others opinions about an entry, then just go ahead and do what you want.
Like I said, you and Trev can do this list and ask each other.
I helped out a bit, but this is the third time I have been more or less called out. So I will leave it up to you guys.

Unless there was some relation with those people other than working at the same place, I don't see it as disconnection.

That happened before I saw the second case which helped make my mind up, sorry that I voiced that reaction towards you when I should've been clear about how exactly I came to that, other than posting the cases. At the end of the day we're in agreement on it, which is a good thing.

Most entries are pretty self evident so I probably should just shut up and post them

Suggestions on how to make the intro text shorter will be gladly considered

The driving force behind the firing is the disconnection policy in action. Let's not split hairs on the depth of non-work versus work relationships being the deciding factor. They're relationships being severed by a policy.

I'm in the process of searching new names using a file Incred and I made and only now read up on this.

For now I just want to say that this new project does not in any way make me less committed to the big list.

In other words: I am not going anywhere.

Carry on!

• Amber Bettenkeel - uncle and cousin disconnected

• Sue Deutscher - refused to disconnect from Mike Goldstein, daughter disconnected from her

• Paul Simmel - younger sister disconnected

• Bernie Headley - daughter Stephanie disconnected

#260 Anke Dievenkorn - http://web.archive.org/web/20070717003122/http://www.scientology-kills.org/survivors_dievenkorn.htm disconnected from declared boyfriend

#261 Heather Kimbrough - http://tonyortega.org/2015/04/18/sc...uit-over-refunds-but-with-a-twist/#post-21929 fired by Scientologist employer for refusing to take Scientology courses

#262 Robert M. Hart - http://web.archive.org/web/20070103114143/http://www.xenu.org/factnet/SCN/FILES/LEGAL/MANYAFFS.TXT brother disconnected and got him fired

#263 Margie Kuentz-Hoffman - http://www.b-org.demon.nl/avatar/misc/Harry-Palmer-and-Scientology-Newspaper-Series.pdf disconnected from her boyfriend

#264 Gale Lyons - http://www.b-org.demon.nl/avatar/misc/Harry-Palmer-and-Scientology-Newspaper-Series.pdf#page=6 disconnected from her husband

#265 Amber Bettenkeel - https://web.archive.org/web/2011122...entologydisconnection.com/disconnections.html uncle and cousin disconnected

#266 Sue Deutscher - https://web.archive.org/web/2011122...entologydisconnection.com/disconnections.html refused to disconnect from Mike Goldstein, daughter disconnected from her

#267 Paul Simmel - https://web.archive.org/web/2011110...connection.com/disconnections-paulsimmel.html younger sister disconnected

#268 Bernie Headley - https://web.archive.org/web/20110910155354im_/http://www.scientologydisconnection.com/letters.html daughter Stephanie disconnected

^ already given by Incred

v new from waybackmachine

#269 Chris Collbran https://web.archive.org/web/2013052...arly-to-leave-scientology.html#next_container parents, siblings and friends who are Scientologists would have to disconnect completely from him if he left

#270 Diego Davila https://web.archive.org/web/2013063...na-davila-defy-disconnection/#attachment_8581 father, stepmother, brother, sister, father in law, mother in law, both brothers in law and some friends all disconnected.

#271 Joann Davis https://web.archive.org/web/20150701002212im_/http://www.holysmoke.org/cos/core-is-criminal.htm Lost her sister

#272 Mark Elliott https://web.archive.org/web/20160505215632/http://imgh.us/Mark_and_Bonny_Elliot.svg Disconnected from his daughter Amy Scobee

#273 Lucy Garritano https://web.archive.org/web/2011120...an-buddha.com/cia.clearwaterprelimreport4.htm subjected to disconnection

#274 Peter Graves https://web.archive.org/web/2011120...an-buddha.com/cia.clearwaterprelimreport4.htm Subjected to disconnection

#275 Steve Hall https://web.archive.org/web/2010103...l-videos/steve-hall-biography.html#roktwittie Lost his wife of 16 years and many friends of 20 years

#276 Brett Haugen https://web.archive.org/web/2013032...rundown.net/david-singer-enterprises#post-106 received a disconnection letter from his oldest daughter and his ex-wife

#277 Janette Haugen https://web.archive.org/web/2013032...rundown.net/david-singer-enterprises#post-106 shunned by an entire community

#278 Adam Holland https://web.archive.org/web/2016042...to_become_scientology_headquarters.print.html His father disconnected

#279 Thomas Jefferson https://web.archive.org/web/2011120...an-buddha.com/cia.clearwaterprelimreport4.htm Marriage was intentionally destroyed

#280 Maurice William Johnson https://web.archive.org/web/2013062.../reference/scientology/britain/britain11.html received letters from scientologists that they disconnected

#281 Cecilia Marie Kruchko https://web.archive.org/web/2015031...es-on-scientologys-office-of-special-affairs/ Daughter and son disconnected

#282 Nina Lauffer-Davila https://web.archive.org/web/2013063...na-davila-defy-disconnection/#attachment_8581 family disconnected

#283 Raul Lopez https://web.archive.org/web/20100824140500im_/http://www.raullopez.org/lopez.htm COS set up a plan to disconnect him from the advice, protection and support of those persons who would naturally be concerned with his welfare

#284 Deirdre Maloy https://web.archive.org/web/20110821051447im_/http://www.scnforum.org/index.php?t=msg&th=320 was pressured for weeks into ending relationship

#285 Scott Mayer https://web.archive.org/web/2014081...ry.com/cia.testimonyrondewolfclearwater15.htm divorced his wife because of Scientology

#286 David Ray https://web.archive.org/web/2014081...ary.com/cia.testimonyrondewolfclearwater7.htm Barely had contact with his mother after he left

#287 Janet Troy https://web.archive.org/web/2011120...an-buddha.com/cia.clearwaterprelimreport4.htm subjected to disconnection

#288 Kira Brett http://web.archive.org/web/20101021...-warm-welcome-to-artist-kira-brett/#post-3311 Did not want to lose her sister because of fear of disconnection so she kept quiet

#289 John Duignan - http://web.archive.org/web/20120209...paper/weekend/2011/0319/1224292581794_pf.html Was encouraged to disconnect from anyone critical of the religion

Please someone watch or listen the following video or audio if there is a story

Damon Alverson
https://web.archive.org/web/2011070...oogle.com/videoplay?docid=2354453086187513116

Samantha Domingo
https://web.archive.org/web/20150825080444/http://www72.uptobox.com/stream/c5f29q49bd/360/0

Eric Dumas De Laroque
https://web.archive.org/web/2012032...ogle.com/videoplay?docid=-5694888509800082473

Synthia Fagen
https://web.archive.org/web/2016030...Episode95-FormerScientologistSynthiaFagen.mp3

Elli Fordyce No story here
https://web.archive.org/web/2015041...1563e982fa0ea53f827b86fe36386db4331fdad1cea59

Vicki Marshall
https://web.archive.org/web/2015110...emwozmmzraig6n5uiefdravyvzrl/Troublemaker.mp4

Marcus Lee Sawyer
https://web.archive.org/web/2015051...4vlaoxtvh7v7q7apwr4nulpdhmk6/MarcusSawyer.oga

Andrea and Ford Schwartz
https://web.archive.org/web/2013081....com/reference/scientology/videos/video3.html

Alice Wu
https://web.archive.org/web/2015030...o/201302/LATs_ScientologyTaiwan_2502_512k.mp4

Karla Zamudio
https://web.archive.org/web/2016043...16/13097403_1287515967930794_1714652863_n.mp4

Pierre Junqua
http://web.archive.org/web/20120616094040/http://www.anti-scientologie.ch/video-1992.htm
(first link)

This one I got to work.

#290 Marion Barton - Children disconnected, has never seen her grandchildren
#291 Noel Barton - Children disconnected, has never seen his grandchildren
https://web.archive.org/web/2016051...towflpvv5cr/Bryan_Seymour_-_Family_Values.mp4

The question was:

If someone was fired because because the employer was ordered to disconnect for reasons outside the job, that that would be disconnection.

I made a mistake. Please remove Estelle Baines. Though what she said on the link is very emotional, there is no actual disconnection story for herself there. I haven't found evidence elsewhere.

I won't renumber previous post(s) but just use 291 another time.

Phew! For a moment there I thought you were on a GNU/Linux that refused to play H.264 videos on principle due to the codec being patent encumbered

#291 William Drummond / Bill Drummond lost his family (from about 24:00)

Karla Zamudio
mentioned friends disconnected form her
http://tonyortega.org/2016/06/13/ka...-and-claire-headley-in-the-short-film-escape/

#292 Karla Zamudio http://tonyortega.org/2016/06/13/ka...-and-claire-headley-in-the-short-film-escape/ friends disconnected form her

• Dean Tylevich - daughter Regina disconnected

From https://whyweprotest.net/threads/scientology-under-investigation-in-kazakhstan.131885/

#293 Dean Tylevich - https://whyweprotest.net/threads/scientology-under-investigation-in-kazakhstan.131885/ daughter Regina disconnected

Sorry that I haven't been around much, real life taking over here.

http://tonyortega.org/2016/06/20/sc...soner-says-her-media-grabbing-mom/#post-32157

I guess that also means the father Danil can be added as "daughter Regina disconnected"

Yup.

#294 Danil Tylevich - daughter Regina disconnected

Thanks for catching this.

Somehow we'll get to 300.

Beside Taylor Tweed already on this list, I noticed two other names listed as driven to suicide by disconnection:

• James Dries - shot himself to death–disconnection situation with one parent in, one out.
  witnessed by Tory Christman
• Brand Pince - Ontario Canada, husband of Penny Pince (who died of cancer), a former mission ED, who killed himself by asphyxiation in his car, c.1979, overburdened by a huge S.O. (LA) and Mission freeloader debt to the Church, by medical bills, and by disconnection.
  His wife was Bob Mills' cousin.

• Bonnie Kittelson - friends disconnected
  http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-shitstorm/#comment-39177

#295 James Dries - shot himself to death–disconnection situation with one parent in, one out.

#296 Brand Pince - http://factnet.org/scientology-suicide-bob-mills Ontario Canada, husband of Penny Pince (who died of cancer), a former mission ED, who killed himself by asphyxiation in his car, c.1979, overburdened by a huge S.O. (LA) and Mission freeloader debt to the Church, by medical bills, and by disconnection. His wife was Bob Mills' cousin.

#297 Bonnie Kittelson - http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-shitstorm/#comment-39177 friends disconnected

This is just too easy.

Heh

http://tonyortega.org/2016/06/27/leah-remini-is-shooting-a-tv-series-about-scientology/

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/06/leah-remini-is-filming-show-on-scientology.html?mid=fb-share-thecut

• Raffy Ganimian - cousins disconnected because he worked for Leah Remini

#298 Raffy Ganimian - https://whyweprotest.net/threads/ac...ted-because-he-worked-for-leah-remini.131944/ cousins disconnected because he worked for Leah Remini

• Bruce Hines - wife, one son, and two nieces disconnected
• Moira Hutchison - disconnected from her father

#299 Bruce Hines - wife, one son, and two nieces disconnected



#300 Moira Hutchison - http://www.spaink.net/cos/mpoulter/sods/moirah.html disconnected from her father

Thanks Incred!

#301 Marie Guerin - http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-non-disconnection-policy/#comment-142573 Friend disconnected

#302 - Thomas Weeks - http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-non-disconnection-policy/#comment-142561 Friend disconnected

This includes a screenshot from the actual disconnect. Plox to back it up.

Done.

Al Bornstein is on the list, please add her current name Kate Bornstein (like on the big list).

Do you guys already have this story on Hull's father?
Shereen Filisky Hull
https://whyweprotest.net/threads/he...father-is-in-the-hospital-with-cancer.132109/

#303 Shereen Filisky Hull - https://whyweprotest.net/threads/he...father-is-in-the-hospital-with-cancer.132109/ Father disconnected

Wait no. Shereen is still in. She disconnected herself from her father. We don't add active scilons who disconnect.

ETA: (bumps head against wall): we can add her father, as he is the one being disconnected from.

#303 John Filisky - https://whyweprotest.net/threads/he...father-is-in-the-hospital-with-cancer.132109/ Daughter Shereen disconnected

I did say FATHER
No to the Big List, if he isn't speaking out himself.
For disconnection list yes
Maybe someone can get a statement out of him before he dies for the Big List?
I just read he was in a coma.

Someone reported they got an error when going to the Underground Bunker using a link on the wiki.

http://tonyortega.org/2016/08/24/ke...arts-it-over-from-scratch/#comment-2857254474

I myself have the same problem.

ETA: The problem doesn't look to be on Tony's end. When I use a link to go to an incognito window then it works fine. Looks like the last part of the parameter #post-4201 is the problem? Or missing www?

http://tonyortega.org/2013/02/26/sc...ers-this-one-will-break-your-heart/#post-4201

The Bunker has a glitch that if there's an apostrophe in the URL of the referring page, it'll give a 403 Forbidden response.

From there, click on URL at the top of the browser to highlight all of it, CTRL-C, CTRL-V, Enter. (That re-fetches with a cleared referrer string.)

Ah, so it's literally the apostrophe in the wiki article title - Accounts of Scientology's Disconnection Policy - combined with the fact browsers include the URL of the referring page in the HTTP header being sent to Tony's site.

I'll try some workarounds that don't require changing the title of the article for the sake of someone else's site being the cause of the problem.

EDIT: I should mention at first I was unable to reproduce this due to a privacy setting I had in Firefox by going to
about:config?filter=network.http.referer.trimmingPolicy
I had double clicked the line with that preference and changed the value to 2
That option, instead of sending the full URL of a page, only sends the scheme+domain+port, i.e. http://whyweprotest.wikia.com in the referer HTTP header to Tony's site.

Okay, workaround attempts #1 and #2 have both been stifled by the wikia platform itself failing to parse data: URIs into clickable links. This was an effort to still send the traffic to Tony's site minus the referrer HTTP header, and works from a normal HTML page, but I'm dealing with wiki markup here which thwarts that code.
Here's the original (non-working) code in Camilla Andersson's entry I chose to test on:

Code:

*Camilla Andersson - [http://tonyortega.org/2014/07/16/camilla-andersson-goes-public-after-29-years-in-scientologys-inner-elite/ husband disconnected]

Workaround attempt #1 (failed), meta refresh inside a data URI, wiki markup:

Code:

*Camilla Andersson - [data:text/html;charset=utf-8;base64,PG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj0icmVmcmVzaCIgY29udGVudD0iMDsgdXJsPWh0dHA6Ly90b255b3J0ZWdhLm9yZy8yMDE0LzA3LzE2L2NhbWlsbGEtYW5kZXJzc29uLWdvZXMtcHVibGljLWFmdGVyLTI5LXllYXJzLWluLXNjaWVudG9sb2d5cy1pbm5lci1lbGl0ZS8iPg%3D%3D husband disconnected]

Workaround attempt #2 (failed), same meta refresh inside a data URI, HTML markup:

HTML:

*Camilla Andersson - <a href="data:text/html;charset=utf-8;base64,PG1ldGEgaHR0cC1lcXVpdj0icmVmcmVzaCIgY29udGVudD0iMDsgdXJsPWh0dHA6Ly90b255b3J0ZWdhLm9yZy8yMDE0LzA3LzE2L2NhbWlsbGEtYW5kZXJzc29uLWdvZXMtcHVibGljLWFmdGVyLTI5LXllYXJzLWluLXNjaWVudG9sb2d5cy1pbm5lci1lbGl0ZS8iPg%3D%3D">husband disconnected</a>

Workaround #3: all Underground Bunker links are to their Waybacked version until the glitch on Tony's site is fixed, after which this edit will be undone.

O well. In May that didn't have much impact. So I tried myself now.

Waiting for a big deafening silence... / Inb4 big list of additions.

Wow. You got thru all the 'S's and I'm not there. Order to self - speak up more about the disconnection I've lived with since end July 2013 when my Son #2 and Daughter #3 chose to phone and disconnect from me. I only have clues that they were 'forced' into this by the church. I was not shown the 'evidence' of my SP acts the church claims but I'm quite sure they were both ordered to the church to review the 'evidence' then told to chose between their father Jack Kruchko who is Sea Org Lt Jg - last known as Chief Engineer PAC and minion for DMs new buildings research and discovery agenda WUS. Cecilia (Cece) M (Kruchko) Smith and a bunch of other old names

Hey Cece, you're already on at K.

#304 Caroline Letkeman - http://www.forum.exscn.net/showthre...ction-Policy&p=1112181&viewfull=1#post1112181 Daughter Ann was ordered to disconnect from in 2001, and all her Scientology friends and associates disconnected.

From another thread I posted.

Russia TV 5 Investigation of Scientology.

The date of the report is July 17, 2016. Use Google translation. There is also video at the link.

http://www.5-tv.ru/glavnoe/broadcasts/509185/506/

The following short Google translated excerpt indicates that the Church of Scientology has exported true, on-Source KSW Scientology to Russia. The "here it is" refers to a letter being shown on the video.

* * * * * BEGIN EXCERPT * * * * *

For example, Sergey Voldaev long time he spent with his mother in the church, decided one day to get out of it. He wrote a letter, here it is - the man says that his life the last few years has been a nightmare. Mother wrote in response to a denunciation son. And today she wants nothing to hear about his son. Dasas again at work. With the "raw material" - the so-called people who are in the process of treatment - it turns out. With "hot files" - those parishioners who at least once, but bought Scientology services - she is doing, on the contrary, not very. Head, of course, not happy, and so he sends it to the next training. Michael Kozin - the oldest and Honored Worker Church - explains how to behave with difficult clients. In this case, by any means necessary to persuade the person to come to the organization and buy service.

* * * * * END EXCERPT * * * * *

Thank you Trev. I haven't learned to navigate these pages quite yet. I did see it on the wiki list but couldn't figure out how to get back here. A big thanks to all you working on this list. I have plans and this is exactly the list I needed. Names of the persons that disconnected helps but just 'sister' etc works. Now to get me a couple megaphones and a cam (for protection)

You're welcome!

In the sources we link to names are not always added. Should you want to go out protesting orgs or something then please be sure not to go at it alone.

#305 Sergey Voldaev - http://www.5-tv.ru/glavnoe/broadcasts/509185/506/ mother disconnected

Or maybe us the above post by C I/C: https://whyweprotest.net/goto/post?id=2591129#post-2591129

Someone added Aharon Friedman without providing a name. Please add

#306 Aharon Friedman - https://backincomm.wordpress.com/2014/12/09/exclusive-dror-center-vs-rcs-national-tv-coverage/ In the video at about 12:00 Son disconnected.

Ofra, his wife, was also added, but she isn't featured in the documentary. I say we add her anyway?

#307 Ofra Friedman - https://backincomm.wordpress.com/2014/12/09/exclusive-dror-center-vs-rcs-national-tv-coverage/ In the video at about 12:00 Son disconnected.

Ann Catherine Keirns was also added while not providing links, please undo this. I could not find proof.

Please add for Nan Herst Bowers (already on) that all three of her sons (Brad, Todd and Ryan Kugler) disconnected, and that she also doesn't see her grandchildren (7).

Got this from her by PM.

It would help if we add AKA Nan Kugler, her name while in. Will also post in big list thread.

Damn cult.

She's also duplicated under S as Cece (Kruchko) Smith. Removing that entry takes us back to 306.

I like backpeddlin'!

Trev, I sent you this message on FB yesterday. Here it is now. Let me know how to copy links to send you.
'Richard Royce posted on FB 8hrs ago. Check my wall with his short story. I don't see him on your new list ~ didn't check the other. I would send you a link but don't know how.'
This is to his FB page: https://www.facebook.com/richard.royce.75 but not sure if the posts are public.
[I may have posted this to the wrong string earlier]

• Andy Nolch - HCO told his friends on facebook to disconnect

#307 Andy Nolch - HCO told his friends on facebook to disconnect

Thanks. I've had serious internet problems at home so I wasn't able to answer your PM.

Richard's story on FB is open for everyone with a FB account to see. However, as FB is only available using a login, we copy a screenshot here.

(Also, please don't use square brackets when posting, they have a specific meaning on most of the forum software, like the one WWP uses. I learnt the hard way... )

https://www.facebook.com/richard.royce.75/posts/10209550854663436?pnref=story

#308 Richard Royce - https://whyweprotest.net/goto/post?id=2591699#post-2591699 Two sons disconnected, one committed suicide.

Media: http://tonyortega.org/2016/09/09/sc...icy-gets-sacrificed-on-the-burning-man-altar/

I would like to print some of these posters. Please let me know how to get a good copy. Thanks to all for their work on this.
MOD EDIT EMAIL DELETED
or Cece Marie Gangle Smith on FB or here.

MOD EDIT- NO EMAILS

#309 Elizabeth Gale

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/letting-go-out-from-under-the-radar/

Decided to cut ties from her Scientologist mom because the threat of disconnection became exhausting.

Feel free to use a better description.

Inb4 COS screams she's mean

#310 Paul Haggis - https://www.bustle.com/articles/725...from-2009-says-a-lot-and-you-didnt-see-all-of His wife was ordered to disconnect

Or

http://tonyortega.org/2016/10/24/ka...l-haggis-on-behalf-of-scientology-dies-at-60/ Sister disconnected

So... I guess Mariah Carey is now a victim of disconnection...?

http://www.tmz.com/2016/10/31/mariah-carey-james-packer-breakup-settlement-home-tommy-davis/

Today, Tony Ortega published two articles mentioning Kelly Jordan, Shelley Duvall, and Vivian Kubrick.

http://tonyortega.org/2016/11/18/se...ology-mission-kelly-jordan-tells-us-her-tale/

AFAICT there is no disconnection angle there...?

Vivian Kubrick did disconnect from her sisters.

How Liz Gale came to disconnect from her own mother, Scientology style

By Tony Ortega, November 28, 2016

http://tonyortega.org/2016/11/28/ho...onnect-from-her-own-mother-scientology-style/

Search keywords: Marie Gale, Philip Gale, Jere Matlock, Mike Rinder

#311 John Brownlee - http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-dead-agents-itself-2/#comment-152814 Sister disconnected

#312 Dennis Smith - http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-the-aftermath-episode-2/#comment-153242 Has not spoken to 3 sisters and families since 2013

Disconnection, neglect, and suicide: Scientology, it’s even worse than you think

By Tony Ortega, December 9, 2016

Quote:

We first heard from Marie Bilheimer more than a year ago. Like so many other former members of the Church of Scientology, she wanted to communicate with us even though she wasn’t ready to go public with her story.

We understood. Marie’s is one of the more disturbing tales that we’ve heard, and we told her we’d be here when she decided she wanted our readers to hear what she’d been through.

We’re hearing from a lot of people now that Leah Remini is changing the public understanding of Scientology in a big way with her A&E series, Scientology and the Aftermath. And one of the people we heard from was Marie. Emboldened by Leah’s show, she’s decided it’s time to come forward.

And we’ll just say, you should brace yourself.

Continued at http://tonyortega.org/2016/12/09/di...de-scientology-its-even-worse-than-you-think/

#313 Nichola Kyle-Carroll, aka Nicholas Caroll - http://tonyortega.org/2016/12/09/di...de-scientology-its-even-worse-than-you-think/ Mother disconnected

#314 Marie Bilheimer - same

#315 Sarah Symcox - same

Tony's note in that story: "(We found only one reference to Aaron’s death online at all, in a website that collects the many cases of Scientology suicide. But it put his suicide in the “Holiday Inn” and in 2003.)" is referring to a page on the same wikia the disconnection list is maintained on.

I've corrected his entry now.

I guess my English fails me.

Christiane Kubrick, wife of Stanley, tells about losing her daughter to scientology https://www.theguardian.com/film/2010/aug/18/stanley-kubrick-christiane

But Viviane is already on? Should she be the sister?

From what I get Virginia is the one who got in and disconnected.

#316 Michelle Sterling AKA Michelle Ryan - http://natterblog.com/why-ex-scientologists-flip-flop/#more-1163 Every single person she knew disconnected from her

#317 David Kahn - Appeared on Leah Remini Scientology, The Aftermath Docu-series Son disconnected

#318 Andrew James - http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-aftermath-special-aftermath/#comment-155072 Lost his best friend

He never says this is due to disconnection. If his friend just joined the Sea Org that'd be enough for Andrew to "never see him again".

Good point. Roll back to 317...

#318 John Burtis - http://www.mikerindersblog.org/the-ias-hard-at-work/#comment-156063 Lost friends and acquintances

There's that word "lost" again, which doesn't automatically mean he was disconnected from. As a never in, unless we find his name on the declared enemies list from 1991 he has to at least mention he was declared an SP for us to consider those "lost" to him have actually disconnected and not just become staff/Sea Org and moved into berthing or away from him closer to work those slave-like hours.

Damn. The finer details of the English language keep haunting me.

Good that you check though.

Hey, what if I find and present evidence of a disconnection case in Dutch?!

New try

#318 - Cooper J. Kessel - http://www.mikerindersblog.org/scientology-aftermath-episode-5-aftermath/#comment-156380 Hasn't seen his daughter in years

Cooper posts as Newcomer over on Mike's. As he tells he's declared I think it's fair to say she disconnected, or had to.

^ also, in his post the quote below stands out

Robyn Capella - Facebook friends and former partner disconnected

Yay! ^

#319

Yes, I'm lazy

#320 Shelly Britt - aka Shelly Corrias - http://www.tampabay.com/specials/2009/reports/project/corrias.shtml The "church" tried to coerce her to divorce her husband, forcing her to choose between her job at RTC and her husband

Shelly is also on the big list so please include the broken heart there.

Oh dear, this isn't disconnection, it's a stupid rule Miscavige had that people in RTC couldn't stay married to people not in RTC, and her husband hadn't left Scientology, he was in the RPF at the time. Insane conditions? Yes. Disconnection policy? No.

Rollback it is.

Just checked to see if he was on. But...no.

#320 Aaron Smith-Levin - http://tonyortega.org/2017/01/03/to...ow-families-get-so-screwed-up-in-scientology/ Disconnected from twin brother.

Please think of the broken heart on his entry in the big list yada yada....

Also: ordered to disconnect from his father before being allowed to marry

I'll use a link to the episode which covers both details.

• Serge Gil - family and friends disconnected

^ #321

Possible alternative for Warren Young's entry

http://www.tomydaughters.net/

• Heiner von Rönn - son disconnected

(turn on subtitles)

^#322 (I could understand it without the subtitles though )

• Brandon Reisdorf - brother Craig disconnected

^ #323

Lois Reisdorf The Aftermath

By Mike Rinder, January 12, 2017

Quote:

This is the story of the last 4-5 years of the subtle coercion and lengths the church will go to, to enforce disconnection of families and friends. I will say it felt like mental torture and being put in a situation of making a Sophie’s Choice between your children. I will also liken it to the term “gaslighting” which perfectly explains how I felt during this time period. (Gaslighting is a form of mental abuse in which information is twisted or spun, selectively omitted to favor the abuser, or false information is presented with the intent of making victims doubt their own memory, perception, and sanity).

It also shows that the church absolutely lies that disconnection is not enforced. This was reinforced by the lawyer Monique Yingling, a spokesperson for the church who was on the 20/20 episode which just aired on ABC last Friday night – she stated that a person is ONLY declared if they speak out against the church. This is an ABSOLUTE LIE. My story will show you that it is a lie.

Continued at http://www.mikerindersblog.org/lois-reisdorf-the-aftermath/

Richard Dineen, OT VI, Auditor 185, donation and comment at gofundme for Disconnection Billboard

https://www.gofundme.com/stopscientologydisconnection

(I've been meaning to post this link in this thread. Donate!)

There are some names from the first Disconnection Billboard campaign.

https://www.gofundme.com/reconnectingfamily





Nancy Milner - mother of Aaron Helgeson, mother-in-law of Jennifer Zipfel Helgeson
(#325?)





Although Caroline Haines made this comment, I would suggest that
Dr. Mark Haffenreffer, Hartford's father, might be listed instead, since I'm not sure if Haines is related.
(#326?)

Hartford Haffenreffer, IAS Patron, brother of Anne Haffenreffer (deceased), son of Nona Gainsforth Haffenreffer (deceased) and Dr. Mark Haffenreffer. Obituaries for Hartford's and Mark's family members both include Mark's name, and identify Hartford as a son and brother to his parents and sister. Sister was afflicted by Rett Syndrome, a severe neurological disorder (possible source of conflict with MD father?) Comment by Caroline Haines attests that Hartford's father is disconnected from his son.

I am less confident about these folks, but they also donated & commented on the campaign for the first Disconnection Billboard
https://www.gofundme.com/reconnectingfamily
(Old campaign - be sure to donate at the new one if you want to help this effort)

I thought I'd give the screenshots for the questionable comments and Trev can decide whether any of them are worth pursuing any further.

H Pavels - not a full name, not apparent that disconnection actually occurred, aunt/uncle not named


Hania Mrkos - misses unnamed daughter


Kelli B - lost sister to cos, no full names


Lisa Tighe - says she misses Natalie Weber, who does not appear on the Services Completions website. Relationship unclear.




Shannon Caldwell - statement implies she is disconnected; name not given.



Jane Jones - parents unnamed, unclear that disconnection occurred.

#324 Richard Dineen - https://whyweprotest.net/goto/post?id=2600746#post-2600746 Never met his 2 grandchilds
Please also change entry on the big list.

I guess the question is, if giving to the billboard campaign qualifies as saying the loss of a loved one was because of disconnection.

I say yes.

#325 Nancy Milner - https://whyweprotest.net/goto/post?id=2600779#post-2600779 Lost son and his wife. Has never seen her grandchild.
Also entry big list

I don't doubt Haffenreffer was in (though that is not a criterium for being on the list) but he doesn't speak out himself.

H Pavels indeed not a full name.

#326 Hania Mrkos - https://whyweprotest.net/goto/post?id=2600783#post-2600783 Misses his daughter
Also entry big list

Kelli B No full name

#327 Lisa Tighe - https://whyweprotest.net/goto/post?id=2600783#post-2600783 Lost contact with Natalie Weber
Also entry big list

Shannon Caldwell too much of a stretch for me as it doesn't say who she lost contact with.

#328 Jane Jones - https://whyweprotest.net/goto/post?id=2600783#post-2600783 Lost parents

Thanks ornery!

Just to be clear, Hartford Haffenreffer is the son, who is in Scientology.

Dr. Mark Haffenreffer is the father.

I think the son in Scientology disconnected from the father, making the father the victim of the disconnection.

If the criterion for being added is that the victim needs to speak out himself/herself, then I agree that Dr. Mark Haffenreffer should not be added. I hope the father speaks out, because the research I did for that one was compelling, and sad.

Also found at https://www.gofundme.com/reconnectingfamily



Jenny Ellsworth - asks mother to call and donated to Disconnection billboard.

• Mark Tordai - friends disconnected

^#329

Sorry for being late on this one.

#330

from the Bunker:
Have you seen these women?
A Hungarian ex-Scientologist is looking for his adopted daughters. They both joined the Sea Org around 10 to 12 years ago, while he was still in the Church. He lost contact with them 2 to 3 years ago when he was declared.
Names and latest known locations:
Júlia Bertók – CMO IXU (International Extension Unit), Los Angeles
Éva Bertók – CMO Europe, Copenhagen, Denmark
If you have any information about them, please drop us a line. (Our email address is listed at the bottom of every story here at the Bunker.)

and her sister. A twin I think? IDK.
Didn't she try to do a wellness check on her at Gold Base year ago?
Or do you already have her sister listed?

In 2014, Júlia Bertók and Eva Bertók were posted in OPS in CMO Bureau 7 of CLO Copenhagen.

https://www.scribd.com/doc/291701078/Scientology-Leak-Personal-Sea-Org-CLO-Kopenhagen

Is "Mr." some sort of title?
In the wog-world its typically short for "Mister" but quite a few of these "Mr."s seem to be Misses or Mistresses.

In the Sea Org an officer is referred to as "Mr." (pronounced "mister") even if the officer is female.

thx.

So the non-Mr.s here would be non-officer sea orgers? Or non-sea orgers?

Non-officer Sea Orgers. Everyone on staff at at CLO is a Sea Orger.

Gotcha.

From Tony Ortega -

Scientology disconnection, a reminder
Bernie Headley has not seen his daughter Stephanie in 4,654 days.
Claudio and Renata Lugli have not seen their son Flavio in 2,251 days
Lori Hodgson has not seen her son Jeremy in 1,003 days.
Joe Reaiche has not seen his daughter Alanna Masterson in 4,588 days
Derek Bloch has not seen his father Darren in 1,758 days.
Cindy Plahuta has not seen her daughter Kara in 2,078 days.
Claire Headley has not seen her mother Gen in 2,053 days.
Ramana Dienes-Browning has not seen her mother Jancis in 409 days.
Mike Rinder has not seen his son Benjamin in 4,711 days.
Brian Sheen has not seen his daughter Spring in 818 days.
Mary Kahn has not seen her son Sammy in 1,093 days.
Phil and Willie Jones have not seen their son Mike in 1,179 days.
Mary Jane Sterne has not seen her daughter Samantha in 1,423 days..
Kate Bornstein has not seen her daughter Jessica in 12,532 days.

So incredibly absurd and very sad, Hubbard's Scientology ripping families apart by policy and design....................

derp

I have not seen LRH in*11,337 days.

*(at least)

#331 Mark Plummer - http://tonyortega.org/2017/02/09/we...scientologys-holiest-celebration-of-the-year/ was disconnected from his granddaughter for over 22 years

• John Finucane - was told to disconnect from his wife

#332 ^

Lucy James, two sisters (minute 9)

• Andrea Gianetti Russo - was made to write a disconnection letter to her deceased mother, later her father Bill and stepmother Judy Nagengast disconnected

#333 ^^ and #334 ^

Thanks guys!

• Paul McDaniel - family members and Bohdi and Jenna Elfman disconnected
• Quailynn McDaniel - brother Sean and sister Azurelynn and Bohdi and Jenna Elfman disconnected

^#335 and #336

I'm lazy. Deal with it.

• Kathy McBride - two friends disconnected

^ #337

• Tim Swanson - daughter disconnected

^#338

Looks like right now you're the only one hunting Incred.

#339

Steven Mango - Lost his clients

David Drader - friends disconnected

^

#340

This thread needs more TrevA....


wait.

• Jeff Carlson - ex-wife disconnected

#341 ^

You're a real soldier, Incred.

But it's soooooooo easy when daddy just drops the prey right in our laps.

• Janette Banks - friends disconnected

#342 ^

#343 Liana Hathaway - http://www.scientology-cult.com/mechanisms-of-miscavige.html#comment-161 Was disconnected from

Link doesn't tell who disconnected from her. Also https://whyweprotest.net/threads/he...g-for-the-big-list.117984/page-3#post-2582837

Jim Logan (also on big list) tells here

http://www.mikerindersblog.org/marty-rathbuns-meltdown/#comment-178959

his disconnection story was on the Tampa Bay Times Truth rundown report, but I can't seem to find it.

One of the Milestone 2 guys BTW

• Kay Milasinovich Rowe - hundreds of friends disconnected

#344 ^

Question.

Say, a father and his daughter (who is married with kids) are ALL OUT of the cult.

However, the mind control is still deep, and they still believe in the tech and all that. The daughter tells her father that he cannot see his grandchildren unless he does some crazy scientology steps like A-E or whatever.

Would the father be a victim of disconnection and qualify for the list?

I tend to think that it is a family dispute like there are so many others where people don't see each other because of some stupid rule (religious or not). However heartbreaking the situation may be.

But I may be wrong. The case also shows how deep the mind control can get. It may also give the COS an opportunity to say "see, people choose to disconnect themselves, we told you so".

#345

Ginny Flahive - http://www.mikerindersblog.org/valley-otc-minutes-seconds/#comment-182758 Husband divorced her because he "couldn't be married to a non-Scientologist"

Not sure if it qualifies as a disconnection case, but I tend to think it does. His ex-wife keeps his son from him.

#346

Ash Dutton - Scientology stole his son

https://www.gofundme.com/scientology-stole-my-son (click on updates to see his name)

better link for carol nyburg, already on

daughter disconnected
http://tonyortega.org/2017/08/02/ca...s-a-scientology-story-that-will-rough-you-up/

#347

Theresa Laster Vivanco - son disconnected

http://tonyortega.org/2017/08/02/ca...ry-that-will-rough-you-up/#comment-3448961629

This post https://whyweprotest.net/goto/post?id=2613828#post-2613828

Theresa is also on the big list

#348 Claire Adams - Lost her parents and brother

You mean Clarissa?

Oops

#349 - Nathan Rich - http://nathanrich.online/about-nathan/ Lost his whole family because of Scientology

Plox to correct spelling, David Kahn, not Khan.

• Ethan Adams - mother disconnected

#350 ^

#351 - Simi Valley (also on big list) - https://markrathbun.blog/2012/07/29/simi-valley/ Church management broke off her engagement

Sorry that's manipulation of two Sea Org staff just "because they can" which is an abuse of power, especially moving one to another country, but since both remained in, it's not an example of the disconnection policy in action as it's written in that post; no mention is made of which one disconnected from the other, or whether both were made to write each other disconnection letters.

• April Snow - father and hundreds of friends disconnected

#351 ^

• Karry Campbell - mother, step-father, step-brother, step-sister, brother-in-law, four nieces and nepthews disconnected
• Scott Campbell - in-laws disconnected

^ #352 and #353

• Trisha Conley - parents Jim and Kaye disconnected

#354 ^